MODERN CHRISTIANS WORSHIPPING THEIR HEATHEN GODS--by tossing out the 7th Day Sabbath

[jahsoul]

Showing texts is not the problem, you believing it is. Can you show me a text that says God's people in Genesis did not keep the sabbath?
Genesis 26:5 KJV
(5) Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

In other word, there is none?

And I'm not here convincing people that they shouldn't observe the Sabbath so me providing scripture that does not exist (because the 7th day is only mentioned when God rested) wouldn't amount to much.

But I asked you because you said that the 10 commandments were in Genesis. I've read Genesis a few time and never read where God commanded anyone to observe the Sabbath. I mean as much as was said about the observance of the Sabbath after Exodus, there is nothing before Moses stated it to the Children of Israel.

 

[Stephen63]

Hebrews 7:12 (NASB) [SUP]12 [/SUP]For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also.
Hebrews 7:12 (NLT) [SUP]12 [/SUP]And if the priesthood is changed, the law must also be changed to permit it.

Jesus is a high priest after the order of Melchisedec, NOT Aaron or the tribe of Levi! We are no longer under the law of Moses. We are now under the law of Christ.

Hebrews 5:6 (KJV) [SUP]6 [/SUP]As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

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Hebrews 5:10 (KJV) [SUP]10 [/SUP]Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

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Hebrews 6:20 (KJV) [SUP]20 [/SUP]Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

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Hebrews 7:11 (KJV) [SUP]11 [/SUP]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

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Hebrews 7:15 (KJV) [SUP]15 [/SUP]And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

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Hebrews 7:17 (KJV) [SUP]17 [/SUP]For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

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Hebrews 7:21 (KJV) [SUP]21 [/SUP](For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

 

[danschance]

Hebrews 7:12 (NASB) [SUP]12 [/SUP]For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also.
Hebrews 7:12 (NLT) [SUP]12 [/SUP]And if the priesthood is changed, the law must also be changed to permit it.

Jesus is a high priest after the order of Melchisedec, NOT Aaron or the tribe of Levi! We are no longer under the law of Moses. We are now under the law of Christ.

Hebrews 5:6 (KJV) [SUP]6 [/SUP]As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

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Hebrews 5:10 (KJV) [SUP]10 [/SUP]Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

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Hebrews 6:20 (KJV) [SUP]20 [/SUP]Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

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Hebrews 7:11 (KJV) [SUP]11 [/SUP]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

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Hebrews 7:15 (KJV) [SUP]15 [/SUP]And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

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Hebrews 7:17 (KJV) [SUP]17 [/SUP]For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

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Hebrews 7:21 (KJV) [SUP]21 [/SUP](For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

Interesting... I never thought of that!

 

[Stephen63]

Something even more interesting........... All of the law has changed, including the 10 commandments! Don't believe me?

What was the judgement most given to the "law breakers"? Stoning! Nowhere in the NT is stoning or any judgement of death approved by Jesus , nor the Apostles....... this was changed. In the OT, if you didn't stone them, you yourselves were guilty to be stoned as well!

 

[RedTent]

I am still struggling with which heathen gods Claudia T claims Christians are worshiping and how they worship them by not worshiping on Sabbath?

Perhaps because one of the main reasons that the day was changed was that it was done by ex pagans who were used to worshipping pagan idols on Sunday. They used the excuse that it was discovered that Christ rose on the day of the Sun so we should worship that day. They were excellent at Christianizing pagan holidays, just changing the Gods they worshipped.

 

[RedTent]

Something even more interesting........... All of the law has changed, including the 10 commandments! Don't believe me?

What was the judgement most given to the "law breakers"? Stoning! Nowhere in the NT is stoning or any judgement of death approved by Jesus , nor the Apostles....... this was changed. In the OT, if you didn't stone them, you yourselves were guilty to be stoned as well!

