Our new relationship to the law.
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I am interested in knowing whether you are saying these things for my edification and so that I can be bettered as an individual; or whether you said these things because you don't like what I am saying and also don't want others to believe what I am saying.
If the former thing, then I accept it as an exhortation to search my heart as to whether there may be any real pride in it that I have not been able to see.
But if the latter, then I consider that your statement is a personal attack and not made out of any kind of love for me.
I think that I will take it as the former; while you know in your heart whether it is the latter; and my prayer for you is that if it is the latter, that the Lord would deal with the sin in your heart and cleanse you from it as you confess it to Him. I pray that He will subject the reality of this in your life to the light of His word and Holy Spirit. In Jesus' Name. Amen.
No, born again Christians cannot be mentally ill (2 Timothy 1:7 (kjv)).
While they may be accused of being so (Hosea 9:7) by those who have "thine iniquity and the great hatred"
I would suggest that you check with your pastor on this. I strongly suspect you will discover that is not true.
Mat 7:15, Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16, Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17, Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18, A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19, Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20, Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Listen to what the word of God says rather than the word of a man.
A pastor is fallible; the word of God inerrant.
Psa 118:8, It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.
Psa 118:9, It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes.
Gee... isn't this interesting:
(from "Our new relationship to the law", post 748)
Maybe it's time you exercise some of that alleged humility of yours and stop posting wrong and ridiculously unfounded assertions.
I advised Ogom to talk to his pastor, because his pastor is likely aware of wel-seasoned saints who struggle terribly with physical ailments, which include many forms of "mental illness".
Please, stop displaying your ignorance just to get your digs in.
I disagree. Christians can struggle with mental illness and mental health.
I view 2 Timothy 1:7 in a different way than you have described.
You wrote them, you answer for them.
Matthew 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Maybe stop taking Scripture out of context.
Those who are not mentally ill may be accused of being so (Hosea 9:7, 2 Timothy 1:7).
Paul was accused of this but was perfectly sane (Acts 26:24-25, 2 Corinthians 5:13). Jesus was accused of this (Mark 3:21, John 10:20).
Was He crazy?
Not everyone who has been diagnosed with a mental illness is necessarily mentally ill.
There are three tenets in psychology that identify Christian characteristics as mental illness.
1) Believing such verses as (Matthew 5:10-12, Luke 6:22-23, and 2 Timothy 3:10-12) is identified as a "persecution complex"
2) Following (Psalms 1 and 1 Peter 2:1-3) is identified as "religious preoccupation"
3) And watching and waiting for the Lord's return can be misconstrued as being manic.
It is written,
Psa 119:69, The proud have forged a lie against me: but I will keep thy precepts with my whole heart.
I believe that the lie being prophesied about, there in Psalms, is Freudian psychology.
It is "thine iniquity and the great hatred" (Hosea 9:7) that leads people to identify born again believers as mentally ill....mad.
Hos 9:7, The days of visitation are come, the days of recompence are come; Israel shall know it: the prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad, for the multitude of thine iniquity, and the great hatred.
After all, we follow the Beattitudes (Matthew 5:1-12) and therefore we are an upside-down people.
Our paradigm and personality is completely different from that of this world system.
The devil takes advantage of the difference in personality, between born again believers, and those who have not been regeneraated, and utilizes it to persecute the born again while leaving his own people alone.
He doesn't have to fight his own people...for he is their master.
So, he forged a lie against believers...identifying the attributes of those who internalize the word of God and then condemning those attributes as mental illness.
Paul was accused of this but was perfectly sane (Acts 26:24-25, 2 Corinthians 5:13). Jesus was accused of this (Mark 3:21, John 10:20).
Was He crazy?
Not everyone who has been diagnosed with a mental illness is necessarily mentally ill.
There are three tenets in psychology that identify Christian characteristics as mental illness.
1) Believing such verses as (Matthew 5:10-12, Luke 6:22-23, and 2 Timothy 3:10-12) is identified as a "persecution complex"
2) Following (Psalms 1 and 1 Peter 2:1-3) is identified as "religious preoccupation"
3) And watching and waiting for the Lord's return can be misconstrued as being manic.
It is written,
Psa 119:69, The proud have forged a lie against me: but I will keep thy precepts with my whole heart.
I believe that the lie being prophesied about, there in Psalms, is Freudian psychology.
It is "thine iniquity and the great hatred" (Hosea 9:7) that leads people to identify born again believers as mentally ill....mad.
Hos 9:7, The days of visitation are come, the days of recompence are come; Israel shall know it: the prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad, for the multitude of thine iniquity, and the great hatred.
