Matthew 13:36-43. Remember these are not my words but Jesus's Here I will copy the verses from Biblehub.com. Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
One taken,one left. The rapture.
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My comments on Matthew 13:36-43 The first thing I want to say is when God, Jesus give us the explanation of something, or tells us what a symbol or metaphor means we are not to change it. Verse 36. Jesus sends the multitude away and the disciples cam to Him and said " Jesus what did you mean by the parable of the wheat and the tears, please tell us." Verse 37. He Jesus answered them ( so if you want to disagree with this remember it is not me you disagree with but God Almighty Himself) He that soweth the good seed: the man that owned the field and by himself sowed the field. Is the Son of man. Who is the Son of man? Jesus. Verse 38. The field is the world period end of story. The good seed: [Seed # 4690 Strong's concordance sperma something sown, i.e. seed the male sperm.] We are not talking about a field of wheat and tares. We are talking about a world of people with 2 different Fathers the wheat the good seed the children of God and the bad seed the tares the children of Satan. There are only 2 types you are either on Gods team or Satan's team. There is no other teams on the field. In the world. You are either for Me, believe my word and willingly follow it or you are playing on Satan's team and fighting against me. Again the field is the WORLD! Verse 39. The enemy is the Devil, Satan, or what ever name is used for him in the bible they are all one in the same. The harvest is the end of the world period end of story. The reapers, angles those that The Man trusted to gather the tears shall gather out of His kingdom. Verse 40. The tares ae gathered by the reapers burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. And then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of there Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. Jesus dose not say that there shall be to men working in the field and one shell be taken by a rapture and the other left. He does say there shall be 2 type of children in the field (world) and the evil children shall be taken first and then we that are left shall shine forth in the kingdom of our Father. No rapture, no flying away, or anything like it does say in Zechariah that Jesus shall gather His children to himself on the Mt. of Olives when He returns to earth to set up His kingdom.
Amen, When studied Rightly Divided! ie:
Precious friend, as per above:
Part I
God’s PRE - TOJT Great GRACE Departure!:
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LORD JESUS, we beseech Thee Now For Thy Divine Understanding
In This Thy Most Important Doctrine For our Comfort And Consolation.
Amen. (1 Thessalonians 4:18)
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Time Of JACOB’s {Israel's} Trouble (TOJT), Ending With
The Second Coming, is found in God's Context:
God's Prophetic Program, Under LAW, gospel of the kingdom
(“ages” past/future) (Genesis-John; Hebrews-Revelation)
God’s “Earthly Kingdom” Purpose From “the foundation of the world”
(Matthew 25:34)
God's Purpose Prophesied “since the world began” (Luke 1:68-70; Acts 3:21!)
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:
Great GRACE Departure!
Pre-TOJT Resurrection/Departure of The Body Of CHRIST,
Ending God’s Age Of GRACE, Is Found In:
God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God!
{ Current = “But NOW!” } (Romans through Philemon!)
God’s “Heavenly Hidden” Purpose Before “the foundation of the world”
(Ephesians 1:4; 2 Timothy 1:9!)
God's Heavenly Purpose Kept Secret “since the world began”
(Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:4-11, 3:5-9!)
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The Second Coming, According to Prophecy:
(1) Immediately After tribulation/4 signs, CHRIST, In His
Prophesied Second Advent, As KING Of kings, And LORD Of lords,
Is Coming From Heaven! (Matthew 24:29; Revelation 19:16, 11!)
(2) CHRIST Is Coming On a white horse, With Crowns On
His Head, And A Sword In His Mouth! (Revelation 19:12-15)
(3) CHRIST Is Coming With, (which Were In Heaven!),
His armies * on white horses! (Revelation 19:12-15)
(4) CHRIST Is Coming To earth With ONE army, * “All Of His holy angels,”
In Order To Judge/Make war/Smite And Rule the nations…
(Matthew 25:31; Revelation 19:11, 15)
(5) With Another trumpet (AFTER "the 7th angel trumpet in heaven), on
the earth, Angels Are SENT, By The KING, TO: “gather the elect”...
(Matthew 24:31; Mark 13:27!)