You have a LOT to learn about scripture if it was written in the Old Testament. Also about reading scripture in the context of the way the world was for the people used as an example to teach about God. Also, about trusting and loving the Father who created you and wants the very best of everything for you.

This scripture was given to people who were going to make a home for themselves among people so unjust and corrupt that it seemed right to them to murder babies to feed idols. They were told how to make a world for themselves that was filled with caring and love in the midst of this. Certain things, they were told, were so important for them to do that if anyone insisted they would not live that way it was better they were stoned, but there were so many rules surrounding this sentence that it was seldom carried out. We have prisons, they didn't.

In our society, we have broken the moral rules. There is no stoning for this in our time, but we are now living in a society with no security of family as a result. Have you looked around your neighborhood to see the grief this has brought about? You read of how the children act out their lives as a result. And you are not aware of the spiritual realm and how this has affected it.

 

[Apostol2013]

MODERN CHRISTIANS WORSHIPPING THEIR HEATHEN GODS
--by tossing out the 7th Day Sabbath

...or, Why dont they get it, that God, who commanded them to rest every 7th Day from all work and worldly pursuits, wants to have an actual RELATIONSHIP with His people?

Those who accuse people that believe in keeping the 7th day Sabbath of being 'legalistic' are the ones who are TRULY legalistic, but they dont realize that.

The reason I say that they are legalistic?

The secret is that they view GOD HIMSELF of the Old Testament as being LEGALISTIC in giving us the Sabbath in the first place and requiring us to keep the 7th day Holy, and so they want to be RID OF IT.

THEN they view JESUS as 'the nice, loving, gentle, forgiving one' who came along and BROKE the Sabbath, and gave everyone some sort of a NEW LAW.. "just love everyone".

They dont have the SLIGHTEST CLUE of the real actual facts, which are these:

Jesus came here to earth to 'show us the Father' which was what He said in His oworks of the Law rds. The JEWS were legalistic in how they kept the Sabbath God never intended on it being kept that way.

When JESUS came along, He showed HOW to really keep the Sabbath as God intended it to be kept in the first place.

Thats why He said "I did NOT come to destroy the Law, but to fulfill it". That is ALSO why when the Jews accused Him of BREAKING the Sabbath, that He said it is LAWFUL to pull your ox out of a ditch and it is LAWFUL to help someone on the Sabbath, etc. He was not advocating breaking the 7th Day Sabbath AT ALL. He was just teaching and showing everyone the proper way to keep it.

The Jews had a LEGALISTIC VIEW of God, and they acted it out in how they kept the Law and the Sabbath. Jesus came to clear away all of these misconceptions.

BUT modern 'Christians' today as a whole, are JUST LIKE THE JEWS, the only difference is that they try to do away with the Law AND the 7th Day Sabbath all in one swipe, claiming they LOVE GOD by doing it.

BOTH THINGS are outward 'holiness' with inward corruption, and BOTH THINGS are just trying to cling to sin (transgression of the Law).

And BOTH THINGS are at the root, caused by a LEGALISTIC VIEW of God.

The TRUE SABBATH-KEEPING has to do with realizing that God's people were to be singled out from amongst the heathen by keeping the Law, love God and love your neighbor, as demonstrated and expanded upon in all 10 commandments.... and that this was supposed to show the surrounding Nations, the Heathen, what God and His Government were really like, and thus they too would want to serve Him.

Dont you comprehend this? If one is truly BORN AGAIN, then God is their FATHER and what loving Son or Daughter would not realize that the rules their Father makes is for their own good, and then want to obey Him out of love and respect?

That is exactly what ATONEMENT means. At-One-Ment, or being at one with God. Romans says the carnal wicked mind is at enmity or is an ENEMY with God and with His Law. But the Spiritual mind is AT ONE with God. If you are AT ONE with God then you will also be AT ONE with His Law, His Government!That is what Jesus' sacrifice was all about, to put us back at ONE with God. Not just some sort of a sacrifice to appease an angry legalistic God! Dont you get it?

