poll who thinks smoking cigarettes is a temptation of the devil ?

[de-emerald]

Titus 1:15 niv uk

15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.



Titus 1:15 living bible



15 A person who is pure of heart sees goodness and purity in everything; but a person whose own heart is evil and untrusting finds evil in everything, for his dirty mind and rebellious heart color all he sees and hears. 16 Such persons claim they know God, but from seeing the way they act, one knows they don’t. They are rotten and disobedient, worthless so far as doing anything good is concerned.



Ok, as we can see from both verses, the heart that is corrupted is also the heart that has been defiled. The heart that is defiled is not pure. But here we see in these two scriptures no mention whatsoever of the real culprit who defiles the heart. (the devil and his demons), As we see also from these passages above its so easy to call a person evil or rotten or worthless, and not notice a person behaving this way has a demon. And for the smoker, he wouldn't know the devil wants him to defile his heart with cigarette smoke.

There's more to this verse than meets the eye. The heart that is unpure is also the heart that has become rotten. From defiling the body with nicotine smoke. From the above passage living bible we see that the devil loves a defiled heart or defiled temple (body) because then the worthless works can flourish with disobedience.



Blessed is the pure heart, who remembers that scripture ? Shall i have faith in my next cigarette, or shall I have faith in Jesus and keep my heart clean? ?



The Roman Catholic Church does not condemn smoking per se, but considers excessive smoking to be sinful, as described in the Catechism (CCC 2290): The virtue of temperance disposes us to avoid every kind of excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine.



Here is a real eye-opener. The roman Catholic Church is saying it's all right to smoke cigarettes in moderation.
But says excessive smoking is sinful. What a joke... it looks like Satan well and truly runs our world.

Ok, so anything that controls your mood is not Good, because we need to use our own self-control to overcome mood swings. And much more.

 

[p_rehbein]

Smoking cigarettes' will not keep one from salvation.........you will not go to hell for smoking, but you WILL SMELL like you've been there

 

[Gideon300]

Titus 1:15 niv uk

15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.



Titus 1:15 living bible



15 A person who is pure of heart sees goodness and purity in everything; but a person whose own heart is evil and untrusting finds evil in everything, for his dirty mind and rebellious heart color all he sees and hears. 16 Such persons claim they know God, but from seeing the way they act, one knows they don’t. They are rotten and disobedient, worthless so far as doing anything good is concerned.



Ok, as we can see from both verses, the heart that is corrupted is also the heart that has been defiled. The heart that is defiled is not pure. But here we see in these two scriptures no mention whatsoever of the real culprit who defiles the heart. (the devil and his demons), As we see also from these passages above its so easy to call a person evil or rotten or worthless, and not notice a person behaving this way has a demon. And for the smoker, he wouldn't know the devil wants him to defile his heart with cigarette smoke.

There's more to this verse than meets the eye. The heart that is unpure is also the heart that has become rotten. From defiling the body with nicotine smoke. From the above passage living bible we see that the devil loves a defiled heart or defiled temple (body) because then the worthless works can flourish with disobedience.



Blessed is the pure heart, who remembers that scripture ? Shall i have faith in my next cigarette, or shall I have faith in Jesus and keep my heart clean? ?



The Roman Catholic Church does not condemn smoking per se, but considers excessive smoking to be sinful, as described in the Catechism (CCC 2290): The virtue of temperance disposes us to avoid every kind of excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine.



Here is a real eye-opener. The roman Catholic Church is saying it's all right to smoke cigarettes in moderation.
But says excessive smoking is sinful. What a joke... it looks like Satan well and truly runs our world.

Ok, so anything that controls your mood is not Good, because we need to use our own self-control to overcome mood swings. And much more.

I know a lot of smokers and ex smokers. When I asked God about this issue (I've never smoked) He said that it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a man but what comes out - words. He said to me that the words people say are far more offensive than cigarette smoke. Charles Spurgeon smoked cigars. It did not affect his ministry. He preached to 23,000 people when he was 23. When someone with Spurgeon's credentials tells me how evil smoking is, I will take note.

Smoking is not good as it is fundamentally a waste of money. But to make a big deal out of it is just being religious. There is no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus.

 

[de-emerald]

Smoking is not good as it is fundamentally a waste of money. But to make a big deal out of it is just being religious. There is no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus.

