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John 6:44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Has God revealed to you "to do the Sabbath day?
Numbers 15:28And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the Lord, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.
Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
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Laodicea
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Fishbait
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I will never meet all of God's will. I do know that I have accepted Jesus Christ as my saviour and try as best as I can to be like Him. I fail everyday in my efforts. Who here has never failed?
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jahsoul
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Laodicea
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For those wanting to argue with what I said this is what I responded to. Brad C is trying to use only part of the Bible to prove the sabbath does not have to be kept. This subject is about the sabbath not sacrificial laws. Any wishing to continue means you would prefer not to use the OT.
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danschance
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I am still struggling with which heathen gods Claudia T claims Christians are worshiping and how they worship them by not worshiping on Sabbath?
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Laodicea
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Nope the laws were in effect even at creation, ask Cain why God asked about his murdered brother and Sabbath was instituted as a memorial celebration day at the end of creation week. Laws were given by word of mouth. God walked and talked with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Of course they only had one thing not to do before the fall and that was spoken by God do not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Just as I would tell my daughter what I expected out of her by the rules of the house after the fall I'm sure He let them know what was expected. Again the questioning of Cain - and Cain knew he was doing wrong before he did it. In the wrong sacrifice and the murder.
John, the writer of Revelation said the commandments of God were to love God and love one another, his Lord taught him that. The Ten Commandments were written by the hand of God, they are the only things God wrote with his own hand, certainly we do not willfully disobey his commandments and expect forgiveness.
This teaching that we as christians must observe the jewish sabbath is simply not scriptural. Jesus Christ is our sabbath rest, since the days of the apostles christians met on the first day of the week for corporate worship, sunday has been the sabbath day of rest for 99.9% of christendom for 2,000 years.
To condemn anyone is a sin, but to condemn 99.9% of christendom for not following jewish tradition is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit that has filled and led believers for 2,000 years.
This teaching that we as christians must observe the jewish sabbath is simply not scriptural. Jesus Christ is our sabbath rest, since the days of the apostles christians met on the first day of the week for corporate worship, sunday has been the sabbath day of rest for 99.9% of christendom for 2,000 years.
To condemn anyone is a sin, but to condemn 99.9% of christendom for not following jewish tradition is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit that has filled and led believers for 2,000 years.
I'm just going to keep posting this until one of you can tell me you are keeping the Sabbath!
Then there's the rest of the laws concerning the Sabbath (seventh) day:
1. No work done at all (Ex. 20: 10; Lev. 23: 3; Jer. 17:21-22). No watering the lawn, no working in the yard, no hobbies, no surfing, no fixing flat tires, etc. By law if a person did not stop all types of activity in honor of the Sabbath, he was breaking the law. In Numbers 15:32-36 a man was caught collecting sticks on the Sabbath, and he was stoned to death.
2 No kindling of a fire (Ex. 35:3). No fellowship cookouts or barbecues. You can't go into a restaurant and get a hamburger that's been flame broiled, you can't cook eggs, or pancakes in the morning because you'd be kindling a fire for cooking. To drive a car would be to "kindle a fire" In the combustion chamber of your engine.
3. No traveling at all (Ex. 16:29). Later the Jews added to this law, allowing only a half mile of travel on the Sabbath which we see observed in the NT. But the pure law says "stay at home." Actually, If you kept this part of the law, you could not travel to your church gathering unless it was less than one-quarter mile away from home. If you had an emergency you could not drive to the hospital.
4. No trading (Amos 8:5). If you happened to need gas to get to church service, you could not "trade" money for gasoline. You would not be allowed to buy a cassette tape of that morning's message or a book at the store. There is to be No exchanging of money for goods. If you worked with stocks and you needed to sell you couldn’t.
5. No marketing (Neh. 10:31; 13:15,19). Make sure you do no shopping whatsoever. You can't buy any ice cream for dessert after dinner or anything else. If you run out of food or drink at home you can’t go out to purchase any, you can’t even by a stick of gum.
6. A holy assembly with double the daily offering along with the other offerings. In other words, you are to give twice as much on the Sabbath (Num. 28:9).Do we practiced this today In compliance with Old Testament law. Do Sabbatarian's really practice the law? I have yet to see people go to Shabbat and give twice as much each week.
7. New showbread In the holy place (Lev. 24:8). Of course this cannot be done today since there is no temple, so this part of the Sabbath cannot be followed by the church. The fact Is the Sabbath was not made for the gentiles, but for the Jews and their generations (Ex. 31:12-17). It's a law given between God and the Jews.
8.The last part of the requirements for keeping the Sabbath day law Is the penalty for breaking It. DEATH
So, which of you are keeping the Shabbat of the 10 commandments?
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J-Kay-2
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Reading from beginning noticing Claudia T came in with a very over bearing
tone, I was really turned off. LONG posts.. I checked out a couple of things
she gave.... I kept feeling in my spirit, this is I believe Seven Day Adventist ???
Okay, I don't care what she is. But I do see a pattern of some odd "I have your
back" people. Maybe I just never met them before.. ... So I go on reading.....
I am thinking this is against the rules of CC isn't it ? Am I wrong in thinking
she is trying to take away a Christian group from Christian Chat, or is she
taking over Christian Chat, because that is what I feel.
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tone, I was really turned off. LONG posts.. I checked out a couple of things
she gave.... I kept feeling in my spirit, this is I believe Seven Day Adventist ???
Okay, I don't care what she is. But I do see a pattern of some odd "I have your
back" people. Maybe I just never met them before.. ... So I go on reading.....
I am thinking this is against the rules of CC isn't it ? Am I wrong in thinking
she is trying to take away a Christian group from Christian Chat, or is she
taking over Christian Chat, because that is what I feel.
Read rules :
Rules for Chat Rooms and Forums
Here are our chat room and forum rules. Most of these "rules" are simply common sense and proper Christian conduct, but for reference here they are.
2. No conduct that is offensive or counterproductive to fellowship.
We like to welcome all to Christian Chat, but if anyone is not here for fellowship (or for wanting to know about Christianity), but simply for disrupting fellowship, offending people, whatever, then that person is not welcome.
3. No flooding.
Please don't flood the whole chat screen with your messages.
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danschance
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If Christians who attend Church on Sunday are worshiping the sun god Baal, then would those who worship on Saturday or "Saturnalia" be worshiping the pagan god Saturn? I would never claim that.