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The three verses below verify that Christ's flesh and blood were biologically
produced by David's body.
• Ps 89:3-4 . . I have made a covenant with My chosen; I have sworn to
David My servant: I will establish your seed forever, and build up your
throne to all generations
• Ps 132:11 . .The Lord has sworn to David, a truth from which He will not
turn back: Of the fruit of your body I will set upon your throne.
• Ps 89:35-36 . . Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto
David. His seed shall endure forever, and his throne as the sun before me.
The New Testament verifies that Jesus satisfies the requirement in those
Psalms.
• Rom 1:1-3 . . Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David
according to the flesh
The Greek word for "seed" in that passage is sperma (sper'-mah) which is a
bit ambiguous because it can refer to spiritual progeny as well as to
biological progeny; for example:
• Gal 3:29 . . If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed.
Abraham's seed in that verse obviously refers to spiritual progeny; whereas
David's seed in the passages above refers to biological progeny because
David's seed is 1) the fruit of his body and 2) according to the flesh.
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The three verses below verify that Christ's flesh and blood were biologically
produced by David's body.
• Ps 89:3-4 . . I have made a covenant with My chosen; I have sworn to
David My servant: I will establish your seed forever, and build up your
throne to all generations
• Ps 132:11 . .The Lord has sworn to David, a truth from which He will not
turn back: Of the fruit of your body I will set upon your throne.
• Ps 89:35-36 . . Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto
David. His seed shall endure forever, and his throne as the sun before me.
The New Testament verifies that Jesus satisfies the requirement in those
Psalms.
• Rom 1:1-3 . . Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David
according to the flesh
The Greek word for "seed" in that passage is sperma (sper'-mah) which is a
bit ambiguous because it can refer to spiritual progeny as well as to
biological progeny; for example:
• Gal 3:29 . . If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed.
Abraham's seed in that verse obviously refers to spiritual progeny; whereas
David's seed in the passages above refers to biological progeny because
David's seed is 1) the fruit of his body and 2) according to the flesh.
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The "seed" that John146 mentioned back in post No.88 is in the Bible.
• 1John 3:9 . . No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed
abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
That verse is not only useful for saying something about God's involvement
in Jesus' conception, but also helps to explain how it was possible for a man
to be 110% sinless his entire life.
His seed is translated from the Greek word sperma which was addressed
somewhat in post No.82. The characteristics of God's seed are a total
mystery, but if the writers didn't use common biological terms, they'd have
no other way to say something about God's involvement in Jesus'
conception. We're not saying the Holy Ghost slept with Mary; only that in
some very strange miraculous way, the Spirit had a hand in getting her
preggers so that Mary's little guy would not only be a son of h.sapiens, but
also a son of h.sapiens' creator.
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The "seed" that John146 mentioned back in post No.88 is in the Bible.
• 1John 3:9 . . No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed
abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
That verse is not only useful for saying something about God's involvement
in Jesus' conception, but also helps to explain how it was possible for a man
to be 110% sinless his entire life.
His seed is translated from the Greek word sperma which was addressed
somewhat in post No.82. The characteristics of God's seed are a total
mystery, but if the writers didn't use common biological terms, they'd have
no other way to say something about God's involvement in Jesus'
conception. We're not saying the Holy Ghost slept with Mary; only that in
some very strange miraculous way, the Spirit had a hand in getting her
preggers so that Mary's little guy would not only be a son of h.sapiens, but
also a son of h.sapiens' creator.
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If true that Jesus was virgin conceived, then his mother's body is the default
biological connection to David.
FAQ: From whence did baby Jesus obtain a Y chromosome for his male
gender?
REPLY: In the beginning, Eve's entire body was constructed with material taken
from Adam's body.
Seeing as how Eve is the mother of all women, then any material taken from
Mary's body to construct a Y chromosome for baby Jesus would be owed to
Eve's body, and from thence to Adam's.
The beauty of it is that a Y chromosome constructed with material taken
from Mary's body wouldn't be an alien substance created ex nihilo; but
would be constructed from human material already in existence.
* If God could construct an entire woman's body-- top to bottom and
front to back --with material taken from a man, then it shouldn't be all that
difficult for Him to construct a teensy little chromosome with material taken
from a woman.
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If true that Jesus was virgin conceived, then his mother's body is the default
biological connection to David.
FAQ: From whence did baby Jesus obtain a Y chromosome for his male
gender?
REPLY: In the beginning, Eve's entire body was constructed with material taken
from Adam's body.
Seeing as how Eve is the mother of all women, then any material taken from
Mary's body to construct a Y chromosome for baby Jesus would be owed to
Eve's body, and from thence to Adam's.
The beauty of it is that a Y chromosome constructed with material taken
from Mary's body wouldn't be an alien substance created ex nihilo; but
would be constructed from human material already in existence.