Rom:7:14: For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Rom:8:6: For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Rom:8:7: Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Stop trying to get rid of the spiritual LAW of God and get rid of SIN instead! In the olden days the wicked wanted to nail JESUS to the cross, because His perfect life, that ONE that perfectly kept the Law of God, was a REBUKE to their own sinful lives. So they killed Jesus.

Nowadays? The seek to nail HIS LAW to the Cross, instead. Crucify SELF! Not Jesus and/or the Law!The Law is what points out your sins. Stop trying to get rid of it, deceiving yourself that you are alright!
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Part 2

Im into REST while they claim Im into WORKS.

TRUE SABBATH-KEEPING has to do with the fact that we realize it is God who did all the works from the foundation of the World then rested, and we too are to rest in HIM. Also it is a Sign that it is He that sanctifies us, and not we ourselves. It is SIGN that we realize we must be HOLY as He is HOLY and that we must allow God to purify us from sin. not save us IN sin. We must be sanctified and we must allow God to sanctify us and make us holy, and cooperate with the Holy Spirit fully in accomplishing this.

And TRUE SABBATH-KEEPING has to do with the fact that we, as God's people, are UNLIKE THE HEATHEN in that we dont worship gods of stone, and nature itself like they did with the Baal-god. We instead worship the TRUE AND LIVING GOD, Creator of Heaven and Earth, THUS God wants to have a RELATIONSHIP with Him... every 7th Day we STOP all we are doing in a worldly sense, and actually spend the day with GOD.... because we love Him, and we have a RELATIONSHIP with Him.

But most of the Christian World, are just like the HEATHEN in that they just toss their 'God' a sacrifice, to appease Him (in this case, Jesus dying for them on the Cross) and then they go "Whew! Im so glad that ANGRY GOD isnt angry with me anymore!" ...then they go on their way, SINNING and continuing to transgress God's Law, demonstrating that they do not KNOW GOD and His ways AT ALL, if the did, then they would LOVE His ways, His Government, His Law... and gladly obey Him.

Just like the Heathen! Just like the Pharisees!

But they CANNOT SEE THAT!

If you get to where you understand all of what I just said to you, then you will truly understand the ROOT of their problem.
They are NOT worshipping the true and LIVING GOD at all. That is why on that day, Jesus will say "Depart from Me, I dont even KNOW YOU! ye that work LAWLESSNESS".

"He that saith he knows God yet keepeth not His commandments is a LIAR and the TRUTH is not in him".

Its all just THAT SIMPLE, they really dont WANT a true, living RELATIONSHIP with God. They want to toss God a SACRIFICE like the Heathen did with their false gods. Pacify the ANGRY GOD.

Thats why it is also just OKAY with them that their 'God' tortures people forever and ever and ever in Hell. That was the PAGAN FALSE GOD. They ALSO got that false doctrine from the Roman Catholic Church.

You see, its like this for them, "God is angry, but Jesus sacrificed Himself for your sins. Jesus loves you, please accept His sacrifice! ...but if you DONT then you will have to face this ANGRY VENGEFUL GOD who is going to torture you forever and ever and ever in Hell!" "No need to stop sinning, just toss God the sacrifice and He shall be APPEASED!"

Seriously, its nothing more than PAGANISM in a NEW PACKAGE!

Heaven will have no sin. You arent going to have to worry about your neighbor stealing your stuff, or killing you, or anything like that. Everyone there will have proper RESPECT for God's Law. Because simply put... God has allowed this demonstration of Satan's ways here on earth so that people could see how it would BE without God's Law. There wont be any rebellion in Heaven, it would NOT be Heaven if there were. Just common sense. And if you are rebellious against God and His Law NOW you wont suddenly CHANGE at the Resurrection! Therefore, you wont be ALLOWED into Heaven. Because you would ruin the PEACE and HAPPINESS there, if God were to allow you in.

Me legalistic? NO, ....THEY ARE!