But yet you just condemed me, by calling me religious , Because you view religious as a bad thing when actually it depends on what your being religious over, thus your idea that smoking is just a waste of money does not help those who develop a rotten heart because of smoking. but notice this is good advice for you that doent resort to calling you religious, here we see rotten and defiled temple body from smoking. now will you repent for insulting Gods holy temple. as im asking you nicely as a brother not to call a brother religious for wanting to keep his temple clean.

 

[de-emerald]

Smoking cigarettes' will not keep one from salvation.........you will not go to hell for smoking, but you WILL SMELL like you've been there

Are you listening to satan talking ? because satan would say over and over to people you will not go to hell for this and you will not go to hell for that, its ok to do this and its ok to do that.

Thus where did you get the idea this topic is about being sent to hell ?

But actually now you mention it there is such a thing as the body experiencing a living hell. and being defiled.

 

[Mii]

I don't think the Lord likes it much no.

It's pretty fleshly though not necessarily sinful. As in there may be exceptions to it being sinful (certain mindsets/heartsets etc) but for the most part? Also to him who does not know...

Anything that doesn't feed the spirit and simply feeds the flesh like movies, TV, video games etc. of course lends itself to being a tool of the enemy.

It can lead to idolatry, bondage, and sin...and it doesn't exactly lend itself to being edifying to one's walk but much like a coffee habit or a 1-2 drink rule, it "can" stay pretty minimal as far as spiritual damage is concerned for certain people.

For me it's mostly sinful and sometimes neutral. I have had doors open to productive kingdom minded conversations that wouldn't have been had otherwise but in my heart that doesn't give me a green light or anything...it just was a byproduct. I don't think it was BECAUSE of smoking, just that the Lord used that at the time. MOST of the byproduct of smoking or using nicotine without combustion hasn't been Godly but mostly poor stewardship.

There's a lot I can say but it's 3am here and the thread isn't very developed yet with responses.

The "temple" rationale cannot be discouted in my view.


I don't think Spurgeon is a great example of why it's alright for Christians though since that was a different time and even he had reservations when the "ante was upped".

Night.

 

[shittim]

Cigarettes are inhaled, pipe and cigar smoke are not intended to be inhaled.
Perhaps a cigar or pipe smoker like Spurgeon used it to be more contemplative and focused whereas a cigarette will get the buzz of influence of the chemicals and the resulting addictive hold.

 

[p_rehbein]

Are you listening to satan talking ? because satan would say over and over to people you will not go to hell for this and you will not go to hell for that, its ok to do this and its ok to do that.

Thus where did you get the idea this topic is about being sent to hell ?

But actually now you mention it there is such a thing as the body experiencing a living hell. and being defiled.

Do you not understand your own OP? You ask if smoking is a temptation of the devil. Those who give into such temptations are IN DANGER of eternal damnation are they not?

I am listening to Scripture talking, not the devil. I am not sure who you are listening to though

 

[Dino246]

But yet you just condemed me, by calling me religious

Calling someone "religious" isn't condemning them.

 

[tourist]

Cigarettes are inhaled, pipe and cigar smoke are not intended to be inhaled.
Perhaps a cigar or pipe smoker like Spurgeon used it to be more contemplative and focused whereas a cigarette will get the buzz of influence of the chemicals and the resulting addictive hold.

Bill Clinton didn't inhale either.

 

[Dino246]

Are you listening to satan talking ? because satan would say over and over to people you will not go to hell for this and you will not go to hell for that, its ok to do this and its ok to do that.

Thus where did you get the idea this topic is about being sent to hell ?

But actually now you mention it there is such a thing as the body experiencing a living hell. and being defiled.

You seem to be very reactive, finding the worst possible way to interpret the comments of others, while expecting others to take your words in the best possible way. That's toxic and hypocritical.

 

[de-emerald]

Cigarettes are inhaled, pipe and cigar smoke are not intended to be inhaled.
Perhaps a cigar or pipe smoker like Spurgeon used it to be more contemplative and focused whereas a cigarette will get the buzz of influence of the chemicals and the resulting addictive hold.

Hi my friend you raise a very good point, I thought I would think about your post before i would respond straight away, as in the past i can see you have shown respect, and on many occasions i have noticed how you have shown respect in disagreements and not caused trouble and fueled the disagreement into hatred or contentment. There seems to be to many bad lingering smells in the air from members starting conspiracies that people are no good hypocrites acting like Judges. It seems that the smokers are now hooking up to this latest resentment with pleasure. No doubt whilst they puff on a cigarette drinking a tequila or a whiskey or a bear claiming there also a good doctor of their own health and there health is untouchable and nothing bad will happen to them etc., that somehow their bodies are more super than anyone else, i think in their heads they have the real Jesus and others don't, but what they don't realize is that the devil will say smoking was invented for relaxation,

actually tho what the devil is saying is ha ha you're the latest sucker to defile their own body and another one of our casualties of war, ? because we are at war against the devil, Jesus Christ told us we are at war against a spiritual enemy until the end. Tell me what use is a person fighting the war against evil when all his vital senses are clogged up with tar or nicotine ?.

