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Its a 2-way street ember. I also have the right to support sport hunting. It is legal, and protected by law. I rest my case.
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I hunt, and I used to trap as well.
I hunt because I am part of God's creation. I have as much right to exsist as does a Wolf a Bear or a Deer for that matter.
So many experts who know nothing and don't even bother to try to learn.
The animals I hunt live free, part of a healthy natural enviornment. The anti this and anti that crowd live on store bought food that took hundreds of acres of natural habitat out of production for nature and devoted it to production to feed and cloth a few overfed humans instead of hundreds of wild creatures.
You stand in judgement over me yet you and your lifestyle do thousands more times the damage to nature then my life style.
I may cause an animal a few seconds of pain, but that's not usually how it happens. Contrary to what PETA claim, a properly placed bullet does not cause an animal any pain in most cases. Ask any soldier who has experianced being hit and he or she will tell you that one feels nothing for many minutes, sometimes it takes a few hours for the pain to happen. A properly placed bullet kills in seconds.
Meanwhile the animals you displaced with your city lots and market gardens to feed you suffer, not for a few seconds or minutes. They suffer for weeks, months, and years. They die a slow painful death from starvation because their habitat was take for use to grow human food or they die from disease caused by overcrowding again cause by the lack of habitat taken to feed the hungry swarms of anti hunting fanatics.
I've got no time to argue with fools. I would rather feed my flesh to wild animals then to sit for one minute with hypoctates who call themselves animal lovers.
Oh and for what it's worth. I'm NOT 16 years old. My kids were 16 years old or older the day you were born so don't try lecturing me about what is cruel cause you'll only wind up looking the fool.
I hunt because I am part of God's creation. I have as much right to exsist as does a Wolf a Bear or a Deer for that matter.
So many experts who know nothing and don't even bother to try to learn.
The animals I hunt live free, part of a healthy natural enviornment. The anti this and anti that crowd live on store bought food that took hundreds of acres of natural habitat out of production for nature and devoted it to production to feed and cloth a few overfed humans instead of hundreds of wild creatures.
You stand in judgement over me yet you and your lifestyle do thousands more times the damage to nature then my life style.
I may cause an animal a few seconds of pain, but that's not usually how it happens. Contrary to what PETA claim, a properly placed bullet does not cause an animal any pain in most cases. Ask any soldier who has experianced being hit and he or she will tell you that one feels nothing for many minutes, sometimes it takes a few hours for the pain to happen. A properly placed bullet kills in seconds.
Meanwhile the animals you displaced with your city lots and market gardens to feed you suffer, not for a few seconds or minutes. They suffer for weeks, months, and years. They die a slow painful death from starvation because their habitat was take for use to grow human food or they die from disease caused by overcrowding again cause by the lack of habitat taken to feed the hungry swarms of anti hunting fanatics.
I've got no time to argue with fools. I would rather feed my flesh to wild animals then to sit for one minute with hypoctates who call themselves animal lovers.
Oh and for what it's worth. I'm NOT 16 years old. My kids were 16 years old or older the day you were born so don't try lecturing me about what is cruel cause you'll only wind up looking the fool.
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The whole world is full of boasting and bragging ..you cant take peoples rights away because you think they don't have the right motives ... This is America ... people can hunt and brag if they want to
The whole world is full of boasting and bragging ..you cant take peoples rights away because you think they don't have the right motives ... This is America ... people can hunt and brag if they want to.
And that's something to be proud of?Pride goeth before a fall- Jesus
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ember
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this has to be the most ridiculous thread in some time
no matter how many times a person says, in different words but basically the same meaning, that a person is going to do what they are going to do you still get folks insisting on their rights
listen guys? are you sure you have rights? I'm asking because you seem awfully threatened every time I voice my own personal opinion
honestly...
going to another thread where bigger boys and girls play
no matter how many times a person says, in different words but basically the same meaning, that a person is going to do what they are going to do you still get folks insisting on their rights
listen guys? are you sure you have rights? I'm asking because you seem awfully threatened every time I voice my own personal opinion
honestly...
going to another thread where bigger boys and girls play
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Colt45Bullet
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Mitspa
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The whole world is full of boasting and bragging ..you cant take peoples rights away because you think they don't have the right motives ... This is America ... people can hunt and brag if they want to.