After all, we follow the Beattitudes (Matthew 5:1-12) and therefore we are an upside-down people.
Our paradigm and personality is completely different from that of this world system.
The devil takes advantage of the difference in personality, between born again believers, and those who have not been regeneraated, and utilizes it to persecute the born again while leaving his own people alone.
He doesn't have to fight his own people...for he is their master.
So, he forged a lie against believers...identifying the attributes of those who internalize the word of God and then condemning those attributes as mental illness.
You wrote them, you answer for them.
Matthew 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Maybe stop taking Scripture out of context.
Everyone is free to look up the context of any scripture that I may quote or reference; and I encourage everyone to be a Berean (Acts 17:10-11).
I suppose that I could quote the context of the scriptures that I normally relate to people; but then my posts would take up pages and pages of unrelated material.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Paul said we do not void out the law but we establish it live up to it.
For the law is spiritual the moral laws, laws of love, and the law is holy, and just, and good.
And anything that is spiritual must be obeyed.
So we have to obey the law which the Bible says that those who do righteousness are accepted with God.
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
A Spirit led life can abstain from sin for they will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
God will give the saints an escape from temptation so they will not sin.
So there is no excuse.
Paul said we establish the law and we do not void out the law which the law is spiritual so it must be obeyed.
A Spirit led life is not under the law for they are not sinning therefore the law cannot touch them for prosecution.
Which we can sin if we want to sin but we must repent and allow the Spirit to lead us again.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Paul said we do not void out the law but we establish it live up to it.
For the law is spiritual the moral laws, laws of love, and the law is holy, and just, and good.
And anything that is spiritual must be obeyed.
So we have to obey the law which the Bible says that those who do righteousness are accepted with God.
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
A Spirit led life can abstain from sin for they will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
God will give the saints an escape from temptation so they will not sin.
So there is no excuse.
Paul said we establish the law and we do not void out the law which the law is spiritual so it must be obeyed.
A Spirit led life is not under the law for they are not sinning therefore the law cannot touch them for prosecution.
Which we can sin if we want to sin but we must repent and allow the Spirit to lead us again.
If anyone has the Holy Ghost (who is obtained through faith alone in Jesus Christ) then the Holy Ghost will motivate them to be obedient.
But their salvation is not dependent on their perfomance (Romans 4:1-8, Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:4-7, Romans 11:5-6).
The love of the Lord is shed abroad in the hearts of all those who are truly born again (Romans 5:5).
And this love is not impractical (1 John 3:17-18).
Salvation, however, is a free gift (Romans 5:15-17). Righteousness is a gift that is given to us by God (Romans 5:17).
We do what is righteous because we are righteous.
We are not righteous because we do what is righteous.
People can do righreousness at some times and yet practice iniquity on the side (see Matthew 7:21-23).
If someone has received the gift of righteousness, they will consistently practice righteousness; the Lord will cause them to walk in His statutes and in His judgments (Ezekiel 36:27, Philippians 2:13).
They do what is righteous because it is in their nature;
Not because they feel that they have to do righteousness in order to maintain their salvation.
If you do what is righteous in order to maintain your salvation, you may not actually have salvation.
You should do righteousness because it is in your nature to do so; because you have been born again.
But their salvation is not dependent on their perfomance (Romans 4:1-8, Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:4-7, Romans 11:5-6).
The love of the Lord is shed abroad in the hearts of all those who are truly born again (Romans 5:5).
And this love is not impractical (1 John 3:17-18).
Salvation, however, is a free gift (Romans 5:15-17). Righteousness is a gift that is given to us by God (Romans 5:17).
We do what is righteous because we are righteous.
We are not righteous because we do what is righteous.
People can do righreousness at some times and yet practice iniquity on the side (see Matthew 7:21-23).
If someone has received the gift of righteousness, they will consistently practice righteousness; the Lord will cause them to walk in His statutes and in His judgments (Ezekiel 36:27, Philippians 2:13).
They do what is righteous because it is in their nature;
Not because they feel that they have to do righteousness in order to maintain their salvation.
If you do what is righteous in order to maintain your salvation, you may not actually have salvation.
You should do righteousness because it is in your nature to do so; because you have been born again.
If that is truly the case, is it not because pride keeps you from hearing and heeding the truth as it comes from me ?
But if I do what you say and ask the Lord to deal with any pride that may be in my heart (which I have done; and He has not shown me any as of yet), then I am humbling myself and receiving exhortation from someone who appears to be in every way against me and who appears to have not one iota of love in his heart for me.
Which, evidently, it was your purpose to get me to do so in order that you might be able to accuse me of sinning according to my own standard.
Well, guilty as charged.
I plead the blood.
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