So this is the temptation from the devil. If you smoke a pipe or a cigar and don't inhale the smoke ie just taste it on your taste buds and breathe it out you will be fine. And even better you can show of with a really good cigar because we got some king Cubans. Or another temptation from the Devil would be if you let everyone else smell your cigar they all get into a good mood like you and buying one really good cigar will make a whole room of people feel as nice as you,, this is so cool.


.personaly tho ive tried to taste smoke without inhaling it,, its almost impossible.. but i guess once your deluded your deluded.

 

[tourist]

I used to smoke a pipe for several years but got lazy in the cleaning and gave it up for cigarettes. Currently, smoke-free since 3/31/21. The struggle is real. Pipe people are prone to cancer in the lips and cigar people cancer of the throat. Snuff can cause various cancers in the mouth. Vaping has been known to cause holes in the lungs. It's all bad stuff for sure.

 

[de-emerald]

I used to smoke a pipe for several years but got lazy in the cleaning and gave it up for cigarettes. Currently, smoke-free since 3/31/21. The struggle is real. Pipe people are prone to cancer in the lips and cigar people cancer of the throat. Snuff can cause various cancers in the mouth. Vaping has been known to cause holes in the lungs. It's all bad stuff for sure.

Hey well done that's a great achievement, 6 hole months, they say within nine months the lung capacity increases by 10 percent, It's a real achievement i know how hard it is, It's especially hard for many reasons, one being the addiction and craving but also for me the temptation from the enemy to have one, over and over again,, lately the enemy has been tempting me to buy a bottle of brandy, for the weekend, this is the temptation,, Oh you have worked all week have a nice brandy and relax. So i say no to that, I also guess the enemy knows when your not interested, because 5 minutes later its, oh brandy is good for shock, not only is it nice when you mix it with Coca-Cola, but brandy is also a mans drink that will have you feeling like a man, oh and feeling like a man looking like a man and behaving all strong and all manly is what the women like.. God women will find you so attractive,, Just look how sexy Marylin Monroe was, and she smoked cigarettes and drank brandy.



So two brandies later when you're a bit merry, it's oh a cigarette would taste so nice now, and so would a fatty 100 percent dripping in fat beef burger, topped with cheese and dripping in bacon fat. Oh, just imagine biting into that followed by a brandy and a cigarette. God, who needs Jesus you know ?..............

So ok brother I hope you beet this temptation and say get lost Satan. Because after you've had the brandy and the cigarette its thank-you Jesus for the canibis joint, then its getting a woman pregnant who has an abortion

 

[shittim]

Hi my friend you raise a very good point, I thought I would think about your post before i would respond straight away, as in the past i can see you have shown respect, and on many occasions i have noticed how you have shown respect in disagreements and not caused trouble and fueled the disagreement into hatred or contentment. There seems to be to many bad lingering smells in the air from members starting conspiracies that people are no good hypocrites acting like Judges. It seems that the smokers are now hooking up to this latest resentment with pleasure. No doubt whilst they puff on a cigarette drinking a tequila or a whiskey or a bear claiming there also a good doctor of their own health and there health is untouchable and nothing bad will happen to them etc., that somehow their bodies are more super than anyone else, i think in their heads they have the real Jesus and others don't, but what they don't realize is that the devil will say smoking was invented for relaxation,

actually tho what the devil is saying is ha ha you're the latest sucker to defile their own body and another one of our casualties of war, ? because we are at war against the devil, Jesus Christ told us we are at war against a spiritual enemy until the end. Tell me what use is a person fighting the war against evil when all his vital senses are clogged up with tar or nicotine ?.

So this is the temptation from the devil. If you smoke a pipe or a cigar and don't inhale the smoke ie just taste it on your taste buds and breathe it out you will be fine. And even better you can show of with a really good cigar because we got some king Cubans. Or another temptation from the Devil would be if you let everyone else smell your cigar they all get into a good mood like you and buying one really good cigar will make a whole room of people feel as nice as you,, this is so cool.


.personaly tho ive tried to taste smoke without inhaling it,, its almost impossible.. but i guess once your deluded your deluded.

