Obedience & righteousness - extreme grace version

[PeacefulWarrior]

Who is "he," and why are you judging a person as a non-believer in the Word of God?

"non-believer in the Word of God" are your words, JaumeJ--not his.

 

[Grace777x70]

Who is "he," and why are you judging a person as a non-believer in the Word of God?

HeRose has another gospel then the grace of Christ..I don't know what you believe but we have had months of hearing HeRose's false gospel so we know what he believes...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Who is "he," and why are you judging a person as a non-believer in the Word of God?

If Jesus Christ came to save all mankind starting with His own people, and I believe He did, why are there so many who say Jesus was talking only to the Jews and not to Gentiles when He taught them the Gospel?

All I can do is shake my head.. And I asked JJ who they were, and he got mad and gave me a sarcastic response


The do as I say not as I do crowd strike again!

 

[blessedjohn80]

Once more I will ask, in other words this time.

If Jesus Christ came to save all mankind starting with His own people, and I believe He did, why are there so many who say Jesus was talking only to the Jews and not to Gentiles when He taught them the Gospel?

Is there not only one Gospel?

Are we not made one flock with the original Flock? That is, by the Good Shapherd of course.

The Sermon on the Mount as it has come to be called, has been divided up by some as to apply only to the Jews. I find this troubling, perplexing and very sad, for I believe what Jesus Christ teaches, one Gospel for all mankind, beginning with the Jews.

I agree, though the reason for the division is in the interpretation of the true Gospel. What I believe to be the true gospel is that my salvation is secure. What is your interpretation of the true Gospel? Thanks. Peace

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

See this is the problem with false-grace: He received forgiveness once so he never needs to seek forgiveness again. The problem is, he kept defiling his conscience by the way he lived. False-grace believers deal with this conundrum by ignoring the conscience. That's the only way their skewed theology "works".

What is "FALSE-GRACE" ?

 

[Gr8grace]

I used to take what you said without criticism. No more. What you said regarding Greek may be technically correct (but I doubt it), but your conclusion is absurd. The very context of the 1 John 1:5-8 pericope proves that fellowship with GOD is conditional upon our walking in the light. Are you applying the same rule to 1 John 1:8 - since we say we have fellowship with GOD but walk in darkness, we are lying? Do you see how ridiculous your conclusion is?

Well look a little closer? Verse 6 presented the negative side and the believer being divorced from reality. Verse 7 presented the positive side.

So Angela is spot on in her conditional clause explanation of verse 7.

IF....And you are in verse 7.

 

[FreeNChrist]

OK, look at my post again, and maybe you will figure out that I believe there is one Gosple of Jesus Christ for all mankind, and if you want someone who mentions another, how about when you mentione "my gospel" to me, when I was putting forth the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

You certainly have a way with words young man.

IOW, he's another who throws the Apostle Paul under the bus in order to continue clinging to the Law.

 

[JaumeJ]

Guys he is just taking us for another merry-go-round ride...he just believes different things then what grace believers do....he has another gospel then the grace of Christ alone for salvation......don't take his "baiting".....it only leads to trouble...he is not going to believe the gospel until the Holy Spirit reveals it to him...hopefully his heart will be open to receive it.

Yes, I phrased what is in the post above in my own words but it is tantamount to the same, they are contained in the words posted above, calling "he" a not yet sealed by the Holy Spirit and not going to believe the gospel.......

I also paraphrase with understanding given by the Holy Spirit because I speak modern English, though becoming dated with my years......

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The publican asked for mercy for the kind of life he was living. Theoretically, he didn't stop living or cease to be a tax collector after he prayed that prayer. It was a continual stain on his conscience that required repeated cleansing.

See this is the problem with false-grace: He received forgiveness once so he never needs to seek forgiveness again. The problem is, he kept defiling his conscience by the way he lived. False-grace believers deal with this conundrum by ignoring the conscience. That's the only way their skewed theology "works".

Its is quite evident you have no understanding of what grace teachers believe.

Your continued attacks against them based on false premise and false accusations are getting to be old and tiring

Can I make a suggestion to you? Go ask a grace believer what he believes, stop listening to men who have led you astray and told you things which are not true about them.

Grace believers are dangerous and force a legalist to admit his sin, Thats why the legalist will make up so many things against a grace believer.

Just like the grace of God wil force them to hide sins, Wash down the law. Or ignore sin altogether, Because it forces them to be the publican, WHo continues to know he is unworthy, and will walk in that mindset, Always thankfull for the grace f God, which gives him the ability to be gratefull for th eone who saved them, and walk in a way worthy of his love.

 

[JaumeJ]

There is ample text in the Word supporting that one may lose what he thought he had if he goes back to his own vomit.
It is also touched upon in the Epistles, where it is written there is no hope for a man once having tasted...........etc....
Personally, as one who believes Jesus Christ, I do not like to discuss such matters, just as I do not like to elaborate on the one sin that may or may not be forgiven, that being the blaspheming of the Holy Spirit. I will not discuss this for it is a painful subject to contemplate for any soul. Think on all things beautiful whenever it is possible.

I agree, though the reason for the division is in the interpretation of the true Gospel. What I believe to be the true gospel is that my salvation is secure. What is your interpretation of the true Gospel? Thanks. Peace

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

HeRoseFromTheDead,

Why do you pretend to be a Christian?

