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you make me laugh snail!
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walt2000
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I think the j,w's are wrong in their interp. of the 144,000, I think it is the city built on the foundation of the 12 tribes .I think that is a mutable mega number.Built on those foundation stones. The city based on the
Tribes ,Jewish ,Christian Elements.walt2000
Tribes ,Jewish ,Christian Elements.walt2000
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walt2000
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Twelve Gates = Twelve pearls = Christian twelve cubits =walls Don't you see The use of the No.twelve.
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Very nice post, simple and true. Their best "rapture" verses they pull from here and there can't stand up to the simplicity of Christ's teaching here. Thank you. It was strange to see someone post negative things about you when all you did was provide scripture, their problem is with the word of God.
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miktre
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I just wanted to comment on these verses quickly because they are easily misunderstood by many. Now Christ has clearly separated these verses, one by day and one by night.
In that day is when Christ comes.
In that night is when satan is here and the one taken is worshipping the false husband and is no longer a spiritual virgin.
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walt2000
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TWELVE: Perfection of government. Twelve is the number of the Church, both the Old Covenant Church of Israel founded by 12 physical fathers (the 12 sons of Israel) and the New Covenant Church founded by 12 spiritual fathers (the 12 Apostles). This number also has a relationship to rule along with multiples of 12.
dont you see the literalness and the calculation?
- 12 signs of the zodiac (these ancient symbols are found in Jewish synagogues of the 1st century AD)
- The circle of the heavens = 360’ (12 x 30)
- The product of 3 (perfection of divinity) x 4 (the number of the earth)
- 12 tribes of Israel
- 12 prophets of Old Testament
- 12 months of a year
- Jesus is 12 when He questions the scholars in the Temple [Luke 2:41]
- 12 legions of angles [Matthew 26:53]
- 12 Apostles [Matthew 10:2-4; Mark 3:13-19; Luke 6:13]
- 12 foundations of the Heavenly Jerusalem Revelation 7:4; 21:16, 17
dont you see the literalness and the calculation?
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walt2000
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I know your trying to be a little sarcastic here .But numbers do have a definite use when it comes to the bible.That is the use of Germatria ,Yes even Forty.
FORTY: This number is recognized as an important number, both on account of the frequency of its occurrence and with the uniformity of its association both as a time of consecration and as a period of trial.
- 40 day epic periods during the great flood. [Genesis 7:4, 12, 17,8:6]
- 40 days Moses was on the Mountain to receive the Law of the Sinai Covenant [Exodus 24:18]
- 40 days the children of Israel were tested while Moses was on the mountain
- 40 days Moses was on the Mountain after the golden calf. [Exodus 34:28]
- 40 days of Jonah in the Assyrian city of Nineveh [Jonah 3:4]
- 40 days Ezekiel lay on his right side to symbolize the 40 years of Judah’s transgression [Ezekiel 29:11]
- 40 days Jesus fasted in the wilderness before his trial of temptation by Satan [Matthew 4:2; Mark 1:13; Luke 4:2]
- 40 days Jesus taught His disciples after the Resurrection. On the fortieth day He ascended to the Father. [Acts 1:3]
- 40 years was the age of Isaac when he married Rebekah [Genesis 25:20]
- 40 years from the first Pentecost at Sinai to the taking of the Promised land [Joshua 5:6]
- 40 years from the Resurrection to the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70AD
- 40 years of Moses in Egypt (by Jewish Tradition)
- 40 years of Moses in Midian before his return to Egypt
- 40 years Israel ate manna [Exodus 16:35; Deuteronomy 29:5]
- 40 years was Joshua's age when Moses sent him to reconnoiter on Canaan [Joshua 14:7]
- 40 years Eli judged Israel [1 Samuel 4:18]
- 40 years of war between Israel and the Philistines
- 40 years of David as King. [2 Samuel 5:5; 1 Chronicles 29:26-27]
- 40 years of Solomon as King. [2 Chronicles 9:30]
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walt2000
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Why Not? Revelation, is composed of symbolic numbers, That is the method and ,the way it is used ,to understand it.
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walt2000
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Revelation reveled.revelations proved .Seven thunders to seven church's, It is that simple.
WELL, DOE'S ANY BODY HAVE ANY REASON WHY EVERY THING LINES UP IN THE CHART I GAVE YOU? all scripture is in order, and not placing ,And spacing them in order ,to make a point.
Find your question vertically, in the Seven Thunders,and then find your answer horizontally .
this is a gemartria no.--------------------------------------------------------no.27027
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0 = a space no. that can be discarded
Remember the 0 is a spacer,and can be discarded,so what I get is as fallows
27072--------- 27 books in the bible come to revelations,
2+7- 0- 7+2
9- 0- 9 the spacer in gemartria can be removed so we get
9+9 then
18 then
9
In gemartria the number nine is,the number of Finality,,judgment,Fruit of the spirit, Divine completeness from the father
The two no.are basic to light and creation put the no.s together you get a palindrome-27072
and we have the lowest number evenly divisible by each other.well in gemartria of the old test the number 27 is the number of light.
The Hebrew word for light adds p to 207 and multiplies to 12 since zeros are merely place holders it can be written in gemartria as 27.The same Hebrew word is sometimes translated Sun.The same Hebrew meaning to illuminate ,
now 72 =
New test word for seeds from Greek meaning ,that from life springs ,it bas the no.720 ,The title ,Lord God in Heaven also adds up to 72
he is from that life springs.
So Christ is the -- 27=light of the world
and.72=lord god in heaven
light = lord god in heaven prophesy,also= revelations.
The making of the chart you may just as well just print them as given.It is a sequential use, of scripture.
