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FollowHisSteps

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no, you are not all ears.
I have already told you today- it is NOT about the verses. it is about the WORDS in the verses, and their meanings, a lot of which you deny.
you cannot properly identify sin while at the same time ignoring the definition of sin.
keep moving the goalpost all you want, keep calling the language the N.T. was written in a " philosophy ", keep saying that Paul and James's words are suggestions, what very little credibility you have is going down the drain.
You need to quote the verses you are talking about or else you are saying nothing.
I quoted you verses and situations upon which I find Gods teaching.

As you can quote nothing, you do not have the teaching of God just your man made ideas
which you dare not expose to scrutiny.
 

mailmandan

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Amen, this is the will of God, to walk in His ways and to repent of sins when we fail.
There is a difference between doing God's will IN ORDER TO BECOME SAVED: John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

AND

Doing God's will AFTER WE HAVE BEEN SAVED: 1 Thessalonians 5:14 - Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all. 15 See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all. 16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

Proverbs 24:16 - For a righteous man may fall seven times And rise again, But the wicked shall fall by calamity. Genuine believers who have truly repented exhibit the fruit of repentance (Acts 26:20) which is not falling and never getting back up.
 

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There is a difference between doing God's will IN ORDER TO BECOME SAVED: John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

AND

Doing God's will AFTER WE HAVE BEEN SAVED: 1 Thessalonians 5:14 - Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all. 15 See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all. 16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

Proverbs 24:16 - For a righteous man may fall seven times And rise again, But the wicked shall fall by calamity. Genuine believers who have truly repented exhibit the fruit of repentance (Acts 26:20) which is not falling and never getting back up.
Obviously we obey because we love Jesus and love His ways, it is a reflection of the work
He has done in us and continues to do, Amen.
 

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which you dare not expose to scrutiny.
Like the scrutiny we put you under for your deception PETER, and your altering of posts that you don't like?

There's a perfect word that describes you. It starts with an "hy" and ends with "pocrite".
 

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You know....it is biblical to what one peddles when it comes to fraudulent gospels.....Faith plus anything to gain, keep or maintain a losable salvation is not, I REPEAT...Is not a biblical gospel that has power to save......the MANY that get cast peddle the same thing that ALL WORKERS FOR, SALVATION LOSERS, PHARISEES AND CAINOLOGISTS PEDDLE.......Galatians is clear....faith plus = gospel of a different kind than that which Paul preached, is double cursed, has no power, corrupts the true gospel and thise that believe it are fools and bewitched according to the bible......this is the truth!!
Argueless seems to be one who teaches we are not yet saved, but will be when Jesus returns.

Why else won't he answer that simple question?
 

mailmandan

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Obviously we obey because we love Jesus and love His ways, it is a reflection of the work. He has done in us and continues to do, Amen.
We love Him because He first loved us. (1 John 4:19) Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us. (Romans 5:5) Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. He who does not love does not know God, for God is love. (1 John 4:7-8)
 

FollowHisSteps

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I have read when some read the 10 commandments and the sermon on the mount they feel conviction
of sin.

It is not so much as having to define sin but the word of God works like a double edged sword.

12 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double--edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
Hebrews 4:12-13

It is hard for sinners, because if they read Gods word and His light shines on their hearts,
they know how to get right before God. As conviction fell on Nineveh to repent under Jonahs
preaching, so it is with all who desire to seek mercy and restitution with the Father.

My heart rejoices at Gods precepts and truth of walking in His ways is the way of love and life.
 

FollowHisSteps

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Like the scrutiny we put you under for your deception PETER, and your altering of posts that you don't like?
There's a perfect word that describes you. It starts with an "hy" and ends with "pocrite".
God bless you, and may you find peace in our Lord Jesus Christ, the one we follow and listen to
Amen.
 

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Argueless, are you, at this very moment, saved?

Yes or no.

Very simple question.
Wether you like it or not, i have already answered your question. I will give an account to God for every word i have said and for every things I have done and He will judge me, NOT YOU. He will SAVE ME, NOT YOU or myself.

