Power in the blood

[prove-all]

There is only one begotten Son of God, Jesus Christ.

most verses are in this new post


Begotten, and not Yet "Born"

 

[Elin]

Elin
That's why I speak about the old and new involving the temple and the priesthood only.

Do you understand that the old covenant of Heb 8:13 is the Sinaitic Covenant,
and not the Abrahamic covenant?

Our obligations as children of God are defined both in the old and new covenant.

But there are no obligations of the children of God defined in the new covenant of Jer 31:31-35.

The only obligation of the new covenant is the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-40) which covers everything.

Through Christ we have a better promise for sure, and I'm not disputing that, but
what I speak has everything to do with the temple and the priesthood that is so much better.

But what Heb 8:6-13, 9:15 speaks (which is the topic under discussion)
has everything to do with the NT covenant that is so much better.

God still requires the same obedience from His children in Spirit as stated in the Old Testament.
Love is first mentioned as a requirement in the Old Covenant same as the New Covenant.

Keeping in mind that the law of Moses is subordinate to the law of grace (Mt 22:40).

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid : yea, we establish the law.

Yes, Paul established the law on its right basis, subordinate to the law of grace.

Galatians 3:21 - "Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid : for
if there had been a law given which could have given life ,
verily righteousness "would" have been by the law."

The KJV, et al, use "would."

Yes, the law is righteous, but no one is made righteous by the law,
because no one can keep it well enough to be made righteous by it.

Your point?

Isaiah 59:21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and
my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor
out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.

And that's the same description God gave of the new covenant (Jer 31:31-34) made in Christ (Is 42:6, 49:8, 9:7; Heb 8:6-13, 9:15).
That is a promise of the new covenant.

Peter addresses the multitude defining the covenant that God made with there forefathers.
Acts 3:20-25
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers , A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
23 And it shall come to pass , that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken , have likewise foretold of these days.
25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers,

saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed (singular; i.e., Christ) shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

And we learn from revelation of Jesus Christ personally given to Paul
that God's promise here was made to Abraham and to Christ only (Gal 3:16, 22),
and that it was not made in covenant.

And Peter goes on:
26 When God raised up his servant (Jesus) he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways.

Peter is pointing out to his Jewish audience in Ac 3:20-26 that God kept his promise.
Peter is simply recalling their history leading up to Jesus coming to them as promised.

Your point?

Deuteronomy 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken ;

And that was Jesus, right? . .the Jesus who inaugurated the new covenant (Lk 22:20), right?

Your point?

Genesis 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed ;

The covenant I speak of is as stated above, and was given, starting with Abraham. That has not changed.

Right, Heb 8:13 is not referring to the Abrahamic covenant as obsolete.

It is referring to the Sinaitic Covenant as obsolete, which was added (Gal 3:19; Ro 5:20)
temporarily (Heb 8:13) to the Abrahmaic covenant.

the covenant with Abraham and the generations that followed never was disannuled, or waxed old, as Peter declared in the scripture reference I quoted. I call it the plan of salvation that was conceived before the world began. The covenant was for Israel only then, but now it's for the world.

Do you think Heb 7:18-19, 8:13 are referring to the Abrahamic covenant?

You don't understand Heb 8 at all, do you?
For you are mixing up the Sinaitic and Abrahamic covenants?

The law is not against grace

The law of Moses is subordinate to the law of grace.

or faith, but the temple and the priesthood have been changed.

The Aaronic priesthood has been changed in that it has been replaced with the order of Melchizedek,
with Christ Jesus as the new eternal High Priest, not from the tribe of Levi.

The old is gone, and the new is here to stay.

I do not set the Word of God against itself.

But you do, in denying a change in the Mosaic covenant to the new covenant in Heb 8:6-13, 9:15,
and bringing all the material in this post against it.

Yet nothing here shows that the old covenant is not obsolete (Heb 8:13).

