No, the earth is not flat.

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Cameron143

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Moses_Young said:
My position on volcanoes is why would I care? I don't live near one and wouldn't want to... I guess they could be portals to hell, or they could be due to plate tectonics... I just don't see the workings of them as important. Maybe if I had more time, or there was a benefit to better understand, I would examine more.
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I understand this position. I take it on a number of issues. But I don't take this position on subjects I propagate.
I recognize it is a tangential issue. But it only represents one of a multitude of questions I would want answered, not the extent of my questions. If you can't answer the first question, why would I accept your position? I don't even have enough information to evaluate it.
 
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Cameron143 said:
I understand this position. I take it on a number of issues. But I don't take this position on subjects I propagate.
I recognize it is a tangential issue. But it only represents one of a multitude of questions I would want answered, not the extent of my questions. If you can't answer the first question, why would I accept your position? I don't even have enough information to evaluate it.
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Like I said, this thread is about the shape of the Earth, not volcanoes. I might accept a mechanic's opinion about my car, but I might not take his medical advice. Because he's an expert in cars doesn't mean he knows about the body. And vice versa - I might not trust advice my doctor gives me about my car. I know the Earth is flat, but that doesn't mean I know about the workings and causes of volcanoes or earthquakes. Unless you think there's some sort of link between the shape of the Earth and volcanoes or earthquakes, I think you're embarking down a moot point.
 
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Moses_Young said:
Like I said, this thread is about the shape of the Earth, not volcanoes. I might accept a mechanic's opinion about my car, but I might not take his medical advice. Because he's an expert in cars doesn't mean he knows about the body. And vice versa - I might not trust advice my doctor gives me about my car. I know the Earth is flat, but that doesn't mean I know about the workings and causes of volcanoes or earthquakes. Unless you think there's some sort of link between the shape of the Earth and volcanoes or earthquakes, I think you're embarking down a moot point.
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You are talking apples and oranges. The explanation for hurricanes is related to the earth's shape. So are questions about earth cycles, and a plethora of other subjects. These aren't oranges. They are different aspects of the same topic.
At any rate, I have enjoyed the conversation. Grace and peace.
 
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Moses_Young said:
Nope. It is blue. But you believe the Earth is a giant ball, so I can understand you don't want to believe the sky is blue.
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The sky is sometimes blue, but it cannot said to be always blue. You promote a partial truth and refuse the actual truth of
the matter based on actual facts. But you believe the Earth is flat, so I can understand you don't want to believe the truth.
 
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Dino246 said:
An illustration that is irrelevant to the point is useless for explaining the point. Cognitive dissonance is also irrelevant here. Moses provided an illustration in a vain attempt to refute my point. Clearly he didn’t understand my point because his illustration was completely irrelevant and therefore useless. I can provide an illustration of a duck to explain the difference between a verse and a chorus, it would similarly be quite irrelevant and therefore useless.
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What's your take on volcanos and earthquakes? Do they really matter in the shape of earth, or is this proof of a ball earth?

Just curious, because it seems Moses and I both agree, that it really doesn't relate to the thread.
 
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kinda said:
What's your take on volcanos and earthquakes? Do they really matter in the shape of earth, or is this proof of a ball earth?

Just curious, because it seems Moses and I both agree, that it really doesn't relate to the thread.
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You both missed my point. The point wasn't an explanation of volcanoes and earthquakes. They are but a few of the phenomena that happen regularly on earth. Say what you want about ball earth theory, but it has explanations for these occurrences. It explains ocean currents, tides, the hydrologic, rock, nitrogen, and carbon cycles. It accounts for time, seasons and planetary motion. It explains wind patterns and why different landforms cause different weather and climate conditions.
So all I was doing was asking was simply...how do flat earth or concave earth answer such questions? I have way more questions, but can't find anyone who believes in flat earth or concave earth to answer.
Unlike some here, I have no interest in belittling people's explanations. I'd just like to hear a few.
 
