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Dude653

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Bruh... If it's on video, they have to determine that it's actually her in the video, right? So, if she says she was wearing a space suit and a cowboy hat- and the person in the video is wearing a firefighter helmet and Christmas pajamas, then it's not the same person.
For starters, what she was wearing was a dumb question when they were literally watching it happen on video
 

SomeDisciple

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The right course is not to submit your will under duress.
That's not to say that this is supposed to be some easy thing. It's not. It's a critical point of failure that shows that all mankind is under sin and needs the grace of god. Everyone at some point has feared man when they should have feared God; for somebody that does not believe in God, or something higher than themselves, it is nearly impossible to escape the fear of man. With God, all things are possible.
 

MsMediator

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False dichotomy again. If he is choosing it, then it's his choice. The right course is not to submit your will under duress.
He is choosing against his will. There is such a thing. You mentioned earlier he should resist...how does that look like to you? If he wants to die in the process, that is his choice. However, if he chooses to live and survive that is understandable.
 

SomeDisciple

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He is choosing against his will. There is such a thing.
That's submitting your will; which is also an act of will in itself.
You mentioned earlier he should resist...how does that look like to you?
Crying out was a sufficient token of resistance under the law for a woman to be blameless under the law. It may or may not look like that. It may exceed that. It may be something less than that. I'm not going to dwell on the specifics.
However, if he chooses to live and survive that is understandable.
It is understandable when non-believers act this way. We aren't supposed to, though.
 

MsMediator

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It is understandable when non-believers act this way. We aren't supposed to, though.
There's obviously some situations like that where you might not be able to escape that kind of abuse- in which case, that's the patience and endurance of the saints. You don't become a part of the corruption hierarchy.
Okay...what should he do if he cannot escape the abuse? You admitted sometimes a person cannot escape abuse.
 

MsMediator

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Crying out was a sufficient token of resistance under the law for a woman to be blameless under the law.
This may be possible. A mother may comply to protect her children. What should a mother do in this case?
 

MsMediator

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Crying out was a sufficient token of resistance under the law for a woman to be blameless under the law. It may or may not look like that. It may exceed that. It may be something less than that. I'm not going to dwell on the specifics.
This is very vague. In any case, you do not seem to believe that fighting until death is necessary. My point is that just because you stop fighting at some point, that doesn't mean compliance. Before you seemed to imply that if a person stops fighting that is willfull compliance. Now we are talking about when is the appropriate time to stop fighting.
 

SomeDisciple

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This is very vague.
The law gave something specific that if she did it, she was blameless in the matter; so, I'm not going to say someone needs to go beyond that- they might, they might not.
In any case, you do not seem to believe that fighting until death is necessary.
No; but I could see this kind of confrontation escalating in that direction quickly.
My point is that just because you stop fighting at some point, that doesn't mean compliance. Before you seemed to imply that if a person stops fighting that is willfull compliance. Now we are talking about when is the appropriate time to stop fighting.
I don't think I tried to define what constitutes compliance, and if I said "fight", I meant it in terms of whatever one might do in order to get their attacker to stop, which includes any verbal warnings, or calling for help etc. You stop when you're no longer able to continue, or when the attacker stops.
 

SomeDisciple

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This may be possible.
If it's not possible, then make it possible by whatever means available. If you can't make it possible then you can't. You can't do what you can't do.
A mother may comply to protect her children.
That probably has happened, and it's a misguided choice. At the end of the day, it doesn't really guarantee the children's protection, or her own.
 

Oncefallen

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I'm going to keep reporting him until a mod finally shows up
And I'll keep rejecting the reports. This isn't Facebook where people get banned for saying something that hurt your feelings.

Regardless of whether I disagree with the user's opinions or not, he hasn't violated our TOS.


Interestingly enough, if people stop replying to the user, he'll have nothing to respond back to.......
 

Dude653

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And I'll keep rejecting the reports. This isn't Facebook where people get banned for saying something that hurt your feelings.

Regardless of whether I disagree with the user's opinions or not, he hasn't violated our TOS.


