MODERN CHRISTIANS WORSHIPPING THEIR HEATHEN GODS--by tossing out the 7th Day Sabbath

[homwardbound]

So if Jesus took all of my sins past present and future. Paid the full punishment and penalty for every commandment broken. Then how could it be as a born again Spirit filled believer would I be punished for what has clearly all been paid?

By God I think you are getting it. Watch out though, here comes the enemy to plant thoughts in your heads as was done to the Corinthians?
You are forgiven by God yes, fact, now here comes the thought well since I am forgiven period, I can do what I want, anmd no matter if I harm you or you or you, or do this or that and do things against others will, why not I am forgiven already past tense, so I will get drunk, eat all the food before the rest of the body shows up, round up the hookers from the Brothel with shaven heads, have them behind the pulpit and preach we are free to do as we please.
That is what was going on in the Corinth Tabernacle at that time.
So this is why Paul wrote 1 Cor. to them to straighten out the heresy that they were taking advantage of. They were not acting as to what God did for them as in why God forgave us all in advance, The purpose behind it to respond in thankfulness and praises to God, having God's love imputed in them working through them, were flesh selfishness makes no more sense

So then we see this verse:
Hebrews 2:3 how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

And me personally, I have no desire to use God's Son Christ as an escape goat to get away with doing anyone else wrong.
As people use getting drunk as an excuse for committing harm to their neighbor or the twinky defense as an excuse for bad behavior
There is no excuse God went to the cross for us to redeem us in Spirit not flesh. we have the message of reconciliation, so then let us be reconciled to God in love to all, freed out of Jail, freed to love as God loves all, shown through Son to us all

 

[homwardbound]

Just a thought has anyone here considered the fact that God lives in every born again believer? Having the Holy Spirit indwelling we are taught directly by Him to obey everything that is holy and pleasing to God.
The written law was our school master to lead us to Christ.

You got it that is a fact Jack

 

[Stephen63]

Let's see...... Op starts thread & leaves, & guy with SDA name comes in & starts with everyone..........Can anyone say "troll setup"?

 

[homwardbound]

What part of The Holy Spirit do you think tells me sin is ok?
You sound exactly like the men mentioned in Galatians that slanderously reported the Christians taught "let us sin that grace may abound".

Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

And one walks as Christ walked in total dependence on Father as Christ was via the Holy Spirit that lived in him with him and through him
I see it as to be the same for us led by Father in the power of Father via the Holy Spirit that we are sealed with. all these buts to keep us from the full walk in trust to Father through Christ
Ephesians 1:13 in whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Thanks Gregory

 

[homwardbound]

I think Galatians 5:18 is my new favorite scripture. Freedom oh blessed freedom in Christ!

Agreed
Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

 

[weakness]

I ,along with scripture, believe that everyone should be fully persuaded and have unadulterated faith in what they allow. And, that we should not just think of ourselves, but of our brothers or sisters conscience, or of a weaker brother or sister. For me personally it is not a matter of Sat. or Sun. ,any day is a good time to fellowship and minister to one another,in fact the first believers were often together and of one accord, to our disgrace. But as pertaining to holy Sabbath, Heb 4 makes it very clear ,at least to me , that we are to cease from our works and rest in god's finished and provisional work every day. There by fulfilling the law and still keeping the one day Sabbath also. It exceeds the old much like committing adultery and looking on a woman with lust in your heart exceed the old commandment ,yet fulfills it. God did so many unbelievable works for the children of Israel yet they could not rest in his work done for them. Their cloths never wore out ,water out of a rock , manna, meat,for all that time in the wilderness,no easy place to survive even today with modern equipment. But God did it all for them ,but they still would not acknowledge him in it . So he made a day because of their hardened heart, a law to make them rest and acknowledge him . But it still was not enough because it was their hearts were wicked. and sin taking occasion by the commandment slew them. So now do we still not learn after there example of unbelief left to us?My God does and is every thing to me. He has supplied all my needs in Christ Jesus ,every day.and all things work to my good,every day.and my Sabbath is (rest) is in him every day.When I was a child living on a farm ,the whole community stoped working on Sunday. it was a shameful thing to work, even if your crops were not planted or were not harvested, it was that strong of a rule that the whole town would gossip about you if you worked on Sunday. And that was kinda nice,having that day to cease from labor.and still would be and I don't speak against it. but that is not really the rest or Sabbath in Christ that is before us now. But to see the body of Christ arguing over which day it should be is a shame full thing.IT is not even the issue which day,But every day,are we resting in Christ ,truly or are we just religious? A house divided against itself can not stand. grace and peace to all those in Christ Jesus and to all those who Christ Jesus is in. Amen

