Question for those who believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture

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The passages you quoted do not say that some Christians avoided the mark.

They overcame the beast because Jesus overcame the beast.

Here's what two of the passages say (contrary to your notion):

Rev14 -

Rev 14:9
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.



Rev 15 (a passage I quoted yesterday) -

Rev 15:2
And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.



This latter verse (15:2) isn't saying they "received" the mark... It is showing that THEY DID NOT!





Neither did the "still-living" saints in 20:4a [/Dan7:22,27b] (end of trib)... These saints (20:4a) will ENTER the MK age in their mortal bodies (never having DIED like the ones in 20:4b had... and why they [in 20:4b] are shown to be resurrected [same word used of Jesus in 2:8--"which was dead, and IS ALIVE"--That speaks to bodily resurrection, which is defined as "TO STAND AGAIN [on the earth]" after having been physically / bodily DEAD).
 

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Acts 1:11
And they said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus,
who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you
have watched Him go
into heaven."

There is no secret return of Jesus to grab the saints.
Why would Jesus mention the Rapture at that time?

The Church age did not begin until Pentecost.
Those were still Jews, not yet Christians.

And, mostly!


Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will
sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body
must put on immortality. 1 Corinthians 15:51-3​

The Rapture was a mystery to the Jews, to be hidden until the right time for its unveiling!

Paul was raised up of God to reveal mysteries that had been hidden prior to the Church age!
Mysteries that were hidden!


Although I am less than the least of all the Lord’s people, this grace was given me:
to preach to the Gentiles the boundless riches of Christ, and to make plain to everyone
the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who
created all things. His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom
of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms.
Ephesians 3:8-10​


It was a mystery that was hidden!

There would have been no mention of the Rapture in the Gospels! No mention in the OT!
It was a mystery that was to remain hidden until the right time.


See it now?