Cigarette smokeres have difficulty as it is the nature of cigarette smoking to inhale, not so with pipe and cigar.
The body loses the ability to prevent mutation around the age of 60, it is then amazing that we don't all succumb to cancer.

 

[de-emerald]

Cigarette smokeres have difficulty as it is the nature of cigarette smoking to inhale, not so with pipe and cigar.
The body loses the ability to prevent mutation around the age of 60, it is then amazing that we don't all succumb to cancer.

I hope you don't take this personal but what you've just wrote could also be the devils reasoning to make people think there's a good Chance they might be ok etc. i don't know whether your intentions are bluntly showing us this, or you're listening to the devil.



I sense your showing us the devils' temptation here as I've noticed how wise you are in other threads in making people see something but not exactly disclosing your meaning ?,

but if you look at what your last part wrote, it's the famous ill be alright temptation. No harm can come to me. I'm infallible etc

 

[shittim]

How have you taken what you posted to the Lord for His guidance?
We are required to do so.
Christianity today has missed the mark and become a laundry list of "do this, don't do that" activities and not relationship, vital active relationship.
It seems Spurgeon did keep his mind stayed on the Lord and desired to live a life pleaseing to the Father, others have as despite perhaps partaking in this activity. Not that this is a recommendation or approval, far from it. As we draw nearer and nearer to Him, He will draw nearere and nearer to us.
If Spurgeon and others served Jesus with every thought word and deed yet were partakers of what was socially acceptable then, what is that to you? We must each, individually, pick up our cross and follow Him.
This whole thread misses the mark.
Goodbye

 

[de-emerald]

How have you taken what you posted to the Lord for His guidance?
We are required to do so.
Christianity today has missed the mark and become a laundry list of "do this, don't do that" activities and not relationship, vital active relationship.
It seems Spurgeon did keep his mind stayed on the Lord and desired to live a life pleaseing to the Father, others have as despite perhaps partaking in this activity. Not that this is a recommendation or approval, far from it. As we draw nearer and nearer to Him, He will draw nearere and nearer to us.
If Spurgeon and others served Jesus with every thought word and deed yet were partakers of what was socially acceptable then, what is that to you? We must each, individually, pick up our cross and follow Him.
This whole thread misses the mark.
Goodbye

When you say the whole thread missess the mark, does that mean you hit the mark ?. your far better helping others to hit the mark then leaving because of something youve seen that you dont like. I havent seen what your seeing in this thread. But what i am seeing is the devils temptation at work over and over again all over the world which really is what the thread is about for me. The mark being missed is always something that happens when the temptation of the devil is not recogised, you your self may have just fell for temptation, and left a temptation, leaving a false premise is a also a temptation. the next person will read what youve wrote and believe this is anti social. when actually the thread could open the door to winning the war against temptation with what youve wrote also. So maybe what youve wrote could have some merit to.

I was just thinking Jesus i need you, Jesus i need you. Jesus will hit the mark for me and hopefuly keep me on the straight and narrow today. hopefully to help a wise monkey like you out too.

what do you think of this scripture 8Do not rebuke a mocker, or he will hate you; rebuke a wise man, and he will love you.

 

[shittim]

"your far better helping others to hit the mark then leaving because of something youve seen that you dont like."


If we are His, our lives are hidden in Him, we go where He directs, we do what He directs us to do, we lean not on our own understanding.
Jesus modeled how we are all to live, He only did what He saw the Father do, He only said what He heard the Father say.
When He directs to leave what is a waste of time we each must be obedient, God is a God of purpose.

 

[de-emerald]

"your far better helping others to hit the mark then leaving because of something youve seen that you dont like."


If we are His, our lives are hidden in Him, we go where He directs, we do what He directs us to do, we lean not on our own understanding.
Jesus modeled how we are all to live, He only did what He saw the Father do, He only said what He heard the Father say.
When He directs to leave what is a waste of time we each must be obedient, God is a God of purpose.

I would love that. But then if that's all I hear then how will i know when the devil is close, Some people get so tired that all they want is to go to heaven and Just hear Jesus. But then what gets left is still left on earth. We could come back as saints and fight the enemy also, who knows how you may feel once you're in heaven, Jesus could say go down to earth and rescue that child from a demon please. As the saying goes the lords work is always needed, not never done tho as the saying goes, because i believe the lords work can be done will be done and remain done. When we also become his finished work. I would like you to stay in this thread as i have valued you before and remembered you for that .