Watch my video here and you might get it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF0lsL5b7mc

as i agree of the ten commandments but as to the Law of Moshe the actual levitical Law is done away but now under grace and truth ( take a look at the word truth ) the Latin root of truth is verus now also from this word is associated with Pius ,rectum , santium , versus being truth what is truth it is just , holy , in all goodness knowing no deception knowing no corruption knowing no greed for we are spirit in the flesh sowing to the everlasting reward our inheritance of an incorruptible truth along with our Lord , we to be one mind one spirit one truth for our identity is with God ( ELOHIM) now look at Isaiah 8 it states there the if the Law and to the testimony (testimony being the works )

 

[MidniteWelder]

Something even more interesting........... All of the law has changed, including the 10 commandments! Don't believe me?

What was the judgement most given to the "law breakers"? Stoning! Nowhere in the NT is stoning or any judgement of death approved by Jesus , nor the Apostles....... this was changed. In the OT, if you didn't stone them, you yourselves were guilty to be stoned as well!

Do you believe this is because Jesus said he came not to judge the world but to save the world through him.
Stoning would have meant their judgement time has come.
One thing that I notice did change, not judgement, but the timing of when one gets judged.
In a way this actually makes things more difficult because if one gets judged instantly, its quick and done out of the way.
Yet if one gets judged later, they may go through their life thinking they've escaped. only to discover...
"hey wait...I thought ! Noooo"

 

[Stephen63]

You have a LOT to learn about scripture if it was written in the Old Testament. Also about reading scripture in the context of the way the world was for the people used as an example to teach about God. Also, about trusting and loving the Father who created you and wants the very best of everything for you.

This scripture was given to people who were going to make a home for themselves among people so unjust and corrupt that it seemed right to them to murder babies to feed idols. They were told how to make a world for themselves that was filled with caring and love in the midst of this. Certain things, they were told, were so important for them to do that if anyone insisted they would not live that way it was better they were stoned, but there were so many rules surrounding this sentence that it was seldom carried out. We have prisons, they didn't.

In our society, we have broken the moral rules. There is no stoning for this in our time, but we are now living in a society with no security of family as a result. Have you looked around your neighborhood to see the grief this has brought about? You read of how the children act out their lives as a result. And you are not aware of the spiritual realm and how this has affected it.

What I learned about the OT was that when God said it, He meant it. He didn't variate from it.
Numbers 15:32-36 (KJV) [SUP]32 [/SUP]And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. [SUP]33 [/SUP]And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation. [SUP]34 [/SUP]And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him. [SUP]35 [/SUP]And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. [SUP]36 [/SUP]And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.

 

[RedTent]

No not trying to prove the O.T. void and if you have followed any conversation that I have been in, you will find that I quote it quite often....POINT Is that there are some things in the O.T. that are NOT APPLICABLE UNTO US...so really before you assume something about me why not just politely ask instead of making mouthy comments such as.....are you trying to prove the OT void? That is a weak argument. Geez!

There is nothing in the Old Testament that is not applicable to us. Nothing. We are told about blood, it is applicable. Now we have the blood of Christ. We are told of the temple. It is applicable to the temple we have now. Scripture is not recorded because God thought it was to be ignored as a teaching.

 

[Apostol2013]