 

[homwardbound]

Not saying you have or did. Glad you have found freedom. Just saying that if even the apostle Paul had problems with his flesh. So will you and I and all of us. As a fellow brother and not to condemn by no means. Keep your faith in the cross.

God Bless.

Paul explained the problem of flesh and God's Spirit as to who need to be in the lead and to reckon ourselves dead to flesh sin.
If I am dead, drowned by the rain can the rain trouble me anymore? So if you believe you are dead to flesh sin by Christ at Christ's death for you, can sin any longer bother you? It can try, but do you have to listen to it? This is what God through Paul is trying to teach us to walk by the hidden man of our new hearts that God gave us.
I know God is teaching you truth over error Kerry, the same as God is doing for me to walk as Son walked by Faith, being led by the same Holy Spirit that led Christ, where no sin Brother can ever occur, thanking Christ as by propitiation for any and all sin if I do not walk by Spirit, Christ remains our advocate and keeps us clean, we learn from our mistakes and go right back to trusting God, growing unto Maturity in Christ
Hebrews 5:10- 6:6 a good read on this, I get reminded of this daily to watch and trust God

 

[homwardbound]

Pretend phony Christians everywhere. Yes indeed, we are living in the last days.

So you know who is who when only God knows and wants to teach to be wise as serpents, but harmless as doves and you make these accusations, excuse me God bless us all, oh wait a minute God did through Son
Thanks and there is no:
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

It is the spirit of the Law that, the believers follow not the Letter

 

[homwardbound]

Just save all the excuses and the trouble and admit you LOVE TO SIN.

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cool and they accused Paul of this being in freedom, Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go, man Go accuse accuse just as the accuser that has been judged, that be the devil would it not? Not accusing you back just listening to waht you are posting in condemnation to others

 

[homwardbound]

The truth is that phony Christians hate THE SABBATH, I am referring to the real 7th Day Sabbath of the Lord. They aren't going to go right out and claim that they can now steal, murder, commit adultery and worship other gods, oh no" that would be too obvious that it is ridiculous to say such a thing. But what they are really wanting to do is undermine the Sabbath. They claim with straight face that its JEWISH. Therefore they have to make claims the whole law of God is JEWISH. What a slap in the face of GOD that is, that you think your Saviour, your Lord Jesus Christ died so that you could continue in your debauchery and sin. What an insult!

Rebuke you, that was never said by anyone here to take advantage of this great salvation ever, Please back off of your debauchery, God is not pleased with this at all, from where I see God in God's Mercy.
Love you, and please we are here to discuss not condemn one another

 

[homwardbound]

Can't start your car either. not allowed to kindle a fire on the Sabbath.

or use an elevator, hope you live on the first floor

 

[homwardbound]

That's what we end up with when you have LAW with no grace.

Or even try to mix it Law and grace. For even oil and water does not mix. Can be stirred up to appear to, yet when all is settled it separates every time. So Law and grace does not mix either and per Hebrews we are under a new law
Hebrews 7:11-12 and a new priesthood, and Christ was not from the Levite tribe either

 

[homwardbound]

Reading through some of these comments here, I easily understand why the person making the opening post up and left the place.

There was one in the parable that Christ gave us who begged that someone from the dead might go to his relatives and warn them that they might believe. But Christ told them, “They have Moses and the prophets.... If they hear not [them], neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.” ...

In other words, go read through the list of a couple of hundred Bible verses on the Law and the 7th Day Sabbath, and if it doesn't register in your little minds after that, it ain't going to matter WHAT anybody tries to tell you.
I wouldn't want to argue with a bunch of Ninnys myself.

