^ @DRobinson , nowhere does any text say (of them [the "2W']) that they are "called BACK to heaven" (as though they originated from there)... you just inserted that *idea* INTO the text. [But... do as you wish, DRobinson...]
Preparation for the tribulation.
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Rev.11:12 And they heard a great voice from Heaven saying unto them, come up hither and they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
^ Rev11:7 - "And when they shall have finished their testimony [G3141]..."
STRONGS G3141:
μαρτυρία, μαρτυρίας, ἡ (μαρτυρέω, which see) (from Homer down);
1. a testifying: the office committed to the prophets of testifying concerning future events, Revelation 11:7.
[quoted from BibleHub]
STRONGS G3141:
μαρτυρία, μαρτυρίας, ἡ (μαρτυρέω, which see) (from Homer down);
1. a testifying: the office committed to the prophets of testifying concerning future events, Revelation 11:7.
[quoted from BibleHub]
^ (and with that, let the readers CONSIDER...)
Isa 41:21
Produce your cause, saith the LORD; bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob.
Isa 41:22
Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come.
Isa 41:23
Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.
[and read verse 24 of this passage]
[These "2W" of Rev11 are not among those ^ (being scolded in that passage) ; Obviously the "2W" (as "these two prophets" per Rev11) speak in behalf of God, rather than OPPOSING Him... right?]
Isa 41:21
Produce your cause, saith the LORD; bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob.
Isa 41:22
Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come.
Isa 41:23
Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.
[and read verse 24 of this passage]
[These "2W" of Rev11 are not among those ^ (being scolded in that passage) ; Obviously the "2W" (as "these two prophets" per Rev11) speak in behalf of God, rather than OPPOSING Him... right?]
Need for "more talking" to understand God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided?
No, the need is for more studying, and listening, not for the "Dark Day Of The Time of JACOB's
[ Israel's ] Trouble," but The Entire Body Of Christ [ "children of LIGHT!" ], "preparing for
our Judgment Seat Of Christ (1 Corinthians 3:8-15 AV)", eh?:
God's Great [ Pre-Trib ] GRACE Departure!
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Biblically "Concise Condensed": Evidence Of A Pre-Tribulational Rapture Of The Church!
(K Lawson)
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Dear LORD, May You Graciously Grant All Of us your Grace, Peace, Mercy, And Love To Help us
"Prepare To Give A FULL Account" To You. Amen.
No, the need is for more studying, and listening, not for the "Dark Day Of The Time of JACOB's
[ Israel's ] Trouble," but The Entire Body Of Christ [ "children of LIGHT!" ], "preparing for
our Judgment Seat Of Christ (1 Corinthians 3:8-15 AV)", eh?:
God's Great [ Pre-Trib ] GRACE Departure!
+
Biblically "Concise Condensed": Evidence Of A Pre-Tribulational Rapture Of The Church!
(K Lawson)
+
Dear LORD, May You Graciously Grant All Of us your Grace, Peace, Mercy, And Love To Help us
"Prepare To Give A FULL Account" To You. Amen.
Is that you telling us what we shouldn't be reading? and what we should be reading From the Bible.
That is so weird.
No, more like saying "Don't actually go out and build an ark" (that's what God told NOAH to do, NOT YOU!)
[I'm not saying that GRACE-ambassador and I don't have a few differences in understanding of some scriptures, we do. But that'd be the gist of what he's pointing out, if you can grasp that. lol]
We ARE told in Scripture to be "CORRECTLY APPORTIONING the word of truth" (2Tim2:15)... so I agree in that sense!!
(It's ALL "TO" us, but it's not all "ABOUT" us
)funnyNo, more like saying "Don't actually go out and build an ark" (that's what God told NOAH to do, NOT YOU!)
[I'm not saying that GRACE-ambassador and I don't have a few differences in understanding of some scriptures, we do. But that'd be the gist of what he's pointing out, if you can grasp that. lol]
We ARE told in Scripture to be "CORRECTLY APPORTIONING the word of truth" (2Tim2:15)... so I agree in that sense!!
(It's ALL "TO" us, but it's not all "ABOUT" us
Yeah, so where Matthew 24:16 instructs, "Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:," that is not referring to you and me.
I can't tell you how many friends of mine have used this verse to tell me that WE are instructed "TO FLEE" (from "wherever we are")... but this verse is not saying for US to do that, see. That is to INCORRECLY APPLY this verse (not to mention, its CONTEXT).
Think, yes only to the obedience of Jesus. Faith = trust to Father only.
Father speaks Jesus listened(s) daily each morning for his instructions for that day.
Think that might be an example to us? Maybe, Does that mean do not plan?