And that's something to be proud of?
No its pride to believe that one has a right to take away another persons rights.
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Mitspa
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It wasn't a heart issue.
It was what was being offered.
Leviticus 17:11 [SUP] [/SUP]For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
There was no blood in Cain's offering.
Its also why God forbid Noah to eat meat with the blood still in it. Because the blood is important.
I disagree completely with your biblical 'scholars'. I don't think there would be something forbidden that they weren't currently doing. Which is the whole reason it gets forbidden.
I wouldn't say threatened.
I would say more like shocked.
It would be like someone telling you that they didn't think you should breathe anymore because you are taking up all the oxygen for everyone else.
And then show in the bible that people didn't breathe before Noah because of a command God gave.
I really don't understand how someone who is not against eating meat, which you obviously aren't, can possibly be against hunting.
It just seems like you are making things up in your own head because you are too squeemish to do the killing yourself.
Most of the time I am not bothered by the opinions of others. Make no mistake, in this debate 99 percent of the objections to hunting are based on opinion only. That in of itself doesn't get to me, but the ferocity and intensity of the objections do.
There are things a few people do under the guise of hunting that I don't like either, we call it poaching. The rest of the objections are way off base in most cases.
First, no one I know gets a thrill out of the death of an animal. Most hunters get a thrill out of the achieving a goal, a successful end to a hunt for example. Many of us get a sense of accomplishment out of outmaneuvering a willy and alert quarry. Personally I find death discomforting, even distasteful. I don't like washing dishes either, but I do that and I hunt because I prefer to not leave my dirty work to others.
I also hunt because I want to know a bit more about what I eat then what some promoter writes on a package. I want organic to be organic, not just a sales gimmick. I want my food to be as chemical free as possible. And I want to know that my food was not contaminated for the sake of profit.
Yes I hunt, and I pick wild fruit and make jams and jellies, wine and pie fillings. I harvest wild mushrooms too. And I fish and I gather wild plants such as wild mint and Lambs Quarters. And I garden and when possible I buy grain from local farmers for my cereal and flour when I can get it milled.
I do understand the objection to trophy hunting, misguided though it is. Yes some hunters seek trophies but for the overwhelming majority that is not all they want from a hunt. For most trophy hunters, the trophy is only a visible reminder of a time enjoyed in the wild.
There are other trophy hunters, a very few who seek only to hang a set of antlers on their wall or have their photo in a magazine or book. Men and women who have no interest in the hunt itself or the meat they harvest.
I find that distasteful and egocentric, but that is for that hunter to live with. It IS legal so I will not protest against it no matter what I think on a personal level. That's the mature thing to do in my opinion.
Yes, we are back to opinions. They say everyone has an opinion. We also all have bare skin under our cloths. Exposure of some skin is acceptable but most of us understand that there are limits to how much skin we should expose.
Opinions are like that. It is acceptable to expose some of our opinions, but most ought to be kept to ourselves.
Opinions based on misinformation or imaginations are front and center of those that should be kept to oneself.
Most of the objections to hunting are based on misinformation or imaginations. Talk to hunters, go on a hunting trip, eat some wild meat, walk a day in my shoes and then you will have an opinion worth hearing.
There are things a few people do under the guise of hunting that I don't like either, we call it poaching. The rest of the objections are way off base in most cases.
First, no one I know gets a thrill out of the death of an animal. Most hunters get a thrill out of the achieving a goal, a successful end to a hunt for example. Many of us get a sense of accomplishment out of outmaneuvering a willy and alert quarry. Personally I find death discomforting, even distasteful. I don't like washing dishes either, but I do that and I hunt because I prefer to not leave my dirty work to others.
I also hunt because I want to know a bit more about what I eat then what some promoter writes on a package. I want organic to be organic, not just a sales gimmick. I want my food to be as chemical free as possible. And I want to know that my food was not contaminated for the sake of profit.