(6)...for the “judgment of the Earthly Nations” By The Son of man, The King!
(Matthew 25:31-46!)
(7) Those Judged as righteous then enter the kingdom! And the UNrighteous
then Depart into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels!
(Matthew 25:34-46!)
to be continued...
Precious friend, as per above:
Part I
God’s PRE - TOJT Great GRACE Departure!:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
LORD JESUS, we beseech Thee Now For Thy Divine Understanding
In This Thy Most Important Doctrine For our Comfort And Consolation.
Amen. (1 Thessalonians 4:18)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Time Of JACOB’s {Israel's} Trouble (TOJT), Ending With
The Second Coming, is found in God's Context:
God's Prophetic Program, Under LAW, gospel of the kingdom
(“ages” past/future) (Genesis-John; Hebrews-Revelation)
God’s “Earthly Kingdom” Purpose From “the foundation of the world”
(Matthew 25:34)
God's Purpose Prophesied “since the world began” (Luke 1:68-70; Acts 3:21!)
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:
Great GRACE Departure!
Pre-TOJT Resurrection/Departure of The Body Of CHRIST,
Ending God’s Age Of GRACE, Is Found In:
God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God!
{ Current = “But NOW!” } (Romans through Philemon!)
God’s “Heavenly Hidden” Purpose Before “the foundation of the world”
(Ephesians 1:4; 2 Timothy 1:9!)
God's Heavenly Purpose Kept Secret “since the world began”
(Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:4-11, 3:5-9!)
-------------------
The Second Coming, According to Prophecy:
(1) Immediately After tribulation/4 signs, CHRIST, In His
Prophesied Second Advent, As KING Of kings, And LORD Of lords,
Is Coming From Heaven! (Matthew 24:29; Revelation 19:16, 11!)
(2) CHRIST Is Coming On a white horse, With Crowns On
His Head, And A Sword In His Mouth! (Revelation 19:12-15)
(3) CHRIST Is Coming With, (which Were In Heaven!),
His armies * on white horses! (Revelation 19:12-15)
(4) CHRIST Is Coming To earth With ONE army, * “All Of His holy angels,”
In Order To Judge/Make war/Smite And Rule the nations…
(Matthew 25:31; Revelation 19:11, 15)
(5) With Another trumpet (AFTER "the 7th angel trumpet in heaven), on
the earth, Angels Are SENT, By The KING, TO: “gather the elect”...
(Matthew 24:31; Mark 13:27!)
(6)...for the “judgment of the Earthly Nations” By The Son of man, The King!
(Matthew 25:31-46!)
(7) Those Judged as righteous then enter the kingdom! And the UNrighteous
then Depart into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels!
(Matthew 25:34-46!)
to be continued...
God’s PRE - TOJT Great GRACE Departure!:
Part II
God's Prophetic Program, and second earthly coming
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:
The Great GRACE Departure, According to The Heavenly Mystery!:
(1) Immediately After GRACE Has ENDED/ZERO signs!:
CHRIST, As Head Of His Body, The Church, Will Descend From
Heaven! (Ephesians 1:19-23; Colossians 1:18; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17!)
(2) CHRIST Is Coming With A Shout, With the voice of an archangel,
And With The Trump of God! (1 Thessalonians 4:16!)
3) God (JESUS CHRIST) Will Bring With Him {those who Were With
Him In Heaven}, part Of His Own, those who are “asleep In JESUS!”
(2 Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:21-23; 1 Thessalonians 4:13!)
(4) CHRIST Descends With One archangel, Will resurrect those
asleep {in 3)} First, and Then, we “which are alive and remain,” {which
Is A Mystery!}, will be changed/all “incorruptible, And Caught Up”
together to meet The LORD in the air, in the “twinkling of an eye!”
(1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 1 Corinthians 15:52-53!)
(5) CHRIST “Gathers His Body” To Himself, to Take them To Heaven...
(2 Thessalonians 2:1-3; 1 Corinthians 15:49; 2 Corinthians 12:2, 5:1-2;
Ephesians 1:3, 20, 2:6; Philippians 3:20; 2 Timothy 4:18!)