To me it means plan yes, go ahead, plan ahead, yet stand in trust to God daily and understand it might not turn out as you might have planned. Have you experienced that?
You see the Leaven I see of evil does this: Creates expectations, I plan for this to be in the future and turns out not as I thought, what be the reaction?
Cane and Abel planned their sacrifices to God. Abel got accepted, Cane did not.
Cane became wroth, murdered Abel. Why? How?
Because the thought he lost won him over to kill. Which God warned Cane would happen, as God said to Cane he could always try again, I see that is for us all people to see and be willing to learn and not kill, steal or destroy anyone over it or anything, if one does not feel accepted, which is what creates problems and arguments and fights and no contentment in the risen Son for these in desire to live, not seeing by God only they live to begin with
Christians are expecting a seven year agreement. What if it's just an agreement And there's no 7 years written into the contract.
The Lord has put on my heart lightly, that there will be an agreement and it will only last seven years, because Jesus will come. But there will be no 7 year agreement written on paper or in the contract.. There will be an agreement and it will only last seven years. because Jesus will come back and get us.
Thus the covenant will only last seven years.
The Devil wants you to stay asleep. and he's not going to put seven years in the contract. to wake you all up.
Keep this in mind. when you see the peace agreement signed by Israel and with the many
It's an agreement that will last seven years. not a seven year agreement
When the covenant is signed with the many and it's not got seven years written into it. You will say to yourself, this is not the beginning of this 7 year tribulation. This is not the covenant. This is not Daniel. 9:27. And that's exactly what the devil wants you to think. He does not want to wake you up He does not want to wake you up and prepare for what's to come. Prepare yourself for what's to come either with faith. Build up your faith or with preparation. of where to run and hide.
When the covenant is signed with no seven years the pre-tribulationes can go back to sleep. The post tribulations can get on with business as usual. No sense of urgency.
The pre-tribulationes can continue to be pre-tribulationes and the. post-tribulationes can get back to what they think is the Lord's work With no sense of urgency.
It's just a thought that's on my heart. And I thought I'd share it.
The Lord has put on my heart lightly, that there will be an agreement and it will only last seven years, because Jesus will come. But there will be no 7 year agreement written on paper or in the contract.. There will be an agreement and it will only last seven years. because Jesus will come back and get us.
Thus the covenant will only last seven years.
The Devil wants you to stay asleep. and he's not going to put seven years in the contract. to wake you all up.
Keep this in mind. when you see the peace agreement signed by Israel and with the many
It's an agreement that will last seven years. not a seven year agreement
When the covenant is signed with the many and it's not got seven years written into it. You will say to yourself, this is not the beginning of this 7 year tribulation. This is not the covenant. This is not Daniel. 9:27. And that's exactly what the devil wants you to think. He does not want to wake you up He does not want to wake you up and prepare for what's to come. Prepare yourself for what's to come either with faith. Build up your faith or with preparation. of where to run and hide.
When the covenant is signed with no seven years the pre-tribulationes can go back to sleep. The post tribulations can get on with business as usual. No sense of urgency.
The pre-tribulationes can continue to be pre-tribulationes and the. post-tribulationes can get back to what they think is the Lord's work With no sense of urgency.
It's just a thought that's on my heart. And I thought I'd share it.
I really like the channel that the previous video comes from! Here's another great video from that channel. This time it's about there being no pre-tribulation rapture with scriptures provided. She explains it so well.
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She's very encouraging and inspiring and she puts God first in preparing for the great tribulation. Please watch it and let me know how you're preparing as well!
I know you were inviting post-tribbers to comment. I hope you don't mind that I watched your video (twice!!), even though I'm a pre-tribber.
Even though I obviously DISAGREE with her take on it, I will say that I can agree with a couple parts of what she said:
--(at the 2:53-2:58-min mark) she says, "Jesus specifically says so shall the coming of the Son of man be, it doesn't say the pretribulation rapture"
RIGHT[!], because this text (and context) is all about Jesus' Second Coming TO THE EARTH, FOR the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age (as ALL "Son of man cometh / coming / shall come / etc" speak to [His earthly designation], as I've been pointing out);
(so... is she saying she does NOT believe we ['the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY'] will be "G726 - SNATCHed - harpagēsometha" ? Can she even identify "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" in Scripture?);
--(at the 3:36-3:40-min mark) she says, "He didn't say pre-tribulation, Jesus does not return before the tribulation, only after the tribulation"
... which "RETURN" word (as used in Scripture) speaks of the following (His Second Coming TO THE EARTH):
... "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding..." THEN "the meal [G347]" - Luke 12:36-37,38,40,42-44,45-48 (PARALLEL Matt24:42-51!);
[and]
..."RETURN" Luke 19:12,15,17,19 (PARALLEL Matt25:14-30) - when He will deal out responsibilities having to do with "have thou authority over TEN CITIES" and "over FIVE CITIES" (note "CITIES" are ON THE EARTH)... etc...
