Paster Women?

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(I hope no one is listening to me right now, but I'm just scrolling through to see where this thread turned into pants. It always has to go to pants.)

 

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Brother, that statement is beneath you........there are good Godly Christians who believe in the Ordaining of Women but would NEVER consider such as you suggest. Honestly........I am actually insulted by this.

Same thing our mother-denomination said in the 70's. (The reason my denomination broke off from her.) The mother-denomination started ordaining homosexuals in this decade. Soooo, it took 40 years before it happened to one denomination. Maybe the younger folk can keep track of the average in the next few decades.

It reminds me of something else used as an argument back then, "I am offended that you would even say women will have abortions as birth control. Women would NEVER consider such as you suggest. Honestly........I am actually insulted by this."

Now the homosexuals are saying roughly the same things about pedofiles.

It's called a slippery slope for a reason. It may not be the falling off the slope, MAYBE, but it is as close to the edge as possible that ultimately leads to falling off.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Chuckt,

In otherwords, who do I submit my feet to (so they might wash them)?

 

[coby]

Coby I'm a Christian, I'm into the Hebrew Roots Jewish Kabbalah cult.

Awesome! My mom once threw a kabbalah book of my dad in the garbage can. He never noticed.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Coby?

 

[NotmebutHim]

After watching that video I now realize that both the Ephesian women and Corinthian women came from similar backgrounds. I knew the history behind the 1 Corinthians passage but forgot about the history behind the one in 1 Timothy (which Nikole explained very well, by the way).

 

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I know the scriptures say that a women cannot be in authority over a man but it doesn't seem right something seems to be missing. I know father he is not sexist and doesn't play favorites he will use whoever he sees fit for whatever he sees fit and knowing his nature I can't buy this whole sexist thing.

true enough it does make the scriptures seem like that is how he feels but even so something doesn't sit right with me on this.
But as for authority wise I wouldn't say that a pastor is in a state of authority, a church to me is like family and everyone plays their part in it and is just as important as the next. If anyone is in authority within a church it's God not the pastor or anyone else, i think that the pastor is a teacher but I don't think that a pastor alone can run a church they need the rest of the family.

If God ever wanted me to build a church it would work like a family not an organized group, there wouldn't be sense of authority or anyone being above anyone else but everyone would have different jobs.

This is where your logic fails here.
1. "I know men cannot have babies. I know father. He is not sexist and doesn't play favorites he will use whoever he sees fit for whatever he sees fit and knowing his nature I can't buy this whole sexist thing."
Alas, it has nothing to do with sexism. It has everything to do with how both genders carry things differently. God's playing to our strengths and helping us to fight our weaknesses.

Same thing he did with the contract he came up with for husbands and wives. No need to tell a wife to love him like Christ loves the church.

By nature, woman nurture and love, so we love as much as physically possible on the husband. The easiest way to take good care of someone is to protect them and make all the decisions for them. That one doesn't carry well with a husband. (it does to a degree when children are young.) So women were given submit.

Meanwhile, man's strength is to provide for their families. No need to tell them to submit. It comes with the territory. Farmers submit to the land, the seasons, the plants. Hunters submit to the ground the animals live off, the seasons the animals live there, and the animals themselves to kill them or avoid them. Modern working men submit to bosses or customers, if they want to provide. But in all that providing, which is their form of love, they forget their true purpose sometimes -- to love. So God has always understood his children are different and to work within those differences. That's not sexism.

2. "But as for authority wise I wouldn't say that a pastor is in a state of authority, a church to me is like family and everyone plays their part in it and is just as important as the next. If anyone is in authority within a church it's God not the pastor or anyone else, i think that the pastor is a teacher but I don't think that a pastor alone can run a church they need the rest of the family."
Then you complete dismiss the definition of pastor. A synonym is shepherd. Shepherds watch over and guide their sheep. They truly have authority over the sheep, although sheep are free to take or leave that authority. Sheep aren't as dumb as people think. They do, purposely, help one another. They know not to jump off a cliff simply because the pastor guides them to do so.

As a women, I know my human shepherds -- husband first, father second, pastor third. Don't give me some foreign pastor and think I'll jump. I don't even jump all the time for my God-given pastors. (My dad has dementia. I cannot follow where he'd take me now -- for his good and my good. But I will honor him.) T'ain't no way, I'm accepting a woman as a pastor of a church. If she doesn't know she doesn't have authority over men, then either I stumbled onto a women's only church, (which I have no business being in, since I'm married so go to HIS church), or she doesn't know scripture enough to lead. Even if she's older than I am, I'm not following.

I will listen to anyone who wants to teach me something, but that doesn't mean I'll give that person authority in me. That authority thingy IS covered in the Bible, God does know best, and I will trust him to lead me to sound leadership.

It's got nothing to do with who is more important. It has to do with my ever-continuing struggle to strengthen my submitting muscle, because I know, even with decades of practice, I don't have it down perfectly, and, even if I did, without use it merely weakens. I'm not letting that submitting muscle atrophy. Too much work getting it to look like a muscle already.

 

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Can't teach men. The exception might be in missions where there isn't another man around that they can teach but not as pastor. I can defend this but it isn't easy on a tablet.

Sure we can, but the directions on where and when are specific enough to know we can't on any given Sunday to all the men in the congregation. Tell me you never learned from a woman on this site. Tell me you don't have a single "Momma said" in your repertoire, or your grandmother's, or older women who seem like Mom or Grandmom.

There's a reason God uses women to be Mom and to be teachers of the younger. We can teach! Even men. But pastor goes beyond teaching. Sometimes pastors don't even teach lesson plans. Just because we shouldn't be pastors doesn't mean we shouldn't teach. It's who we teach and when that matters.