Sincerely,
PW

This wasn't very nice.

I'm sorry.

 

[FreeNChrist]

The publican asked for mercy for the kind of life he was living. Theoretically, he didn't stop living or cease to be a tax collector after he prayed that prayer. It was a continual stain on his conscience that required repeated cleansing.

See this is the problem with false-grace: He received forgiveness once so he never needs to seek forgiveness again. The problem is, he kept defiling his conscience by the way he lived. False-grace believers deal with this conundrum by ignoring the conscience. That's the only way their skewed theology "works".

We Christians have received Jesus Christ once, and our forgiveness is in Him. We HAVE forgiveness because we have Jesus in whom is our forgiveness. Acts 10:43, Col. 1:14, Col. 2:13, Eph. 1:7, 1 John 2:12.

 

[PeterJens]

Grace believers "believe" in the finished work of Christ and we love to confess everything to the Father. We believe that the forgiveness of sins is "the gospel"

This is like saying, the gospel is going up to a sports team after a muddy match, when they are covered in dirt and saying here is a bath to make yourselves clean, and then saying you are clean, and then expecting them to go home without getting washed.

The statement means nothing unless people are actually cleaned and walk in being clean.
Just because your sins are forgiven, does not mean you will not sin again and be in the same mess again.
Of the 10 lepers healed only one came back to find out more about Jesus.

All christians believe in God's grace in sending Jesus to die for us upon the cross for the forgiveness of sins.
Where we differ is what that means and how we apply it to our lives.

I walk in the way of righteousness, along the paths of justice,
bestowing a rich inheritance on those who love me and making their treasuries full.
Prov 8:19-21

Follow God’s example, therefore, as dearly loved children and walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
Eph 5:1-2

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There is ample text in the Word supporting that one may lose what he thought he had if he goes back to his own vomit.
It is also touched upon in the Epistles, where it is written there is no hope for a man once having tasted...........etc....
Personally, as one who believes Jesus Christ, I do not like to discuss such matters, just as I do not like to elaborate on the one sin that may or may not be forgiven, that being the blaspheming of the Holy Spirit. I will not discuss this for it is a painful subject to contemplate for any soul. Think on all things beautiful whenever it is possible.

Romans 8:15
For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”

2 Timothy 1:7
For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.

Why fear? If you have the gospel of grace, God has not given you a spirit of fear. but of a sound mind, If your mind is so unsound your afraid to talk about things, Then I must ask if you have the spirit of god at all.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

There is ample text in the Word supporting that one may lose what he thought he had if he goes back to his own vomit.
It is also touched upon in the Epistles, where it is written there is no hope for a man once having tasted...........etc....
Personally, as one who believes Jesus Christ, I do not like to discuss such matters, just as I do not like to elaborate on the one sin that may or may not be forgiven, that being the blaspheming of the Holy Spirit. I will not discuss this for it is a painful subject to contemplate for any soul. Think on all things beautiful whenever it is possible.

Amen; so be it.

 

[JaumeJ]

The posting in this thread is beginning to remind me of a Vin Diesel Movie, though I have never actually seen one of his movies, I do see the previews on the tube.......

 

[posthuman]

OK, I want to hear you guys agree with the words of Jesus that only those who do the will of GOD will be saved.

Do you agree with this?

the work of God is that you believe in the Redeemer that He sent, and the will of God is that not one of those given to Christ will be lost, but by believing, they are saved from death and have eternal life. (re: John 6:29-30)

the will of God in Christ Jesus for us is that we rejoice at all times, giving thanks in everything and always praying. (re: 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18)

who can be always rejoicing and always giving thanks for what they are never sure they have received, and if they have received, are always anxious that they have not done enough to keep? who can say they believe on Christ, but not believe that He is able to keep them, and that He will not lose any of His sheep?

 

[JaumeJ]

Thank you for this..........

the work of God is that you believe in the Redeemer that He sent, and the will of God is that not one of those given to Christ will be lost, but by believing, they are saved from death and have eternal life. (re: John 6:29-30)

the will of God in Christ Jesus for us is that we rejoice at all times, giving thanks in everything and always praying. (re: 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18)

who can be always rejoicing and always giving thanks for what they are never sure they have received, and if they do believe they have received, are always anxious that they have not done enough to keep?

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Goodbye all.

 

[Grace777x70]

The "forgiveness of sins" that is in Jesus death and resurrection is the gospel. Don't fall for humanism that is trying to take you captive through philosophy and the traditions of men ( Col. 2:8 ).

Peter preached the gospel of the grace of Christ to Cornelius ...his exact words were recorded.

Acts 10:43-44 (NASB)
[SUP]43 [/SUP] "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."

[SUP]44 [/SUP] While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.

I love how the Holy Spirit "falls upon " them as soon as they hear about the forgiveness of sins proclaimed to them because of Christ!

Paul preached the gospel of grace here in the only recorded time in scripture.

Acts 13:38-39 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,


Make no mistake - the forgiveness of sins through Jesus blood is the gospel of the grace of Christ...all others are false.

This is how we walk out what is true in us if we remember that our sins were purged from us by the Lord.

2 Peter 1:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For he who lacks these qualities is blind or short-sighted, having forgotten his purification from his former sins.

Never forget that our sins are forgiven for His name's sake.