Yes I hunt, and I pick wild fruit and make jams and jellies, wine and pie fillings. I harvest wild mushrooms too. And I fish and I gather wild plants such as wild mint and Lambs Quarters. And I garden and when possible I buy grain from local farmers for my cereal and flour when I can get it milled.
I do understand the objection to trophy hunting, misguided though it is. Yes some hunters seek trophies but for the overwhelming majority that is not all they want from a hunt. For most trophy hunters, the trophy is only a visible reminder of a time enjoyed in the wild.
There are other trophy hunters, a very few who seek only to hang a set of antlers on their wall or have their photo in a magazine or book. Men and women who have no interest in the hunt itself or the meat they harvest.
I find that distasteful and egocentric, but that is for that hunter to live with. It IS legal so I will not protest against it no matter what I think on a personal level. That's the mature thing to do in my opinion.
Yes, we are back to opinions. They say everyone has an opinion. We also all have bare skin under our cloths. Exposure of some skin is acceptable but most of us understand that there are limits to how much skin we should expose.
Opinions are like that. It is acceptable to expose some of our opinions, but most ought to be kept to ourselves.
Opinions based on misinformation or imaginations are front and center of those that should be kept to oneself.
Most of the objections to hunting are based on misinformation or imaginations. Talk to hunters, go on a hunting trip, eat some wild meat, walk a day in my shoes and then you will have an opinion worth hearing.
How very mature of you. I hope you find the next sandbox to your liking. Don't forget to take your ball with you.
In the last few decades, there has been more concern about the environment and the effect that humans are having on it. People nationwide are trying to pass environmental laws to protect natural resources. Everyone agrees that the environment needs to be protected and managed, but they do not agree on how it must be done. Texas will vote this November on Proposition 6 (SJR 22) a constitutional amendment to protect people’s right to hunt and fish. “The proposed amendment would establish hunting and fishing as the preferred method of managing and controlling wildlife in Texas”1 The disagreements between environmentalists and hunters has brought the issue of hunting and fishing to the forefront in America.
Environmentalists and hunters both support the environment and wildlife protection. They are both concerned about the growth and spread of urban areas. Poaching is an area where both environmentalist and hunters are in agreement. Environmentalists and hunters both want to see the natural beauty and wildlife of America passed on to the next generation, but they disagree on how to reach this goal. Environmentalists believe that to kill an animal is wrong but some of them are the same people who buy meat at the supermarket. They also feel animals who die by hunting endure immense suffering. Environmentalists point out that overhunting is not the only harm hunters do to the natural ecosystem, Their vehicles turn up the ground-altering the land, they cut down trees to cause clearings not natural in the environment. It has been proven that when people can devalue life they are better able to inflict violence. The mind of a child is vulnerable to witnessing violent acts, and this would include hunting. Violence to an animal can be a stepping stone to violence against people. “Dehumanization is a psychological process through which others are derogative likened to ‘animals’ and perceived as ‘less human.”2 The environmentalist believes hunting as a family tradition has outlived its time in modern society where hunting and gathering are no longer the way of life.
In contrast to environmentalists, hunters see hunting as a way to teach traditions, life, death, and love for the environment to the next generation. “..Hunters considered hunting as an important educational opportunity for young generations”3 Children learn to follow the limits of hunting set in the license for hunting and respect for authority. Children who hunt get physical exercise and are not sitting inside playing video games all day. They are also learning about hard work, preparation, and commitment! Hunting is character building. By hunting children are learning respect for life and the environment.
There are benefits that hunters feel they gain from hunting. Hormones and antibiotics in the meat bought at the grocery store are believed to cause health problems by some people. When hunting they are providing food for their family that they feel is healthier. Wild game does not have the added health concerns of what people are doing to the meat that is being consumed by the family. Wild game is leaner meat that adds to the health value. Hunters find that hunting gives time to reflect on life and the beauty of creation. The beauty they find in the sunrise and the stillness of morning as the earth starts to awaken draws many of them into a deeper relationship with their God. They become humbled by the majestic beauty stretched out before them. Hunting is a way for them to have their place in the universe come into clearer focus.
