When you say: "None of this misinformed KJV Only nonsense and outright lies", that is quite a statment, when millions of Christians rely on the KJV for their guidance into salvation of Eternal Life. I hope we are not getting duped by a bible that apparently was written by devils.
Can you expand on your statement? I would be interested. What information do you have of the ancient texts used to translate the KJV, I thought that was interesting, but have no reference for this statement.
So thank you.
I'm sorry! I apologize for putting down an historic translation, which God has and continues to use for his glory. I have come very hard against the KJV Onlyists, because we have been having this same fruitless argument for years and years. Literally, the SAME people and the SAME exact conversation. So, something for you to understand, since you are fairly new to CC.
My objection has never been to people reading the KJV, and learning and growing in Christ. A friend of mine uses the KJV, and also posts Spurgeon devotionals in 19th century English. She thinks my lack of understanding has something to do with my learning style, and the way I read, that I cannot get much out of the KJV or her posts by Spurgeon, unless they are translated into modern English.
I am very good at languages I have been taught. I am fluent in French, I understand a lot of German and Spanish, and I read the NT in Koine Greek, with no problem. I am also picking up my Hebrew again. But, I have learned these things, by listening to the languages, studying the grammar, especially the verbs, and being taught by people who are experts in the languages. I have never, ever been taught how to conjugate 2nd person singular in 16th century English. Even though I can do it for all the other languages, because I was taught, and I have a good memory and learned them.
Now I am old. I used the KJV in Sunday School, as a child. I memorized it, and those verses have stayed with me, and opened the door to salvation. Someone said that kids shouldn't memorize KJV, but it never hurt me. But, when I was just turning 12, I was not being sent to church anymore. So, I started reading the KJV on my own. I even memorized Psalm 8. But, I was frustrated. Because there were so many words I couldn't understand. (No internet to look things up in those days!) And the grammar was weird. I tried very hard to read it, but gave up, and instead, got into modern English occult. I always wondered if I had a modern version, (Did they even exist in those days? Well, some people had them!) that I might have stuck with God, instead of getting so horribly off track? Or maybe, God wanted me on that track, because I have a ministry to new agers, now, which I would not have if I had not wandered so far from God? (I spent till 2 am online last night witnessing to a new ager, and it is was another seed watered. God will give the increase.)
Anyway, my objection is NOT to people reading the KJV. It is those who come on here with shoddy research and claim that modern Bibles are from the devil, and the KJV is the ONLY version. When it is a version that most moderns cannot read. When there are so many translation errors, and additions by Byzantine scribes. To say nothing of archaic and obsolete words and grammar. Read the version that works for you. But claiming it is the ONLY Bible, when I have a good knowledge of especially Greek, hermeneutics and Biblical history, as well as studied manuscript evidence, and I could exegete every passage and show you why and where it is wrong, drives me crazy. It is just willful ignorance. Not about reading it! Just to say all other Bibles are bad. From the devil or whatever.
And, I do read modern versions, and I always learn something. Because the Holy Spirit illuminates the words. And if something is NOT right at all, I find it out pretty quick. I know the Bible well, after reading it over 50 times in many languages. So, when a translation is wrong, I can spot it. In second year seminary Greek, we did a lot of comparisons of versions. Because, Greek doesn't translate well into English. German does! It is amazing how close to the Greek it is. That is my project right now. Reading the NT in German. But not English. English, be it 16th century or modern, has a different word order than Greek. It doesn't have cases, and tenses are not important compared to aspect, another thing English barely has.
So, I apologize to all who read the KJV, and it is a good translation for them. I do not apologize to those who have read the simpliest and most facile kind of propaganda by people with no education, who push people into believing the KJV is the ONLY version, when it is merely a popular version from the 16th century.
Here is a link to a good article to read on this topic. Most of the hits come up in favour of KJVOnly on the internet. But, a proper search, or for that matter scholarly books tell this same tale, over and over. Textual variants, late corrupted versions used for the KJV. Because, they simply did not have access to better versions, many of which had not even been found in those days.
https://www.equip.org/article/is-your-modern-translation-corrupt/
PS. A good second year Greek text book
Going Deeper with New Testament Greek, by Kostenberger et al, starts with a long section on manuscript evidence, esp. for the KJV. But it is not a secret. Everyone who has studied Greek, or been a scholar knows the KJV was translated from corrupted late manuscripts. That is why there are so many additions. Which does not detract from the fact, that it is doctrinally the same as modern versions. (With the except of versions like the JWs New World Translation.)
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