Bottom line either one believes or they do not, simple and then if Believe God teaches us to walk as Son walked already
End of story

 

[Nick1939]

I make no apologies for plainly stating the truth.

That is what I was called to do.

Isaiah 58:1


58 Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.



Ezekiel 33:5-7
[SUP]5 [/SUP]He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.

You Plainly State The Truth? What Truth ; Try This Truth Heb 4:3-11 And Col 2:14-23 Tell Us The Truth Of This Verses
Please, And Then Read To Us The Testimony Of The Seventh Day Adventist,Joseph W, Tkach, Who Made The Change
From The Wold Wide Church Of God, And Repented From Keeping The Sabbath Under The Law, Here Is Some Of His Quote.
QUOTE" Late Last Year, The World Wide Church Of God, Sponsor Of The PLAIN TRUTH, Changed Its HIstorical Posion
As A Strict Seventh-Day (Saturday) Sabbath-Keeping Fellowship. Although The Church Will Continue To Hold Its
Traditional Worship Service On Saturdays , It NO Longer Holds To The Doctrine That The OLD Covenant Sabbath
Commandment Is BINDING On CHRISTIANS, End Quote....
So Please Do Yourself A Big Favor, And Check The Above Scriptures As There Are Many More, And Please Don't
Trough Out The Baby With The Tubwater ....God Bless...

 

[Laodicea]

Or even try to mix it Law and grace. For even oil and water does not mix. Can be stirred up to appear to, yet when all is settled it separates every time. So Law and grace does not mix either and per Hebrews we are under a new law
Hebrews 7:11-12 and a new priesthood, and Christ was not from the Levite tribe either

Romans 6:15 KJV
(15) What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

 

[Laodicea]

Agreed
Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Romans 8:4 KJV
(4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


So if we walk after the Spirit we keep the law. If we do not walk after the Spirit we will not.

 

[UriahSmith1844]

To the one claiming that Ellen White was a false prophet, I have to say that judging by the majority of you here, she seems to be right on the money to me.

"The scribes, Pharisees, and rulers were determined that they would not see the
evidences of truth, and they evaded the most manifest conclusions. To justify their
course of stubborn unbelief, they lost no possible opportunity of seizing upon
anything in the teaching of Jesus that they could misconstrue, misapply, or falsify.
When there was no possibility of misapplying the truth of Christ’s words, these men
who rejected the counsel of God against themselves, started questions that had no
reference to the matter in hand, so as to attract the attention of the people away
from the lesson that Jesus sought to teach, and adroitly evade the truth. The
Pharisees were not blindly opposing the doctrines of Christ; for the truth made deep
impressions upon their minds; but they resisted truth, and went contrary to their
convictions, closing their eyes lest they should see, hardening the heart, lest they
should perceive, and be converted, and Christ should heal them." -Ellen White, The
Review and Herald, October 18, 1892

Do you all carry a MANUAL with you, giving you a hundred different ways to evade the Truth?

... like, Let's accuse Ellen White of being a false prophet, that will divert people's attention... or oh I know, lets accuse UriahSmith of being someone else.

It is pathetic.

It would not matter if Ellen White were a false prophet, you are going to have to answer God as to why you have evaded keeping His Law. It would not matter if I were the Man in the Moon or even Elvis Presley, you STILL will have to answer to God as to why you have tried to evade obeying His law. And whether or not I speak in a 'loving' tone or whether I call you a bunch of Hypocrites, as Jesus called some in His day, you STILL are going to have to answer to God for your disobedience to His law. You remind me of those shyster lawyers... if you cannot disprove the witness, you therefore must try to discredit the witness. Nice try! It just shows you have no legitimate Bible proof for what you believe.

 

[dcontroversal]

To the one claiming that Ellen White was a false prophet, I have to say that judging by the majority of you here, she seems to be right on the money to me.