Hunters see the land and people as interconnected, if people as children are not taught this interconnection, then they can make uninformed decisions or laws that can affect everyone. “Hunting is vital to the conservation and sustainable management of wildlife populations.”4 Hunters believe they help the environment through population control not only with the big game but also through rabbit and squirrel hunting. A concern in some areas is big game on the roads and highways. Deer getting hit by vehicles on the highway cause injuries, death, and expensive repairs. Without hunting game, animal populations would rise and when that happens so, do predator populations. An increase in predators and loss of habitat increases the danger to the human population.
Hunters practice with their chosen weapon, so they can become proficient enough to kill a game animal with minimal pain. “Most hunters are concerned to limit suffering on the part of the hunted animal, as evidenced by the ethic of making a ‘clean shot,' one that involves fast and efficient killing. Hunters consider it a failure to injure an animal.”5 In the case where a hunter makes “a bad shot,” they will do all they can to retrieve the animal. When rifle hunting animals die very fast with a clean shot. Hunters prepare themselves through education and carrying proper equipment and as part of their efforts to limit the animals suffering.
One way hunters help the environment is through money spent on fees and equipment. “In 2011, North American hunters spent 138.3 billion with $3 billion directed exclusively to conservation [endeavors]. These efforts are the foundation of the conservation funding system.”6 Environmentalists do not give as much money to conservation efforts as hunters, but their point of view is often the one most heard. Hunters have given large portions of their money to protect wildlife and the environment, but this s not acknowledged by the environmentalists. People can tell what is important to an individual by what they spend their money on. “Hunting advocates propose that through sustainable hunting “win-win” scenarios are achieved where species survival, economic growth, indigenous rights, and hunting as a right are mutually supportive.”7 Hunters would like to work with environmentalist, but as long as hunters are looked at as the enemy this cannot happen.
The rape of the environment is done in many ways, and the sad thing is environmentalists and hunters both want a healthy environment, but instead of coming together and finding their common ground they attack each other. To hunt, a person needs to blend into the environment. Hunters like environmentalists are outraged by the garbage and destruction to the environment they sometimes find. Environmentalists and hunters both are grieved by the toxic pollution that has filled America’s waterways. Hunter and environmentalists could do so much to help the animals and habitats they love but choose to fight each other. As long as they choose to fight each other measures like Proposition 6 for the protection of hunting and fishing rights will continue to be put before the American people. The cry of the Texas hunter is the same cry that was uttered in Tennessee back in 2010, “If we wait until we need a right to hunt and fish, we will be too late. Anti-hunting and fishing activists have had success in other states, and they are well funded. They accomplish their objectives legislatively and through the courts.”8 Environmentalist and hunters are bystanders watching a rape and then blaming each other while the true rapists of the environment go free. The issue of the right to hunt needs to be settled and progress made for the future of the environment and the future of our children. A vote for Proposition 6, “The constitutional amendment recognizing the right of the people to hunt, fish, and harvest wildlife subject to laws that promote wildlife conservation.”9 is a step in the right direction to help conservation efforts on what is left of America’s natural wild beauty.
Bibliography
1. Votetexas.gov “november-3-2015-constitutional-amendment-election-explanatory-statements” Accessed November 4, 2015. http://votetexas.gov/november-3-2015-constitutional-amendment election-explanatory-statements
2. Costello, Kimberly Hodson, Gordon. "Explaining dehumanization among children: The interspecies model of prejudice." British Journal Of Social Psychology 53, no. 1 (March 2014): 175-197. Psychology and Behavioral Sciences Collection, EBSCOhost (accessed October 30, 2015).
3. Lee, Kangjae Jerry Dunlap, Rudy Edwards, Michael B. "The Implication of Bourdieu's Theory of Practice for Leisure Studies." Leisure Sciences 36, no. 3 (May 2014): 314-323. Psychology and Behavioral Sciences Collection, EBSCOhost (accessed October 30, 2015).
4. Hosmer, Joe. "HUNTERS VALUE WILDLIFE." Earth Island Journal 29, no. 2 (Summer2014 2014): p 44,46 TOPIC search, EBSCOhost (accessed October 30, 2015).