6)...For The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST, For HIS Heavenly Body,
By The Head Himself!... (Romans 2:6, 16, 14:10-12;
1 Corinthians 3:8-15, 4:5, 6:20; 2 Corinthians 5:10;
Ephesians 6:8; Colossians 3:24-25!)
(7a) ...After Judgment, the GRACE assembly Is Then Presented as
A Glorious Church, To CHRIST Himself!... (Ephesians 5:27!)
(7b) ...And, Then CHRIST Will Present His Body, holy and
unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, To His Father,
In Heaven, Where we Live * Forever And Ever! Amen!
(1 Thessalonians 3:13; Colossians 1:5, 22;
1 Corinthians 6:3; 2 Corinthians 5:1-2 KJB!)
* Note, The ONE army Of The Body Of CHRIST, Must "have been
assigned our Heavenly positions" for ruling and reigning! Amen?
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LORD JESUS, thank You so much for Your Precious BLOOD,
Gift Of Eternal Salvation, And for Your Blessed Hope of
Glorification When You Come To Finally Gather us Home! Amen.
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Please Be Very Richly Encouraged, Edified, And Comforted! And:
Precious friend(s), see you In God's Great GloryLand!! ♫ 😇 ↑
Part II
God's Prophetic Program, and second earthly coming
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:
The Great GRACE Departure, According to The Heavenly Mystery!:
(1) Immediately After GRACE Has ENDED/ZERO signs!:
CHRIST, As Head Of His Body, The Church, Will Descend From
Heaven! (Ephesians 1:19-23; Colossians 1:18; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17!)
(2) CHRIST Is Coming With A Shout, With the voice of an archangel,
And With The Trump of God! (1 Thessalonians 4:16!)
3) God (JESUS CHRIST) Will Bring With Him {those who Were With
Him In Heaven}, part Of His Own, those who are “asleep In JESUS!”
(2 Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:21-23; 1 Thessalonians 4:13!)
(4) CHRIST Descends With One archangel, Will resurrect those
asleep {in 3)} First, and Then, we “which are alive and remain,” {which
Is A Mystery!}, will be changed/all “incorruptible, And Caught Up”
together to meet The LORD in the air, in the “twinkling of an eye!”
(1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 1 Corinthians 15:52-53!)
(5) CHRIST “Gathers His Body” To Himself, to Take them To Heaven...
(2 Thessalonians 2:1-3; 1 Corinthians 15:49; 2 Corinthians 12:2, 5:1-2;
Ephesians 1:3, 20, 2:6; Philippians 3:20; 2 Timothy 4:18!)
6)...For The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST, For HIS Heavenly Body,
By The Head Himself!... (Romans 2:6, 16, 14:10-12;
1 Corinthians 3:8-15, 4:5, 6:20; 2 Corinthians 5:10;
Ephesians 6:8; Colossians 3:24-25!)
(7a) ...After Judgment, the GRACE assembly Is Then Presented as
A Glorious Church, To CHRIST Himself!... (Ephesians 5:27!)
(7b) ...And, Then CHRIST Will Present His Body, holy and
unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, To His Father,
In Heaven, Where we Live * Forever And Ever! Amen!
(1 Thessalonians 3:13; Colossians 1:5, 22;
1 Corinthians 6:3; 2 Corinthians 5:1-2 KJB!)
* Note, The ONE army Of The Body Of CHRIST, Must "have been
assigned our Heavenly positions" for ruling and reigning! Amen?
---------------------------------------------------------------
LORD JESUS, thank You so much for Your Precious BLOOD,
Gift Of Eternal Salvation, And for Your Blessed Hope of
Glorification When You Come To Finally Gather us Home! Amen.
---------------------------------------------------------
Please Be Very Richly Encouraged, Edified, And Comforted! And:
Precious friend(s), see you In God's Great GloryLand!! ♫ 😇 ↑
There will be NO glorified trip to heaven. Or the Bible would have made that clear in plain language.
Also, the Bible is clear that there will be ONE resurrection of the saved and ONE resurrection of the unsaved. Acts 24:15
The ONE resurrection will occur "when He comes", a reference to the Second Advent, in 1 Cor 15:23.