Interestingly enough, if people stop replying to the user, he'll have nothing to respond back to.......
He said a woman is complicit her own rape if she doesn't fight back enough or screaming of and then he said she's going to hell for being afraid of her rapist
 

ZNP

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He said a woman is complicit her own rape if she doesn't fight back enough or screaming of and then he said she's going to hell for being afraid of her rapist
One reason you have no credibility is the way you ascribe words to people they never said. Instead, if the post is that reprehensible simply share the post. The problem with that is that he was quoting the Bible which says the fearful shall not inherit the kingdom.

I consider that to be slander. Give us word for word what he said without you twisting the words in the most devilish way possible.

Also I was unable to find any post of his on this thread using the word "screaming".
 

Dude653

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One reason you have no credibility is the way you ascribe words to people they never said. Instead, if the post is that reprehensible simply share the post. The problem with that is that he was quoting the Bible which says the fearful shall not inherit the kingdom.

I consider that to be slander. Give us word for word what he said without you twisting the words in the most devilish way possible.

Also I was unable to find any post of his on this thread using the word "screaming".
I told you. I have receipts. I'm not mischaracterizing anything
 

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SomeDisciple

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One reason you have no credibility is the way you ascribe words to people they never said. Instead, if the post is that reprehensible simply share the post. The problem with that is that he was quoting the Bible which says the fearful shall not inherit the kingdom.

I consider that to be slander. Give us word for word what he said without you twisting the words in the most devilish way possible.
I was conceptually correct, but actually, I kinda paraphrased too; it wasn't a quote. Maybe I should have quoted. The quotes actually sound way more brutal. Maybe I was being too soft?

This is actually what Jesus said,
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

and then this verse in revelation; which is from the One seated on the throne.
The one who overcomes will inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son.
But to the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and sexually immoral and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death.”
 

Dude653

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I was conceptually correct, but actually, I kinda paraphrased too; it wasn't a quote. Maybe I should have quoted. The quotes actually sound way more brutal. Maybe I was being too soft?

This is actually what Jesus said,
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

and then this verse in revelation; which is from the One seated on the throne.
The one who overcomes will inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son.
But to the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and sexually immoral and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death.”
Maybe you have a room temperature IQ and that's why you think it's a woman's fault that she gets raped
Maybe you also have a room temperature IQ for thinking that a woman having a fear reaction to being raped equates to cowardice
 

SomeDisciple

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Maybe you have a room temperature IQ and that's why you think it's a woman's fault that she gets raped
Maybe you also have a room temperature IQ for thinking that a woman having a fear reaction to being raped equates to cowardice
Maybe not. Maybe I don't think it's a woman's fault she gets raped, or think that having a fear reaction equates to being a coward. Maybe that's just what you think I'm saying because you have a room temperature-with no furnace in the winter IQ. Or that's just what you want people to think I'm saying so you're saying something similar but different and saying that's what I'm saying because you have a lake of fire temperature IQ, and know that some people will believe it because it sounds similar.
 

Dude653

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Maybe not. Maybe I don't think it's a woman's fault she gets raped, or think that having a fear reaction equates to being a coward. Maybe that's just what you think I'm saying because you have a room temperature-with no furnace in the winter IQ. Or that's just what you want people to think I'm saying so you're saying something similar but different and saying that's what I'm saying because you have a lake of fire temperature IQ, and know that some people will believe it because it sounds similar.
You said what you said. I have receipts
 

ZNP

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I told you. I have receipts. I'm not mischaracterizing anything
If you willfully submit to sexual assault, what does that mean? If that is a reference to the adulterous woman sleeping with some guy and then when she is caught and claims it was rape, then the woman should be charged, not the man.

If this means the man is holding a gun to her head then obviously it is rape. Show me the gun and you will easily get a conviction.

I don't know what he means by willfully submit. If he said "submit to sexual assault" that sounds like the gun is to your head. But willfully, I have no idea what this means. So instead of assuming what it means and using words he never used, simply ask him to clarify what it is he is referring to. Also we are told in the book of revelation that the fearful will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. That is a Bible verse. But you didn't say that, you said he said she was going to hell. Once again, you put words into his mouth he never said.

You are the deceitful one.

Ask him to clarify what he meant rather than insinuate the ugliest and worst possible interpretation.