5. Presser, Lois, and William V. Taylor. "An autoethnography of hunting." Crime, Law & Social Change 55, no. 5 (June 2011): 483-494. SocINDEX with Full Text, EBSCOhost (accessed October 30, 2015).
6. Hosmer, Joe. "HUNTERS VALUE WILDLIFE." Earth Island Journal 29. P 44.
7. Paulson, Nels. "Representing Wildlife Management: Sustainable Hunting Narratives at the International Wildlife Museum." Nature & Culture 9, no. 1 (Spring2014 2014): 87-112.
SocINDEX with Full Text, EBSCOhost (accessed October 30, 2015).
8. PRESSER, LOIS, and JENNIFER L. SCHALLY. "Institutionalizing Harm in Tennessee: The Right of the People to Hunt and Fish." Journal Of Sociology & Social Welfare 40, no. 4 (December 2013): 169-184. SocINDEX with Full Text, EBSCOhost (accessed October 30, 2015).
9. Votetexas.gov “november-3-2015-constitutional-amendment-election-explanatory-
Environmentalists and hunters both support the environment and wildlife protection. They are both concerned about the growth and spread of urban areas. Poaching is an area where both environmentalist and hunters are in agreement. Environmentalists and hunters both want to see the natural beauty and wildlife of America passed on to the next generation, but they disagree on how to reach this goal. Environmentalists believe that to kill an animal is wrong but some of them are the same people who buy meat at the supermarket. They also feel animals who die by hunting endure immense suffering. Environmentalists point out that overhunting is not the only harm hunters do to the natural ecosystem, Their vehicles turn up the ground-altering the land, they cut down trees to cause clearings not natural in the environment. It has been proven that when people can devalue life they are better able to inflict violence. The mind of a child is vulnerable to witnessing violent acts, and this would include hunting. Violence to an animal can be a stepping stone to violence against people. “Dehumanization is a psychological process through which others are derogative likened to ‘animals’ and perceived as ‘less human.”2 The environmentalist believes hunting as a family tradition has outlived its time in modern society where hunting and gathering are no longer the way of life.
In contrast to environmentalists, hunters see hunting as a way to teach traditions, life, death, and love for the environment to the next generation. “..Hunters considered hunting as an important educational opportunity for young generations”3 Children learn to follow the limits of hunting set in the license for hunting and respect for authority. Children who hunt get physical exercise and are not sitting inside playing video games all day. They are also learning about hard work, preparation, and commitment! Hunting is character building. By hunting children are learning respect for life and the environment.
There are benefits that hunters feel they gain from hunting. Hormones and antibiotics in the meat bought at the grocery store are believed to cause health problems by some people. When hunting they are providing food for their family that they feel is healthier. Wild game does not have the added health concerns of what people are doing to the meat that is being consumed by the family. Wild game is leaner meat that adds to the health value. Hunters find that hunting gives time to reflect on life and the beauty of creation. The beauty they find in the sunrise and the stillness of morning as the earth starts to awaken draws many of them into a deeper relationship with their God. They become humbled by the majestic beauty stretched out before them. Hunting is a way for them to have their place in the universe come into clearer focus.
Hunters see the land and people as interconnected, if people as children are not taught this interconnection, then they can make uninformed decisions or laws that can affect everyone. “Hunting is vital to the conservation and sustainable management of wildlife populations.”4 Hunters believe they help the environment through population control not only with the big game but also through rabbit and squirrel hunting. A concern in some areas is big game on the roads and highways. Deer getting hit by vehicles on the highway cause injuries, death, and expensive repairs. Without hunting game, animal populations would rise and when that happens so, do predator populations. An increase in predators and loss of habitat increases the danger to the human population.
Hunters practice with their chosen weapon, so they can become proficient enough to kill a game animal with minimal pain. “Most hunters are concerned to limit suffering on the part of the hunted animal, as evidenced by the ethic of making a ‘clean shot,' one that involves fast and efficient killing. Hunters consider it a failure to injure an animal.”5 In the case where a hunter makes “a bad shot,” they will do all they can to retrieve the animal. When rifle hunting animals die very fast with a clean shot. Hunters prepare themselves through education and carrying proper equipment and as part of their efforts to limit the animals suffering.