2 Thess 2:1 - Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,
Rev 20:5 - The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection.
This "first resurrection" includes Tribulation martyrs from v.4. Since there is ONE resurrection of the saved, and trib martyrs are saved, we know that ALL believers receive their glorified bodies when Jesus comes again at the Second Advent.
This is indefensible. The verses are very plainly written.
And, again, no verses that show Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.
Also, the Bible is clear that there will be ONE resurrection of the saved and ONE resurrection of the unsaved. Acts 24:15
The ONE resurrection will occur "when He comes", a reference to the Second Advent, in 1 Cor 15:23.
2 Thess 2:1 - Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,
Rev 20:5 - The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection.
This "first resurrection" includes Tribulation martyrs from v.4. Since there is ONE resurrection of the saved, and trib martyrs are saved, we know that ALL believers receive their glorified bodies when Jesus comes again at the Second Advent.
This is indefensible. The verses are very plainly written.
And, again, no verses that show Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.
FreeGrace2 said:
There is NOTHING about taking glorified believers to heaven.
That's good. The problem is that when the word is spoken or written, the vast majority of evangelicals think of a trip to heaven in a glorified body.
Yes, believers who are alive and remain til the coming of the Lord WILL BE caught up to the clouds.
There is NOTHING about taking glorified believers to heaven.
That's good. The problem is that when the word is spoken or written, the vast majority of evangelicals think of a trip to heaven in a glorified body.
Yes, believers who are alive and remain til the coming of the Lord WILL BE caught up to the clouds.
All you have done so far is deny the truth the scriptures provide.
You have provided no scripture that the coming of the Lord with the resurrection, rapture and destruction of the antichrist occurs before the tribulation.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
1Thessalonians 4:15
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
2 Thessalonians 2:8
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Matthew 24:29-30
JPT
we both agree Jesus comes postrib.
You add a rapture into it.
You have zero verses for your made up notion.
Rev 14:14 has Jesus coming during the gt and gathering the Jews.
That alone destroys your doctrine.
In YOUR doctrine you place a rapture at the white horses.
YOUR doctrine has the horses hovering in the clouds with Jesus mounted on a white horse. (no touching of the earth).
( ...rapture postrib but no feet on the earth).
Your doctrine also has the coming on horses, a LOCAL MIDEAST event, trying to place a worldwide rapture into a local event..
Pretrib rapture has none of those impossibilities
.....but you never thought of that did you?
What really destroys postrib rapture completely is rev 14:14 and acts 1 " like manner"
None of you can honestly go there, against either verses.
But you need to go against Gods word that your doctrine omits.
Those verses, as you demonstrate in your post , are omitted in your doctrine.
You add a rapture into it.
You have zero verses for your made up notion.
Rev 14:14 has Jesus coming during the gt and gathering the Jews.
That alone destroys your doctrine.
In YOUR doctrine you place a rapture at the white horses.
YOUR doctrine has the horses hovering in the clouds with Jesus mounted on a white horse. (no touching of the earth).
( ...rapture postrib but no feet on the earth).
Your doctrine also has the coming on horses, a LOCAL MIDEAST event, trying to place a worldwide rapture into a local event..
Pretrib rapture has none of those impossibilities
.....but you never thought of that did you?
What really destroys postrib rapture completely is rev 14:14 and acts 1 " like manner"
None of you can honestly go there, against either verses.
But you need to go against Gods word that your doctrine omits.
Those verses, as you demonstrate in your post , are omitted in your doctrine.
I guess you mever saw these verses;
: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Seriously??
So you prove your fantasy by a negative?? That's rich.
No verse describes any kind of trip of glorified believers to heaven. And you know it.
Your defense here is pitiful.
otoh, I've shared many verses that prove that the single resurrection/gathering of believers occurs at the Second Advent, which is obviously post trib. And no trip to heaven then, either.
So you prove your fantasy by a negative?? That's rich.
No verse describes any kind of trip of glorified believers to heaven. And you know it.
Your defense here is pitiful.
otoh, I've shared many verses that prove that the single resurrection/gathering of believers occurs at the Second Advent, which is obviously post trib. And no trip to heaven then, either.