One cannot put new wine into old skins, but old wine can be put into new skins.

I'll make a note to tell Jesus about that.
I'm sure it was just an oversight on his part.

NOT. . .Jesus was quite clear about what goes in the new wine skins.

We are not at liberty to "improve" on the Word of God, bringing it into agreement with our own notions.
The new wine is the new covenant.

 

[Elin]

Hebrews 8:1-5 is about the temple. Did the writer talk about the temple and then change the subject without reason?

He didn't change the subject.

The subject of Heb 8 is the function of the Aaronic High Priest compared with the new eternal High Priest
in the order of Melchizedek, which includes
offering gifts and sacrifices in the Temple and
mediating the old covenant.

The new eternal High Priest no longer offers gifts and sacrifices in an earthly Temple, but
is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven and
whose service in the true temple is interceding for the saints, and
mediating a superior covenant founded on better promises.

Hebrews 8:1-5
1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched , and not man.
3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer .
4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See , saith he , that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

So in your opinion verses 6 thru 13 have nothing to do with the preemptive 5 that I just quoted?

Nothing is preemptive.

The whole chapter is about one subject--comparison of the several services of the Aaronic High Priest and the new eternal High Priest in the order of Melchizedek.

 

[Elin]

Glad you admitted this on another thread.

Italicized words in the KJV are added words.

Having fun yet?

I'm not sure I understand what all the bolded Scriptures you posted had to do with the topic at hand,
which was Heb 8:7.

 

[dcontroversal]

this may be a little off topic, but i don't fully understand this & find it profound --

A lay person shall not eat of a holy thing; no foreign guest of the priest or hired servant shall eat of a holy thing,
but if a priest buys a slave as his property for money, the slave may eat of it, and anyone born in his house may eat of his food.
(Leviticus 22:10-11)

those things that were given as a sacrifice under the old covenant, the meat and bread were for only the priests to eat, while the blood was poured out for atonement.
but a slave of the priest -- not an hired servant, but an owned​ one -- may also eat what was consecrated for God.

are we His paid servants, or does He own us like slaves? do we work for a wage, or serve Him because it is our life?
you can see that there is a works/grace based salvation gem hidden in this...

if we have an high priest in Christ who has taken us as His slaves, and so according to the law we are able to take of the sacrifice, which is His flesh. He also commands us to drink of His blood, which is poured out or sprinkled to make us clean and for atonement - if our bodies have become His temple, His altar is also within us, where the blood is poured out -

is it that the blood serves two purposes? for atonement, so we are bathed and washed by it, and also as a drink offering? as He said He gives us living water that we don't thirst ever again, and told His disciples they were clean by the word He had spoken to them. but even the priests did not drink the blood!
is this how much more He has offered us than the shadow in the law?

When we have done all that we can do for the cause of Christ.....Jesus tells us to consider ourselves to be lowly doulos (bond servants) only doing the things we have been commanded to do....

We are bought and paid for by the blood of Christ and set free....

In the O.T. when a slave had been set free they would sometimes look at the world and realize that the world cannot offer them anything that would be better than what they had serving their master...A hole would be bored into their ear and a trinket would be inserted which state that they are slaves that have been set free yet chose to stay and serve their masters because of the value of staying under the masters roof and hand....

So is it for the saved....we have been bought with a price, set free and out of love and devotion should urn and SERVE because we cannot get it any better than under the hand of the Master and as His servant.