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kinda said:
What's your take on volcanos and earthquakes? Do they really matter in the shape of earth, or is this proof of a ball earth?

Just curious, because it seems Moses and I both agree, that it really doesn't relate to the thread.
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Both are related to plate tectonics, and I agree: it's irrelevant to the thread, though I can't see how one can make sense of plate tectonics or mountains or folded layers of rock or the flood on a flat earth.
 
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Cameron143 said:
You both missed my point. The point wasn't an explanation of volcanoes and earthquakes. They are but a few of the phenomena that happen regularly on earth. Say what you want about ball earth theory, but it has explanations for these occurrences. It explains ocean currents, tides, the hydrologic, rock, nitrogen, and carbon cycles. It accounts for time, seasons and planetary motion. It explains wind patterns and why different landforms cause different weather and climate conditions.
So all I was doing was asking was simply...how do flat earth or concave earth answer such questions? I have way more questions, but can't find anyone who believes in flat earth or concave earth to answer.
Unlike some here, I have no interest in belittling people's explanations. I'd just like to hear a few.
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real volcanoes that form rock are probably chemical reaction in the earth. lava is hollywood
 
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Zandar said:
real volcanoes that form rock are probably chemical reaction in the earth. lava is hollywood
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The type of flow from a volcano is determined by the makeup of it. It can be highly explosive or a steady flow. So both are true.
 
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I sure wish republicans and flat earthers would quit claiming the name of God. You're really bearing false witness, and are the reason many in this day are denying God.

And no, I'm not embarrassed by Jesus. I'm embarrassed by YOU.
 
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JTB said:
I sure wish republicans and flat earthers would quit claiming the name of God. You're really bearing false witness, and are the reason many in this day are denying God.

And no, I'm not embarrassed by Jesus. I'm embarrassed by YOU.
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Why wish when you could pray. Maybe you could alter your approach to something similar to that of 2 Timothy 2:24-26.
 
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Cameron143 said:
You both missed my point. The point wasn't an explanation of volcanoes and earthquakes. They are but a few of the phenomena that happen regularly on earth. Say what you want about ball earth theory, but it has explanations for these occurrences. It explains ocean currents, tides, the hydrologic, rock, nitrogen, and carbon cycles. It accounts for time, seasons and planetary motion. It explains wind patterns and why different landforms cause different weather and climate conditions.
So all I was doing was asking was simply...how do flat earth or concave earth answer such questions? I have way more questions, but can't find anyone who believes in flat earth or concave earth to answer.
Unlike some here, I have no interest in belittling people's explanations. I'd just like to hear a few.
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I'm not an expert in all the things you mentioned, but I don't believe the theories behind them are any different between Flat Earth and ball-Earth, other than for time, seasons and planetary motion. On a Flat Earth, the other items are readily explained by the same theories you believe depend on ball-Earth. Happy to discuss if you believe I'm wrong here - it may be evidence supporting ball-Earth for you, and if so, means more research for me to understand how it would work on a Flat Earth.

With regards to time and seasons, the sun is traveling about the Equator (between the Tropics), which is the reason for the seasons. As the sun completes an orbit every day, it eventually reaches a distance at which its light is obscured by the atmosphere, which is when night falls at that point. As the sun returns to the same point, it comes to where it's light is no longer obscured, and there is a new dawn. The planetary motions are simply as observed - stars traveling in the wrong direction. The book of Enoch speaks of these stars as rebellious ones (I believe) - hence the reason for the wrong directions, but I reserve my decision on this (I like the idea and it does make sense to me, but I'm not fully convinced on the legitimacy of the book of Enoch).
 
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JTB said:
I sure wish republicans and flat earthers would quit claiming the name of God. You're really bearing false witness, and are the reason many in this day are denying God.

And no, I'm not embarrassed by Jesus. I'm embarrassed by YOU.
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I sure wish people would stop assuming this is an Americans-only forum. The rest of the world doesn’t relate to your narrow political views and certainly doesn’t care to have them imposed upon every discussion.
 
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