* If God could construct an entire woman's body-- top to bottom and
front to back --with material taken from a man, then it shouldn't be all that
difficult for Him to construct a teensy little chromosome with material taken
from a woman.
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I strongly recommend exercising caution in the use of those two genealogies
because there's a serious question about the listings of Shieltiel and
Zerubbabel. In Matthew's genealogy, the two men are linked to David via
Solomon, whereas in Luke's genealogy, they're linked to David via Nathan.
Their respective descendants are different too. Zerubbabel's son is listed as
Abihud in Matthew's genealogy, whereas his son is listed as Rhesa in Luke's.
It's been suggested that Shealtiel and Zerubbabel are common names so we
shouldn't be surprised to find them listed in both genealogies. However, they
are listed as father and son in both genealogies, which we cannot expect
reasonable people to accept as mere coincidence.
Unfortunately, to date there exists no consensus among the experts how
best to resolve the confusion caused by the presence of Shieltiel and
Zerubbabel in both genealogies. Were we scientific in our thinking; we'd
have to consider the data compromised.
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I strongly recommend exercising caution in the use of those two genealogies
because there's a serious question about the listings of Shieltiel and
Zerubbabel. In Matthew's genealogy, the two men are linked to David via
Solomon, whereas in Luke's genealogy, they're linked to David via Nathan.
Their respective descendants are different too. Zerubbabel's son is listed as
Abihud in Matthew's genealogy, whereas his son is listed as Rhesa in Luke's.
It's been suggested that Shealtiel and Zerubbabel are common names so we
shouldn't be surprised to find them listed in both genealogies. However, they
are listed as father and son in both genealogies, which we cannot expect
reasonable people to accept as mere coincidence.
Unfortunately, to date there exists no consensus among the experts how
best to resolve the confusion caused by the presence of Shieltiel and
Zerubbabel in both genealogies. Were we scientific in our thinking; we'd
have to consider the data compromised.
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◄ 4690. sperma ►
Strong's Concordance
sperma: that which is sown, i.e. seedOriginal Word: σπέρμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: sperma
Phonetic Spelling: (sper'-mah)
Definition: that which is sown, seed
Usage: (a) seed, commonly of cereals, (b) offspring, descendents.
a. from which a plant germinates; α. properly, the seed i. e. the grain or kernel which contains within itself the germ of the future plant: plural, Matthew 13:32; Mark 4:31; 1 Corinthians 15:38 (Exodus 16:31; 1 Samuel 8:15); the singular is used collectively of the grains or kernels sown: Matthew 13:24, 27, 37; 2 Corinthians 9:10 (here L Tr σπόρος). β. metaphorically, a seed i. e. a residue. or a few survivors reserved as the germ of a new race (just as seed is kept from the harvest for the sowing), Romans 9:29 after Isaiah 1:9, ... source
Strong's Concordance
sperma: that which is sown, i.e. seed
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: sperma
Phonetic Spelling: (sper'-mah)
Definition: that which is sown, seed
Usage: (a) seed, commonly of cereals, (b) offspring, descendents.
a. from which a plant germinates; α. properly, the seed i. e. the grain or kernel which contains within itself the germ of the future plant: plural, Matthew 13:32; Mark 4:31; 1 Corinthians 15:38 (Exodus 16:31; 1 Samuel 8:15); the singular is used collectively of the grains or kernels sown: Matthew 13:24, 27, 37; 2 Corinthians 9:10 (here L Tr σπόρος). β. metaphorically, a seed i. e. a residue. or a few survivors reserved as the germ of a new race (just as seed is kept from the harvest for the sowing), Romans 9:29 after Isaiah 1:9, ... source
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The Bible contains a large amount of writing tracing the biological origin of
Jesus' body all the way back to Adam, beginning with his wife.
• Gen 3:15 . . I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between
your seed and her seed. He shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise His
heel.
Just about everybody on both sides of the aisle agrees that prophesy relates
to Jesus.
And then there's this:
• Gen 12:3 . . All peoples on earth will be blessed through you.
That one connects Jesus to Abraham; and from thence the Bible traces
Jesus' biological genealogy with earnest thru the lines of Isaac, Jacob, and
Judah.
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The Bible contains a large amount of writing tracing the biological origin of
Jesus' body all the way back to Adam, beginning with his wife.
• Gen 3:15 . . I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between
your seed and her seed. He shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise His
heel.
Just about everybody on both sides of the aisle agrees that prophesy relates
to Jesus.
And then there's this:
• Gen 12:3 . . All peoples on earth will be blessed through you.
That one connects Jesus to Abraham; and from thence the Bible traces
Jesus' biological genealogy with earnest thru the lines of Isaac, Jacob, and
Judah.
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