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So It appears you are you saying water baptism is required for forgiveness of sin.
How does it appear?
"And the obvious thing is so we can be forgiven of our sins, which is then sealed with the Holy Spirit."
Your conclusion is your conclusion, because I did not link forgiveness of sins to baptism.
My understanding is baptism is the celebration of the forgiveness of sins we have through the death and resurrection of Jesus. But before the cross it was the symbolism of the cross in shadow form.
It appears God wanted the people to be cleansed ready to receive Jesus, the relationship. It was a common miss-conception that salvation was based on a righteous walk, when the relationship is the righteousness, the walk is its reflection.
You seem fascinated with "yes" "no" questions over complex issues.
And reading in things is dangerous, asking is much better.
How does it appear?
"And the obvious thing is so we can be forgiven of our sins, which is then sealed with the Holy Spirit."
Your conclusion is your conclusion, because I did not link forgiveness of sins to baptism.
My understanding is baptism is the celebration of the forgiveness of sins we have through the death and resurrection of Jesus. But before the cross it was the symbolism of the cross in shadow form.
It appears God wanted the people to be cleansed ready to receive Jesus, the relationship. It was a common miss-conception that salvation was based on a righteous walk, when the relationship is the righteousness, the walk is its reflection.
You seem fascinated with "yes" "no" questions over complex issues.
And reading in things is dangerous, asking is much better.
Much of what I know of heresies within the church has been acquired in the years that I've been on Christian Chat. Typically persons who are in churches that are doctrinally strong won't have knowledge of them unless their church works to familiarize their congregation with common heresies.
In cases such as this one she refused to clearly state her position because she knew what would happen.
Don't expect it to become the norm. It takes a lot more time to do it that way.
In cases such as this one she refused to clearly state her position because she knew what would happen.
Don't expect it to become the norm. It takes a lot more time to do it that way.
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You live in an echo chamber.
Skin deep christians, easy believism, nominal faith is rampant.
One important way to emphasise the commitment of a believer to walk with Jesus all their life is to declare this.
In a marriage ceremony you pledge to death do us part. Is that then saying your love is not strong enough to last
till we die, or to show the importance this relationship has to you?
So I celebrate the commitment and enthusiasm all have for Jesus. Clearly certain aspects for you invalidate the faith.
Is that not adding to faith and its conditions.
So I saw what he wrote and I say amen to dedication and love for Christ.
Skin deep christians, easy believism, nominal faith is rampant.
One important way to emphasise the commitment of a believer to walk with Jesus all their life is to declare this.
In a marriage ceremony you pledge to death do us part. Is that then saying your love is not strong enough to last
till we die, or to show the importance this relationship has to you?
So I celebrate the commitment and enthusiasm all have for Jesus. Clearly certain aspects for you invalidate the faith.
Is that not adding to faith and its conditions.
So I saw what he wrote and I say amen to dedication and love for Christ.
I do not reject any scripture. You do. Basically I agree that once we are saved we are always saved, but at the same time I am aware it is possible to backslide, while you deny this, so opening the door to any sort of lifestyle that is not pleasing to God. I feel that while it is fairly common, at least on the internet, none-the-less it has the makings of a dangerous heresy. The Bible tells us to live a righteous life, that is pleasing to God.
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your words
To reiterate, in your own words concerning acts 2 passage
so we can be forgiven of our sins, which is then sealed with the Holy Spirit
so, if you believe water baptism is the baptism in acts 2. You pretty much said water baptism is required. However. Unlike some. I do mot want to assume so I ask
yet here you are still beating around the bush
that’s why I asked yes or no. Like you and @dccontoversial and @Oncefallen asked that lady last night. Yes or no
Why are people afraid of yes and no answers?
Which is why I have asked numerous times and why I try to show you what I see so you can understand why I aske the question
I thought that was part of discussion
To reiterate, in your own words concerning acts 2 passage
so we can be forgiven of our sins, which is then sealed with the Holy Spirit
so, if you believe water baptism is the baptism in acts 2. You pretty much said water baptism is required. However. Unlike some. I do mot want to assume so I ask
yet here you are still beating around the bush
that’s why I asked yes or no. Like you and @dccontoversial and @Oncefallen asked that lady last night. Yes or no
Why are people afraid of yes and no answers?
Which is why I have asked numerous times and why I try to show you what I see so you can understand why I aske the question
I thought that was part of discussion
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You seem to contradict yourself with every turn
the man stated if he did not do those thing he would lose salvation. And although the person was once saved they are now headed to hell. Unless they repent again
Can you understand the difference between justification by works. And sanctification by trusting God to grow you?
the man stated if he did not do those thing he would lose salvation. And although the person was once saved they are now headed to hell. Unless they repent again
Can you understand the difference between justification by works. And sanctification by trusting God to grow you?
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It is a question why God wants us to be baptised on coming to faith?
I just obey, because the Lords ways I will follow.
The strange place I am in, is if you say I am baptised without faith or repentance am I forgiven, I would say no.
If one says, I have come to faith in Jesus, repented of my sins, I would then say, amen, get baptised because your sins are forgiven.
Thats where I am on this subject. The reason I raised this subject because John called people to make their paths straight yet some deny its possible. If its not possible, why preach it and why did God send a unique human like no other, full of the Holy Spirit from birth.
I just obey, because the Lords ways I will follow.
The strange place I am in, is if you say I am baptised without faith or repentance am I forgiven, I would say no.
If one says, I have come to faith in Jesus, repented of my sins, I would then say, amen, get baptised because your sins are forgiven.
Thats where I am on this subject. The reason I raised this subject because John called people to make their paths straight yet some deny its possible. If its not possible, why preach it and why did God send a unique human like no other, full of the Holy Spirit from birth.
Sorry I am not discussing what a third party said or did not say and my reaction or not to that statement.
None of this is productive and is not what I have read, so lets finish it there.
As I stated before if we cannot agree a level of interaction, there is no point.
God bless you.
None of this is productive and is not what I have read, so lets finish it there.
As I stated before if we cannot agree a level of interaction, there is no point.
God bless you.
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, O like you mean believe like satan , yes I see that ...Wouldn't it of been wonderful if God had called Hitler to the cross , but hey , out of that ugly demon satan and his puppet Hitler , after many Jews were killed , God brought back His children to Israel...