 

[Joidevivre]

No gift God has given us is more important than the blood of Jesus Christ. Yet many Christians do not fully comprehend the power of the blood. What’s worse is that many churches - even whole denominations - have stopped preaching and singing about the blood and its power.
How about you? Do you understand the significance of the blood?
The Powerful Blood
The Bible tells us many powerful things that the blood of Jesus does when applied. When you apply the blood, it:
Provides forgiveness of your sins. “The law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness” (Hebrews 9:22, NIV).
Gives you life. “Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you” (John 6:53).
Brings you close to God. “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ” (Ephesians 2:13).
Cleanses your conscience. “How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God” (Hebrews 9:14).
Gives you boldness to approach God. “Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus…” (Hebrews 10:19).
Sanctifies you. “Therefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people with His own blood, suffered outside the gate” (Hebrews 13:12).
Cleanses you. “But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin” (1 John 1:7).
Heals you. “He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by His wounds you have been healed” (1 Peter 2:24, NIV).
Enables you to overcome the devil and his works. “And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony…” (Revelation 12:11, NIV).
Blood is Important
Blood is so important to God that it is mentioned in the Bible around 700 times. David referred to the “incorruptible” blood. Peter spoke of the “precious” blood, and John wrote of the “overcoming” power of the blood.

 

[Ukorin]

If I may propose that family is the issue here, not slavery.

First of all, the subject here is the sacrifices.
Secondly, slaves were members of the household, just as family was.

No one outside the household of the priest could eat the sacrifices, just as in the NT,
no one outside the household of God (Eph 2:19) can eat the NT sacrifice (Lord's Supper)
because they do not recognize the body of the Lord (as their sacrifice for sin)--1Co 11:29.

It was the duty of the priests (vv. 15-16) to keep the Israelites from bringing guilt (v.14)
upon themselves by eating the sacrifices,
for to eat the sacrifice was to take the guilt into themselves (Lev 10:17),
and the people must not bear their own guilt, only the priest was to bear their guilt.

Anyone see any pictures/symbols here?

So slaves of the priest could eat the sacrifices, but the Israelites could not.

We are both the bond-servants of Christ, and propheticly also called His Bride, which makes us Children of God!
We partake in the now as a purchased slave, and partake future as the very family of God!
(In God there is no time, and He is perfect in His faithfulness, so it is right to say that even now we are the Bride of Christ, and Children of God, even though the Marriage Supper is not yet come.)

Praise the Lord God Almighty!
Blessings and peace upon you all in the Name of Christ.

This thread has been a blessing to me. (When posting this, I have only read the first page or two)

 

[Ukorin]

I finished reading the thread. The 1st fruits were best. (1st page)

 

[Elin]

We are both the bond-servants of Christ, and propheticly also called His Bride, which makes us Children of God!
We partake in the now as a purchased slave, and partake future as the very family of God!
(In God there is no time, and He is perfect in His faithfulness, so it is right to say that even now we are the Bride of Christ, and Children of God, even though the Marriage Supper is not yet come.)

Praise the Lord God Almighty!
Blessings and peace upon you all in the Name of Christ.

This thread has been a blessing to me. (When posting this, I have only read the first page or two)

Glad you enjoy the thread.

Thought you might like to recall that the church is the wife of Christ now (Eph 5:29-32),
which is why the church is his body (Eph 5:28-30, 1:22-23).

 

[granpa]

John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

Luke 22:19-20
19 And he took bread, and gave thanks , and brake it, and gave unto them, saying , This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. 20 Likewise also the cup after supper , saying , This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.


If there is “power in the blood” what is wrong with drinking/eating the blood of the sacrifice?


Leviticus 17:10-14

10 And whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, that eateth any manner of blood; I will even set my face against that soul that eateth blood, and will cut him off from among his people.

11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

12 Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood.

13 And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, which hunteth and catcheth any beast or fowl that may be eaten ; he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust.

14 For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off .

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is , the devil;

What is the spiritual significance of shedding blood? This is the law that Jesus seems to thwart. What is right? What is wrong?

And whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, that eats any manner of blood;
I will even set my face against that soul that eats blood, and will cut him off from among his people.

The soma of wine of the soul is (and I have given it to you) upon the altar-of-atonement of your souls: for the wine of the soul (Holy Spirit) atones.

Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourns among you eat blood.


the original language had tones so the word juice could mean blood or juice depending on which tone was used.


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