...If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is CONCEITED and UNDERSTANDS NOTHING. He has an unhealthy interest in CONTROVERSIES and QUARRELS ABOUT WORDS that result in envy, strife, MALICIOUS TALK, EVIL SUSPICIONS and CONSTANT FRICTION between men of CORRUPT MIND, who have been ROBBED OF THE TRUTH and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. 1 Timothy 6:3-5 Love of Money

...And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. “And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. “Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come! If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. Matthew 18:3-9

... Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because he who has suffered in his body is done with sin. As a result, he does not live the rest of his earthly life for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God. For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry. They think it strange that you do not plunge with them into the same flood of dissipation, and they heap abuse on you. But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to men in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit. 1 Peter 4:1-6 Living for God

...and that in this matter no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. The Lord will punish men for all such sins, as we have already told you and warned you. 1 Thessalonians 4:6

...They think it strange that you do not plunge with them into the same flood of dissipation, and they heap abuse on you. But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to men in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit. The end of all things is near. Therefore be clear minded and self-controlled so that you can pray. Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins. Offer hospitality to one another without grumbling. Each one should use whatever gift he has received to serve others, faithfully administering God’s grace in its various forms. If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very words of God. If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Peter 4:1-11
 

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Argueless seems to be one who teaches we are not yet saved, but will be when Jesus returns.

Why else won't he answer that simple question?
Yes, they were saved. The Bible says all who were there were believers. As I've said many times, God does chastise His children, even to the point of taking them home, but they can never be lost.

At the moment of conversion, one is saved forever. Even if they walk away later. They couldn't go to hell if they tried. If salvation is truly a gift, and grace actually unmerited, this has to be so.
So, Is LYING TO THE HOLY SPIRIT, sowing to please the Spirit? I mean, do you please THE SPIRIT by lying to Him?

...LET GOD BE TRUE...

...GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED...
 
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Argueless seems to be one who teaches we are not yet saved, but will be when Jesus returns.

Why else won't he answer that simple question?
He ia not the only one that believes that garbage.....several peddle that blather......and Fran believed it as well....!!
 
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no, you are not all ears.

I have already told you today- it is NOT about the verses. it is about the WORDS in the verses, and their meanings, a lot of which you deny.

you cannot properly identify sin while at the same time ignoring the definition of sin.

keep moving the goalpost all you want, keep calling the language the N.T. was written in a " philosophy ", keep saying that Paul and James's words are suggestions, what very little credibility you have is going down the drain.
He lost all credibility as Peter....now having been back twice under new banners....the blather remains the same........
 
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Like the scrutiny we put you under for your deception PETER, and your altering of posts that you don't like?

There's a perfect word that describes you. It starts with an "hy" and ends with "pocrite".
Amen.....from two Greek words......
 

Argueless

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He ia not the only one that believes that garbage.....several peddle that blather......and Fran believed it as well....!!
And you cannot give your stance about lying to the Holy Spirit because it will prove your doctrine as FALSE and DECEPTIVE.
 
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And you cannot give your stance about lying to the Holy Spirit because it will prove your doctrine as FALSE and DECEPTIVE.
You have nothing on me pal...and the above false accusation is par for the course with your deception and sinful ways....make no mistake pal....not only is what you peddle false, it is also soaked with Catholic dogma....and on top of that....you cannot even obey the rules of CC much less your working for, self saving Jesus devaluing false gospel!!!! People banned and back again state clearly that they have no honesty and or integrity!!
 

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5 For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge;
6 and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness;
7 and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love.
8 For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 But if anyone does not have them, he is nearsighted and blind, and has forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins.
10 Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall,
11 and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
2 Peter 1:5-11

This is quite a promise - For if you do these things, you will never fall,

Are any of the things listed above impossible?
And what is the thing we must do to achieve these attributes?

Make every effort

This is a choice and takes focus and dedication.
And strangely Peter is also declaring about making our calling and election sure.

This suggests we might be false and deceived, we might have failed.
Peter walked for 3 years with Judas and did not think he would betray Jesus.

The truth is our election is sure in Christ and the cross and our hearts testify to its
reality, and our walk shines out the work He has done in us. But part of His nature
is meekness, humbleness, which never assumes and always is gracious and knows
we walk under His grace and love, and forgiveness, unworthy yet lifted up, poor yet
made rich, lost yet found, dead yet made alive in Him. Amen.
 

FollowHisSteps

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thought belief

Are we saved because we believe without anything else changing?
Is this anything more than thinking Jesus is God?
Maybe these people should be called "thought Christians"

13 The Lord says: "These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men.
Isaiah 29:13

1 Why does the way of the wicked prosper? Why do all the faithless live at ease?
2 You have planted them, and they have taken root; they grow and bear fruit. You are always on their lips but far from their hearts.
3 Yet you know me, O LORD; you see me and test my thoughts about you. Drag them off like sheep to be butchered! Set them apart for the day of slaughter!
Jeremiah 12:1-3

4 Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice!
5 Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near.
6 Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.
Philippians 4:4-6

21 In him our hearts rejoice, for we trust in his holy name.
22 May your unfailing love rest upon us, O LORD, even as we put our hope in you
Psalm 33:21-22

If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.
Luke 9:23