Back to the beginning... the point of eternal salvation.
That is believing on Jesus Christ. Admitting you are a sinner, headed for hell. Believing Jesus is God, that He can give you eternal life, forgive your sin. Then asking for salvation.
Obedience REQUIRED
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Back to the beginning... the point of eternal salvation.
That is believing on Jesus Christ. Admitting you are a sinner, headed for hell. Believing Jesus is God, that He can give you eternal life, forgive your sin. Then asking for salvation.
You must be a jackdonkey.
I suggest you start with Galatians 5:19-23 and ask the Lord to manifest His character through you.
Now... would you like to answer the question I asked, or would you like to continue in the attitude you demonstrated in your response?
Then after that continue living in sin telling everybody we are born sinners and could never stop sinning?
This is what many are doing.
It's gotten to the point where there's no much difference between Christians and sinners out in the world that reject the Lord.
If Christianity were made illegal, charges would be dropped against most Christians due to a lack of evidence that they are actually Christians! No wonder the world wants nothing to do with Christianity!
OK so we have our first contestant who is saying we can live in disobedience and still be saved.
Bottom line here is Jesus is the author of eternal salvation ONLY to them that obey Him.
Those that disobey the Lord are living in obedience to the devil.
Romans 6:16 states: "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"
You need to learn ASAP that disobedience is death and death is being separated from the Lord
Yeah, the devil is telling them this and they accept it.
Hosea 4:6 says, “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.” It adds that because they rejected knowledge and forgot God’s law, God would reject them and “forget thy children.”
Proverbs 29:18 says: "Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he." (that would be the Law of Christ under the New Covenant)
Pilgrimshope knows what's going on!
Yeah, satan's lies are seeds that people receive which causes them to be separated from the Lord.
And the fake grace people claim it's not possible to be separated from the Lord after being born again which is explains why these people think they can live like the old devil and still be saved.
Well no one is sinless after being converted, but the Holy Spirit will spur His sons and daughters on, so usually you won't see someone who believed continue in persistent sinning.
I see you are new here. If you had spent much time at all on this forum you would know how wrong your evaluation of Dino is.
But you have been spraying your attitude all over the forum, so even without your offhand dismissal we can tell what kind of person you are, and how much to ignore you.
For the record you are so incredibly wrong about Dino that anybody who knows him will automatically laugh at you for such a ludicrous assessment.
I'mma go pop some more popcorn and sit down to watch the show!
Yeah, it's too bad that even through the power of God's Word and the Holy Spirit it's not possible to stop sinning.
Jesus said all things are possible to him that believes and with God all things are possible but Jesus wasn't trained under reformed theology so some think Jesus is in error and needs to enroll in a reformed seminary so He can get up to speed with reality, right?
I don't follow reformed theology. Romans 6 talks about having grace and then why sin because of the grace given?
Then it goes on to talk about the battle between flesh and the Spirit.
Believers should go on to faithfulness in their walk, but the battle remains.
Been hanging out at the alter of this Dino guy, huh? Reminds me of "I am of Paul; and I of Apollos" referring to a division among early Christians in Corinth who were being carnal minded.
Your guy asked "Obedience to what, exactly? You say "obedient to the Lord", so I'm presuming you mean to His instructions and commandments in Scripture. So... which ones, precisely?"
He's either a baby Christian or he's preparing to argue that Christians can walk in disobedience and still be saved.
I'll let you fellas work that out among your own selves.
Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place - 2 Corinthians 2:14
Fallacy: chronological error. Proverbs 29 MUST refer to the law given at Sinai, not to the law of Christ.
“Yeah, the devil is telling them this and they accept it.“
mmhm the false teachers just like the ot false prophets …..
“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.”
2 Peter 2:1-2 KJV
Yes a lack of the right knowledge and instead accepting the wrong knowledge
My reference was to the seed's capability to ONLY bring forth after itself.
God's seed, from whom Christians have been reborn, cannot bring forth liars, thieves, or adulterers.
Yeah...too bad, huh ?
They give Jesus and His church a bad name/reputation.
Ep 4 29 I believe. You could break that down to mean "insults also." Some do praise GOD get Stuck on the word "obey." I think you missed what Heb 5:9 was talking about. What Christ did.. oh praise GOD glory to Jesus....yet you focus on "obey". Ok
In the New Testament, obedience is often used as a synonym for belief, as in obeying the truth.
1 Peter 1:22, "And they have not all obeyed the gospel," Romans 10:16. We are no longer slaves to sin. We've been set free. But as Paul said, "It is no longer I that sin, but sin that is in me." The flesh has not been changed yet. It loves to sin. If I say I have no sin, I deceive myself, and the truth is not in me. For by grace I am saved through faith not obedience, not works. Back to Eph I put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness, and I'm renewed in the spirit of my mind. I put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Salvation is John 3:16, Romans 10:9-10. Jesus said to them years later, "if you love me, you'll keep my words or obey me." The obedience for me is a fruit. It comes from Christ, who is the vine. I'm just the branch. He started a good work in me. He will finish it. Well, if you disagree with this, praise God. Leave it at that.
@ScooterJackson and @Freed18 - Thanks for standing up for God and what He says. This forum talks so much about being unable to stop sinning that people don't even try to obey God on being holy and perfect as He is holy and perfect.
God had brought those commands to my attention and I actually got nervous if I could obey Him on it. Both of you joined this forum at the right time - at least for me - about obeying these two commands. You are both right, if God commands us of these two, that means He thinks it is possible for us through His Holy Spirit.
So I'm excited to obey them now! I find in obeying God I understand more about such commands and how easy it gets through the Holy Spirit.
God had brought those commands to my attention and I actually got nervous if I could obey Him on it. Both of you joined this forum at the right time - at least for me - about obeying these two commands. You are both right, if God commands us of these two, that means He thinks it is possible for us through His Holy Spirit.
So I'm excited to obey them now! I find in obeying God I understand more about such commands and how easy it gets through the Holy Spirit.
Want to know what sin really is?
Don't even think the thought that the ten words define the totality of sin.
Mark 7:21-22
For from within, out of the hearts of people, come the evil thoughts, acts of sexual immorality, thefts, murders,
acts of adultery, deeds of greed, wickedness, deceit, indecent behavior, envy, slander, pride, and foolishness.
Romans 1:29-32
People having been filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, and evil; full of envy, murder, strife,
deceit, and malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil,
disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unfeeling, and unmerciful; and although they
know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same,
but also approve of those who practice them.
Galatians 5:19-21
Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities,
strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things
like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not
inherit the kingdom of God.
Colossians 5:6-9
Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire,
and greed, which amounts to idolatry. For it is because of these things that the wrath of God will come upon
the sons of disobedience, and in them you also once walked, when you were living in them. But now you also,
put them all aside: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive speech from your mouth. Do not lie to one another,
since you laid aside the old self with its evil practices.
Ephesians 4:31
Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice.
Ephesians 5:3-5
But among you, as is proper among the saints, there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any
kind of impurity, or of greed. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk, or crude joking, which are out of
character, but rather thanksgiving. For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure, or greedy person (that is,
an idolater) has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves,
nor the greedy, nor those habitually drunk, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
2 Timothy 3:1-4
But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money,
boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious
gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather
than lovers of God, holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power. Avoid such men as these.