... these ^ are NOT "RAPTURE" contexts.
So EVEN we "pre-tribbers" AGREE that "JESUS DOES NOT 'RETURN' BEFORE THE TRIBULATION" because these "RETURN" passages speak specifically regarding His Second Coming ['RETURN'] TO THE EARTH--She should learn to use words biblically... (meaning, the way they are used in the Bible--ALL OF US AGREE He will "RETURN" [to the earth] at Rev19 His Second Coming TO THE EARTH time-slot.
Pre-tribbers are not claiming He "RETURNS" (to the earth) at the time of "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]"... at least not ones who are careful with their words.
Many other of her points I've already addressed in numerous past posts / threads.
She sounds as though she has never sat under good solid teaching. I find that rather unfortunate.
That's my 2 cents, regarding what she says in her video you posted.
(every one of her points has been addressed in numerous past posts--she's not made any new points that other post-tribbers haven't already said [...and, likewise, been corrected about, lol])
I know you were inviting post-tribbers to comment. I hope you don't mind that I watched your video (twice!!), even though I'm a pre-tribber.
Even though I obviously DISAGREE with her take on it, I will say that I can agree with a couple parts of what she said:
--(at the 2:53-2:58-min mark) she says, "Jesus specifically says so shall the coming of the Son of man be, it doesn't say the pretribulation rapture"
RIGHT[!], because this text (and context) is all about Jesus' Second Coming TO THE EARTH, FOR the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age (as ALL "Son of man cometh / coming / shall come / etc" speak to [His earthly designation], as I've been pointing out);
(so... is she saying she does NOT believe we ['the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY'] will be "G726 - SNATCHed - harpagēsometha" ? Can she even identify "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" in Scripture?);
--(at the 3:36-3:40-min mark) she says, "He didn't say pre-tribulation, Jesus does not return before the tribulation, only after the tribulation"
... which "RETURN" word (as used in Scripture) speaks of the following (His Second Coming TO THE EARTH):
... "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding..." THEN "the meal [G347]" - Luke 12:36-37,38,40,42-44,45-48 (PARALLEL Matt24:42-51!);
[and]
..."RETURN" Luke 19:12,15,17,19 (PARALLEL Matt25:14-30) - when He will deal out responsibilities having to do with "have thou authority over TEN CITIES" and "over FIVE CITIES" (note "CITIES" are ON THE EARTH)... etc...
... these ^ are NOT "RAPTURE" contexts.
So EVEN we "pre-tribbers" AGREE that "JESUS DOES NOT 'RETURN' BEFORE THE TRIBULATION" because these "RETURN" passages speak specifically regarding His Second Coming ['RETURN'] TO THE EARTH--She should learn to use words biblically... (meaning, the way they are used in the Bible--ALL OF US AGREE He will "RETURN" [to the earth] at Rev19 His Second Coming TO THE EARTH time-slot.
Pre-tribbers are not claiming He "RETURNS" (to the earth) at the time of "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]"... at least not ones who are careful with their words.
Many other of her points I've already addressed in numerous past posts / threads.
She sounds as though she has never sat under good solid teaching. I find that rather unfortunate.
That's my 2 cents, regarding what she says in her video you posted.
(every one of her points has been addressed in numerous past posts--she's not made any new points that other post-tribbers haven't already said [...and, likewise, been corrected about, lol])
All I care about is that you watched her video because her points are going to stick with you when the great tribulation comes and you're still here. All the info and verses she explained will fall into place and become clear to you then.
As you can see, I no longer debate the rapture with you because it would be a waste of time. You're not going to change your mind, but you will when the great tribulation is here with you still in it. But I hope you will continue to watch or read my posts about preparing for the inevitable survival through the great tribulation. They will be helpful to you to get through it with you faith intact and enduring to the end.
Thank you so much for watching!
^ Well, I will just place this here for the readers...
...since in your post ^ you put the phrase "the great tribulation" three times, I feel the need to say this:
--the "GREAT tribulation" is only the SECOND HALF (of the 7 year period); It consists of "the THREE WOES" (associated with Trumpets 5, 6, 7--per Rev8:13) and "the SEVEN VIALS" (concluding with Armageddon and Christ's Second Coming to the earth, FOR the earthly MK age);
--but the FIRST HALF (of the 7 year period) consists of "the SEVEN SEALS," and "TRUMPETS 1-4"; There will be MUCH "death / martyrdom / killing" taking place IN THE FIRST HALF (this is NOT YET what is called "GREAT tribulation" which only starts at the MID-trib point when the AOD occurs)
I agree with what Tall Timbers said earlier in this thread.