"The scribes, Pharisees, and rulers were determined that they would not see the
evidences of truth, and they evaded the most manifest conclusions. To justify their
course of stubborn unbelief, they lost no possible opportunity of seizing upon
anything in the teaching of Jesus that they could misconstrue, misapply, or falsify.
When there was no possibility of misapplying the truth of Christ’s words, these men
who rejected the counsel of God against themselves, started questions that had no
reference to the matter in hand, so as to attract the attention of the people away
from the lesson that Jesus sought to teach, and adroitly evade the truth. The
Pharisees were not blindly opposing the doctrines of Christ; for the truth made deep
impressions upon their minds; but they resisted truth, and went contrary to their
convictions, closing their eyes lest they should see, hardening the heart, lest they
should perceive, and be converted, and Christ should heal them." -Ellen White, The
Review and Herald, October 18, 1892

Do you all carry a MANUAL with you, giving you a hundred different ways to evade the Truth?

... like, Let's accuse Ellen White of being a false prophet, that will divert people's attention... or oh I know, lets accuse UriahSmith of being someone else.

It is pathetic.

It would not matter if Ellen White were a false prophet, you are going to have to answer God as to why you have evaded keeping His Law. It would not matter if I were the Man in the Moon or even Elvis Presley, you STILL will have to answer to God as to why you have tried to evade obeying His law. And whether or not I speak in a 'loving' tone or whether I call you a bunch of Hypocrites, as Jesus called some in His day, you STILL are going to have to answer to God for your disobedience to His law. You remind me of those shyster lawyers... if you cannot disprove the witness, you therefore must try to discredit the witness. Nice try! It just shows you have no legitimate Bible proof for what you believe.

Jesus I have heard of and Paul as well, but who is Ellen White?

 

[JesusLives]

Jesus is my Sabbath, I rest in Him. Where else can I rest. In Che mosh or Asteroth or maybe Baal or Molech, maybe Dagon can give it to me. Rest in your day, maybe the child of the Sun and Moon which is Pharaoh can.

The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. Jesus came for man and not man for Jesus.

Jesus is my Savior and I go and rest with Him on Sabbath.

 

[Stephen63]

To the one claiming that Ellen White was a false prophet, I have to say that judging by the majority of you here, she seems to be right on the money to me.

Let's quote from Ellen White herself:

Ellen G. White: “The holy Watcher from heaven is present at this season (communion service) to
make it one of soul searching, of conviction of sin, and of the blessed assurance of sins forgiven.
Christ in the fullness of His grace is there to change the current of the thoughts that have been
running in selfish channels. The Holy Spirit quickens the sensibilities of those who follow the
example of their Lord.” – Desire of Ages, page 650.

Ellen G. White: “Every nation that has come upon the stage of action has been permitted to
occupy its place on the earth, that it might be seen whether it would fulfil the purpose of "the
Watcher and the Holy One." Prophecy has traced the rise and fall of the world's great empires--
Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. With each of these, as with nations of less power, history
repeated itself. Each had its period of test, each failed, its glory faded, its power departed, and its
place was occupied by another.” – {Ed 176.4}

Ellen G. White: “That same Holy Watcher who says, "I know Abraham," knew Cornelius also, and
sent His angel with a message to the man who had received and improved all the light God had
given him. The angel said, "Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.
And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter." Then the specific
directions are given, "He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall
tell thee what thou oughtest to do"” – (Acts 10:4-6). {2SM 217.1}

Ellen G. White: “Though Cornelius believed the prophecies and was looking for the Messiah to
come, he had not a knowledge of the gospel as revealed in the life and death of Christ. He was not a
member of the Jewish church and would have been looked upon by the rabbis as a heathen and
unclean. But the same Holy Watcher who said of Abraham, "I know him," knew Cornelius also, and
1sent a message direct from heaven to him.” – The Acts of the Apostles (1911), page 133,
paragraph 2.

Who is this "holy watcher"? Why not call him God, or the Father, or the Lord, or Yashua, or Jehovah, or any of the names of God? I believe this picture says it all:

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“Way of Life” lithograph conceived by James and Ellen White, 1874.
Original lithograph is located at Loma Linda University, White Estate Photographs

If anyone wants to know more about Ellen G. White, just Google her name with "freemasonry" & you'll see all you want.