One way hunters help the environment is through money spent on fees and equipment. “In 2011, North American hunters spent 138.3 billion with $3 billion directed exclusively to conservation [endeavors]. These efforts are the foundation of the conservation funding system.”6 Environmentalists do not give as much money to conservation efforts as hunters, but their point of view is often the one most heard. Hunters have given large portions of their money to protect wildlife and the environment, but this s not acknowledged by the environmentalists. People can tell what is important to an individual by what they spend their money on. “Hunting advocates propose that through sustainable hunting “win-win” scenarios are achieved where species survival, economic growth, indigenous rights, and hunting as a right are mutually supportive.”7 Hunters would like to work with environmentalist, but as long as hunters are looked at as the enemy this cannot happen.
The rape of the environment is done in many ways, and the sad thing is environmentalists and hunters both want a healthy environment, but instead of coming together and finding their common ground they attack each other. To hunt, a person needs to blend into the environment. Hunters like environmentalists are outraged by the garbage and destruction to the environment they sometimes find. Environmentalists and hunters both are grieved by the toxic pollution that has filled America’s waterways. Hunter and environmentalists could do so much to help the animals and habitats they love but choose to fight each other. As long as they choose to fight each other measures like Proposition 6 for the protection of hunting and fishing rights will continue to be put before the American people. The cry of the Texas hunter is the same cry that was uttered in Tennessee back in 2010, “If we wait until we need a right to hunt and fish, we will be too late. Anti-hunting and fishing activists have had success in other states, and they are well funded. They accomplish their objectives legislatively and through the courts.”8 Environmentalist and hunters are bystanders watching a rape and then blaming each other while the true rapists of the environment go free. The issue of the right to hunt needs to be settled and progress made for the future of the environment and the future of our children. A vote for Proposition 6, “The constitutional amendment recognizing the right of the people to hunt, fish, and harvest wildlife subject to laws that promote wildlife conservation.”9 is a step in the right direction to help conservation efforts on what is left of America’s natural wild beauty.
Bibliography
1. Votetexas.gov “november-3-2015-constitutional-amendment-election-explanatory-statements” Accessed November 4, 2015. http://votetexas.gov/november-3-2015-constitutional-amendment election-explanatory-statements
2. Costello, Kimberly Hodson, Gordon. "Explaining dehumanization among children: The interspecies model of prejudice." British Journal Of Social Psychology 53, no. 1 (March 2014): 175-197. Psychology and Behavioral Sciences Collection, EBSCOhost (accessed October 30, 2015).
3. Lee, Kangjae Jerry Dunlap, Rudy Edwards, Michael B. "The Implication of Bourdieu's Theory of Practice for Leisure Studies." Leisure Sciences 36, no. 3 (May 2014): 314-323. Psychology and Behavioral Sciences Collection, EBSCOhost (accessed October 30, 2015).
4. Hosmer, Joe. "HUNTERS VALUE WILDLIFE." Earth Island Journal 29, no. 2 (Summer2014 2014): p 44,46 TOPIC search, EBSCOhost (accessed October 30, 2015).
5. Presser, Lois, and William V. Taylor. "An autoethnography of hunting." Crime, Law & Social Change 55, no. 5 (June 2011): 483-494. SocINDEX with Full Text, EBSCOhost (accessed October 30, 2015).
6. Hosmer, Joe. "HUNTERS VALUE WILDLIFE." Earth Island Journal 29. P 44.
7. Paulson, Nels. "Representing Wildlife Management: Sustainable Hunting Narratives at the International Wildlife Museum." Nature & Culture 9, no. 1 (Spring2014 2014): 87-112.
SocINDEX with Full Text, EBSCOhost (accessed October 30, 2015).
8. PRESSER, LOIS, and JENNIFER L. SCHALLY. "Institutionalizing Harm in Tennessee: The Right of the People to Hunt and Fish." Journal Of Sociology & Social Welfare 40, no. 4 (December 2013): 169-184. SocINDEX with Full Text, EBSCOhost (accessed October 30, 2015).
9. Votetexas.gov “november-3-2015-constitutional-amendment-election-explanatory-