And if it is a mission and there is no guys around, the mission better be something other than pastoring. 49% of the world is men. They're always around.

 

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Every one with your view can defend their view from Scripture, as can everyone who holds another view......IT'S NOT LIKE this subject HAS NEVER been discussed here before.......sigh.....

Yeah? But it's infinitely more interesting than the hypers going at it yet AGAIN.

 

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What about Deborah? They had to listen to their own husband, so they're not in authority if they're a pastor anyway, because the husband wants it and she submits to him. And a single woman like Corrie ten Boom has proved God wants women to preach.

Deborah -- Prophet. Judge. Warrior. Counselor. Wife. Didn't see Pastor in the book.

Corrie Ten Boom -- Advocate. Had a huge testimony. Encourager. Evangelist. Not a pastor.

(This isn't a women's right topic. It's if we should be pastors.)

 

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You old male chauvinists should go and get a life and stop being dinosaurs, for the Scriptures DO NOT support your rather warped views that women can't preach, teach and pastor, indeed the Devil has darkened your mind on this subject, for you have ripped 2 Scriptures out of context and dismissed ALL the other Scriptures that show women ministering in the Church!

The context of 1Tim 211,12 and 1Cor 14v34,35 is to do with domestic matters, NOT Church practice!

Which merely proves you ignore some in favor of others. I now put you along side women as pastors -- neither ought to be.

 

[santuzza]

Did you ever notice how new people come on these forums, start a highly controversial thread, then watch the madness ensue without saying another word?

Wise up and don't take the bait.

 

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I guess as of now I don't have the understanding to be able to read such scriptures. the scriptures say women cannot have authority over men but even so why does something inside me keep telling me this is wrong?
Is just because I grew up seeing women just as good as men? or is the holy spirit trying to tell me something?

Because you were born and raised into post-modern humanism, and that is firmly against male authority. And I'm not saying I was raised any better. BUT we have to start using our minds to differentiate between the junk the world has evangelized us into believing and what God says. I'm still fighting that fight in my mind. First step is to recognize it as a problem.

 

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many times in our ministry, Christ has had me step-out of what I thought my comfort zone was and either
teach, admonish, uphold or instruct from what He has taught me through the years... never once
did I think of myself as either above or below, as my husband and I were in total agreement of what our Father
required of us in any given situation, and were more than ready to do His bidding....
it truly is a one-day-at-a-time-submissive-ministry.....

Mrs. OldethenNew, ('cuz Mr. can be on this account next lol), has God ever, ever called you to be a pastor?

That's the difference. I firmly believe God does call us in instances to do all sorts of things outside our comfort zone. (I've done it too.) But, no way, no how does he ever call us to be pastors.

 

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Oh I love when people use this to teach men not to listen to women when God told Abraham to listen to his wife.

Genesis 21:12 But God said to him, "Do not be so distressed about the boy and your slave woman. Listen to whatever Sarah tells you, because it is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.

That is a problem with men, not a problem with women, if that were even true. It is definitely not Scripture, but your opinion.

Proverbs 18:2 Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions.​

The Bible says we will be shepherded by one of two women. The Woman Wisdom (Proverbs 1:20) or the Woman Folly (Proverbs 9:13). Everybody will follow one.

Boy, you really pulled the Abraham and Sarah episode out of what you left. Sure God told Abraham to listen to Sarah, after he already listened to her years before, truly blundered big time, and now God was saving the boy's life!

In both cases, the wife did talk her husband into something truly foolish and God was working with the husband to smooth out the botch job. Neither are great examples of the brilliance of women. Neither should be used out of context. And even here, the context is should women be pastors and neither Eve nor Sarah further that cause. (Might have helped prove why women shouldn't be pastors, but that's stretching it too.)

And wisdom and folly are personified in Proverbs, not really women.

 

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I see, I would hate to live in the era where women were treated like dogs or lesser beings.

You live in that era. You live in that house now! We're not dogs!

Neither are we pastors.

 

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Then lets hope I never go there because i will be beheaded because even if it costs me my life I refuse to allow such thinking and treating of women or of anyone of different color or race

You really don't have that choice, do you?

 

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That is the body of Christ. Not just half of the body of Christ. Jesus came to set the captives free, not to subjugate one half to the other.

And yet, that same God taught this:
1 Cor. 7:20 Each one should remain in the condition in which he was called. 21 Were you a bondservant when called? Do not be concerned about it. (But if you can gain your freedom, avail yourself of the opportunity.) 22 For he who was called in the Lord as a bondservant is a freedman of the Lord. Likewise he who was free when called is a bondservant of Christ. 23 You were bought with a price; do not become bondservants of men. 24 So, brothers, in whatever condition each was called, there let him remain with God.

Context matters. All of the context. The whole book.

 

[coby]

Deborah -- Prophet. Judge. Warrior. Counselor. Wife. Didn't see Pastor in the book.

Corrie Ten Boom -- Advocate. Had a huge testimony. Encourager. Evangelist. Not a pastor.

(This isn't a women's right topic. It's if we should be pastors.)

Not talking about women's rights. Women need a covering, their husband should agree if they preach or they are both the pastors and she teaches the women but also everyone, see no problem with that. A woman as a real single pastor rebuking the older men like a father like Timothy, with no men above her, hmm I don't think it's Biblical. Just trying to figure it out though. I may be wrong.

 

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Fun fact, it was a woman preacher (joyce meyer) that led me to Christ in the wee hours of the morning while I was getting ready for work. My cell phone died that morning. Like it went kaput completely. So in stead of listening to my usual deathmetal music that morning, I sat down a flipped on the TV and for the first time ever I sat and watched her program..... The rest is well, all God.

Andrew Lloyd Webber lead me. It doesn't mean he is in right standing with God for that either.