Now to the Law and the testimony being the the testimony being the works of the Law don't accord with THE WORD being the testimony of Yashu hamachiach (Jesus Christ ) that the light is not in them now Jesus Came bringing the Light being himself also the Father for they are One so because the son came from the Father THe Son Is , and the Spirit being from the Father making them One , I believe God (ELOHIM) is too great to define but we are to accept they are One , now up until Jesus the true form of the Law was kept from being revealed for it was necessary that the Creator himself would reveal it and redeem us being the man Christ Himself for He proceeded from the Father the very same substance everything that the Father is , that is why He said I Am . TheLaw that Our Lord came to deliver was the very Law wwhich He Himself lived ( truly testified not just in speech but in every essence in every manner ) Isa 45 , to love God with all our heart mind body and soul (dissolving oneself that He may live for us through His testimony being in us (remaining in him ) the second commandment to love one another as He had loved us (being selfless not living His own will but as His Father willed it to teaching us the form that God had intended for us since the beginning ) now shall we do away with the Law Paul said God forbid but we are to establish it (establish it as to learn according to the true Spirit of the way we should live our true form in a like hood to that of the Creator himself in Holiness bringing to remembrance the scripture be holy for I am holy and the other like that one , the servant must be perfect as His master , then Jesus stated why do you call me Lord if you do not do as I say (command ) bringing in the law we have been waiting for a true holiness a Law magnified and made honorable by His true form by His spirit ( his likeness His truth all Holiness true power ) many saying not by works but by faith but I say this is true for a believer that Has died and shed the old man denying himself and following Jesus we must know who He is , like Elisha sending the old coat and putting on the new coat ,or even David shedding His clothes dancing in the spirit putting on the true clothing and armor of God , and walking in true power complete humility a true servant rendered to God so must we , ( for Jesus Came testifying of His Father for He is a Spirit not flesh (john 4) Jesus was conceived of the Spirit , baptized of the Spirit , has the spirit without measure ,living a Holy life , was born of a virgin , faithful to holiness (the Spirit ) declaring His Fathers kingdom our kingdom by inheritance of our love for him , obedience of Him by making His truth true in us in our lives daily in denial of ourselves , Jesus being the very testimony died proclaiming Holiness ( The Spirit ) to the cross that we may be atoned if we obey (love him) now faith without works is dead this is true since we have died with Christ now we are to Live through Him by denying ourselves and taking on His true form in the spirit bearing much fruit that through this the scripture 1john 3:16 may be fulfilled and the true order will be multiplied bringing into remembrance every tree after its own kind every seed after its own genre multiplying Christ Our God (ELOHIM )be multiplied in us now I will stop as I'm going to bed I will keep all of you in my prayers peace of Christ be in you all Amen.......e

 

[Apostol2013]

Establish the Law learning all righteousness through scripture all that pleases God not after a carnal state of mind but a true form of Eternity ..

 

[danschance]

There is nothing in the Old Testament that is not applicable to us. Nothing. We are told about blood, it is applicable. Now we have the blood of Christ. We are told of the temple. It is applicable to the temple we have now. Scripture is not recorded because God thought it was to be ignored as a teaching.

Was Jesus the last blood sacrifice God will accept?

 

[JesusLives]

God did not ask Noah or the priests to sacrifice their sons...and you are missing the point of my post. Go read again slowly!

Please go read post #85 again... O.K. my sentence structure not so great, but Noah and priest reference was to your ark and sacrifice of animal questions and I added Abrahams son sacrifice request from God. My point was if God asks you to do something like above mentioned men - they complied with God's request so why wouldn't we?

 

[38miles]

Would we please just get on our knees already. All of us.

[video=youtube;5Y7h6K13z0I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y7h6K13z0I[/video]

 

[JesusLives]

I'm just going to keep posting this until one of you can tell me you are keeping the Sabbath!


Then there's the rest of the laws concerning the Sabbath (seventh) day:

1. No work done at all (Ex. 20: 10; Lev. 23: 3; Jer. 17:21-22). No watering the lawn, no working in the yard, no hobbies, no surfing, no fixing flat tires, etc. By law if a person did not stop all types of activity in honor of the Sabbath, he was breaking the law. In Numbers 15:32-36 a man was caught collecting sticks on the Sabbath, and he was stoned to death.
2 No kindling of a fire (Ex. 35:3). No fellowship cookouts or barbecues. You can't go into a restaurant and get a hamburger that's been flame broiled, you can't cook eggs, or pancakes in the morning because you'd be kindling a fire for cooking. To drive a car would be to "kindle a fire" In the combustion chamber of your engine.
3. No traveling at all (Ex. 16:29). Later the Jews added to this law, allowing only a half mile of travel on the Sabbath which we see observed in the NT. But the pure law says "stay at home." Actually, If you kept this part of the law, you could not travel to your church gathering unless it was less than one-quarter mile away from home. If you had an emergency you could not drive to the hospital.
4. No trading (Amos 8:5). If you happened to need gas to get to church service, you could not "trade" money for gasoline. You would not be allowed to buy a cassette tape of that morning's message or a book at the store. There is to be No exchanging of money for goods. If you worked with stocks and you needed to sell you couldn’t.
5. No marketing (Neh. 10:31; 13:15,19). Make sure you do no shopping whatsoever. You can't buy any ice cream for dessert after dinner or anything else. If you run out of food or drink at home you can’t go out to purchase any, you can’t even by a stick of gum.
6. A holy assembly with double the daily offering along with the other offerings. In other words, you are to give twice as much on the Sabbath (Num. 28:9).Do we practiced this today In compliance with Old Testament law. Do Sabbatarian's really practice the law? I have yet to see people go to Shabbat and give twice as much each week.
7. New showbread In the holy place (Lev. 24:8). Of course this cannot be done today since there is no temple, so this part of the Sabbath cannot be followed by the church. The fact Is the Sabbath was not made for the gentiles, but for the Jews and their generations (Ex. 31:12-17). It's a law given between God and the Jews.
8.The last part of the requirements for keeping the Sabbath day law Is the penalty for breaking It. DEATH


So, which of you are keeping the Shabbat of the 10 commandments?

I follow the 4th commandment as God wrote. I don't do a lot of what you listed as it can be done ahead on Friday. Common sense has to be used. God said if the ox is in the ditch you would not leave it there to suffer. People try to make the Sabbath much harder to observe than God's instructions were. 10 simple commandments from God and you would think the sky was falling to try to honor God's request. Which can only be done through Christ Jesus but no one ever hears what I am saying or what God was asking.

 

[JaumeJ]

This is a classic distortion of the Word of Yahweh.

When Yeshua made this declaration, it was in direct reference to doing good on the Sabbath (the disciples were gleaning wheat for they were ahungered), NOT teaching man can ever change the order of creation and the day given by our Father as a gift of rest on the Seventh Day.

God forbid His Word be changed by any flesh or any demonic theology. It is demonic to believe one may alter in any manner the Word that is Jesus Christ.

Christ specifically said that we were not made for the Sabbath, but that the Sabbath was made for us. Do you honestly believe that God in His infinite wisdom and glory actually cares if I take my day of rest on Friday evening to Saturday evening? Or does He rather enjoy my wednesday day of rest or sunday day of rest, due to work or life? God wants a relationship, not a tyrannical mode of worship of "THIS DAY AND NO OTHER!!!!"

 

[JesusLives]

Would we please just get on our knees already. All of us.

[video=youtube;5Y7h6K13z0I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y7h6K13z0I[/video]

Beautiful song and you are right more prayer never hurt anyone. I do pray for brothers and sisters on CC because we all need God/Jesus/Holy Spirit in our lives.

 

[RedTent]

the title of this thread condemns all who do not follow Jesus the way in which the seventh day adventists do. The Holy Spirit really has been slack in saving people if he allowed the message of God to remain virtually dead until the 19th century and then only saved a few 'law' abiders. in a word: foolishness

Scripture does not uphold your view that we are saved by how we keep the Sabbath. And yes, they have followed what is not of Christ when they believe about Sabbath as you teach. We are being shown God's way, and we look to scripture to find out if that is correct, is that really what scripture teaches, and yes, it is.

What you are saying about it is what the Catholic Luther when he came up with new teachings. They were scripture. It even changed the Catholic Church.

 

[Apostol2013]

Study to show thyself approved study before speaking