Not to mention the fact that Paul states, that "God SHALL SEND TO THEM [to certain ones] strong delusion SO THAT THEY should believe the LIE / the FALSE / the PSEUDEI" in that future time-period we call The Tribulation Period (i.e. in the 7-year period, under present discussion).
[and no offense, but I won't be watching any other of those videos ; I only watched THAT one because you'd pointed out how she talks about the Bible in it--I found her "explanations" of the pertinent Scriptures sorely lacking, That's too bad.]
...since in your post ^ you put the phrase "the great tribulation" three times, I feel the need to say this:
--the "GREAT tribulation" is only the SECOND HALF (of the 7 year period); It consists of "the THREE WOES" (associated with Trumpets 5, 6, 7--per Rev8:13) and "the SEVEN VIALS" (concluding with Armageddon and Christ's Second Coming to the earth, FOR the earthly MK age);
--but the FIRST HALF (of the 7 year period) consists of "the SEVEN SEALS," and "TRUMPETS 1-4"; There will be MUCH "death / martyrdom / killing" taking place IN THE FIRST HALF (this is NOT YET what is called "GREAT tribulation" which only starts at the MID-trib point when the AOD occurs)
I agree with what Tall Timbers said earlier in this thread.
Not to mention the fact that Paul states, that "God SHALL SEND TO THEM [to certain ones] strong delusion SO THAT THEY should believe the LIE / the FALSE / the PSEUDEI" in that future time-period we call The Tribulation Period (i.e. in the 7-year period, under present discussion).
[and no offense, but I won't be watching any other of those videos
; I only watched THAT one because you'd pointed out how she talks about the Bible in it--I found her "explanations" of the pertinent Scriptures sorely lacking, That's too bad.]
^ Well, I will just place this here for the readers...
...since in your post ^ you put the phrase "the great tribulation" three times, I feel the need to say this:
--the "GREAT tribulation" is only the SECOND HALF (of the 7 year period); It consists of "the THREE WOES" (associated with Trumpets 5, 6, 7--per Rev8:13) and "the SEVEN VIALS" (concluding with Armageddon and Christ's Second Coming to the earth, FOR the earthly MK age);
--but the FIRST HALF (of the 7 year period) consists of "the SEVEN SEALS," and "TRUMPETS 1-4"; There will be MUCH "death / martyrdom / killing" taking place IN THE FIRST HALF (this is NOT YET what is called "GREAT tribulation" which only starts at the MID-trib point when the AOD occurs)
I agree with what Tall Timbers said earlier in this thread.
Not to mention the fact that Paul states, that "God SHALL SEND TO THEM [to certain ones] strong delusion SO THAT THEY should believe the LIE / the FALSE / the PSEUDEI" in that future time-period we call The Tribulation Period (i.e. in the 7-year period, under present discussion).
[and no offense, but I won't be watching any other of those videos
That's okay too if you don't want to watch anything from me.
I'm glad that you already know all about the terrible things that will happen in the last 7 years of this age. That way, you won't be completely surprised about all the horrible things to expect, including that strong delusion you mentioned, when you realize you're still here and the Lord won't be collecting us until after the 7 years are up. I do have to admit that I'm extremely interested in how pre-tribbers are dealing with each passing day getting closer to the last 7 years of this age and still being here. I see a lot of them claim that they can feel God is going to make it happen soon, when that's not what the Bible says. I'm like,
!I know it will be different for each pre-tribber but sooner or later, one-by-one, they're going to realize that this teaching is false. There will definitely be a whole variety of different ways they will deal with this, but I am praying that ultimately they recover quickly and ask God to help them endure to the end.
Except you are beating a dead horse.
1) the AC is given power to overcome christians.
2) He ARRIVES AT THE TRIB, as a king or ruler and a Killer.
3) ALL, not some, receive the mark that are not written in the Lamb's Book of Life.
4) the Antichrist is overcome, according to the Bible, "by the blood of the Lamb and the word of the testimony and they love not their lives unto death".
That means they are martyred they love not their lives unto death means that the AC is given power and that he marks every person on the earth and if you refuse you die.
so you don't have any standing with that theory of yours that Christians go through the tribulation it just it's not going to happen.
you're going to be martyred
You know, for a Christian being martyred is not a terrible thing. It's actually quite an honor.
How about you? Are you looking forward to being martyred?