As for its use .The vertical lines tell the events ,the horizontal lines explain the event.
If you have a particular question ?Find out where it is vertically on the chart then read the answer horizontally.Thunders 1,2,3,4,5,6,7
There are seven stories told from seven vantage points .it is a seven dimensional look in to the future of one event ,the church on earth.and it's redemption in heaven,The more you look at it the more you will see.Look at it All waly2000
WELL, DOE'S ANY BODY HAVE ANY REASON WHY EVERY THING LINES UP IN THE CHART I GAVE YOU? all scripture is in order, and not placing ,And spacing them in order ,to make a point.
Find your question vertically, in the Seven Thunders,and then find your answer horizontally .
this is a gemartria no.--------------------------------------------------------no.27027
--
0 = a space no. that can be discarded
Remember the 0 is a spacer,and can be discarded,so what I get is as fallows
27072--------- 27 books in the bible come to revelations,
2+7- 0- 7+2
9- 0- 9 the spacer in gemartria can be removed so we get
9+9 then
18 then
9
In gemartria the number nine is,the number of Finality,,judgment,Fruit of the spirit, Divine completeness from the father
The two no.are basic to light and creation put the no.s together you get a palindrome-27072
and we have the lowest number evenly divisible by each other.well in gemartria of the old test the number 27 is the number of light.
The Hebrew word for light adds p to 207 and multiplies to 12 since zeros are merely place holders it can be written in gemartria as 27.The same Hebrew word is sometimes translated Sun.The same Hebrew meaning to illuminate ,
now 72 =
New test word for seeds from Greek meaning ,that from life springs ,it bas the no.720 ,The title ,Lord God in Heaven also adds up to 72
he is from that life springs.
So Christ is the -- 27=light of the world
and.72=lord god in heaven
light = lord god in heaven prophesy,also= revelations.
The making of the chart you may just as well just print them as given.It is a sequential use, of scripture.
As for its use .The vertical lines tell the events ,the horizontal lines explain the event.
If you have a particular question ?Find out where it is vertically on the chart then read the answer horizontally.Thunders 1,2,3,4,5,6,7
There are seven stories told from seven vantage points .it is a seven dimensional look in to the future of one event ,the church on earth.and it's redemption in heaven,The more you look at it the more you will see.Look at it All waly2000
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greatkraw
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stillearning
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What would it take to convience you that Jesus is coming in our generation? How many scriptures would it take to convience you that Jesus comes AFTER the tribulation? What would it take to convience you that Jesus coming is not a secret or hidden event?
As prophecies unfold we have many christians still not believing that Jesus is coming in our life time and after the tribulation. Jesus is a man of His Word! He wants us to know the signs and times. Why? So that we can be prepared, ready, waiting, and watching for the glorious event of Jesus' coming.
Many do not want to suffer and die for Christ's sake. Many do not want to know the truth. Many are afraid to go through any pesecutions, trials, or tribulation.
I ask you what did Jesus withhold from you? Nothing! Jesus gave up all for us. Jesus left His throne of glory. His heavenly of heavenlies to come to earth as a servant in human form. There was not one thing that Jesus withheld from us.
Jesus gave up everything and every drop of His blood was shed for us. Jesus did not hold anything back from us. This also includes His Word. Jesus wants us to know the signs and the times. Jesus wants us to have His Word in good ground where we understand it and bring forth fruits. These fruits are other souls into His Kingdom.
What kind of God would Jesus be if He knew something terrible was coming to His people and did not warn them?
If right now where you sit, I knew a tornado was coming toward your house and did not tell you, would you think I loved you? Jesus warned us of what is coming before His coming.
This warning is called Great Tribulation.
Jesus told us in Matthew ch. 24, Mark ch. 13, & Luke ch. 21. These warnings (prophecies) are happening right before our eyes. One must have eyes to see them and ears to hear.
Jesus did not hide the prophecies from His children. He gave us many signs to warn us and to prepare us for what is ahead.
Jesus Warnings....
Matthew 24:4-31
Take heed that no man deceive you (Matt. 24:4)
Many shall come in My name saying "I am Christ" (Matt. 24:5)
Wars and rumours of Wars... The END is NOT Yet (Matt. 24:5)
Nation shal rise against nation, kingdom against kingdom, famines, pestilences, and earthquakes (Matt. 24:7)
These are the begining of sorrows
They shall deliver you up, kill you, and hate you for Jesus' Name sake.
Many shall be offended, betray and hate one another (Matt. 24:10)
Many false prophets shall arise and deceive many {Matt. 24:11)
Iniquity shall abound and love of many shall wax (grow) cold (Matt. 24:12)
He that endureth until the end, the same shall be saved (Matt. 24:13)
Gospel of the kingdom preached in all the world..and then shall the end come (Matt. 24:14)
Those in Judaea flle into the mountains (Matt. 24:16)
Matt. 24:17- 20
Elect's sake those days are shortened
[ Jews are God's Elect. Those days are Great Tribulation (Wrath of Satan/Rev. 12:12) and they are shortened because Jesus shows up after the 3 1/2 yr. Great Tribulation (Wrath of Satan/Rev. 12:12)
Matt. 24:19-26
Matt. 24;27-31
Jesus also said this in Mark ch. 13 and Luke ch. 21
Peace and Safety:
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
War with the saints:
Great Tribulation:
Wrath of Satan (Rev. 12:12)
144,000 receive a seal in their foreheads...NUMBERED
Great Multitude No man could NUMBER (Rev. 7:9-17)
[144,000 =Jews and Great Multitude = Saints]
These are they that COME OUT of GREAT TRIBULATION (Rev. 7:14)
Ye shall have Tribulation (John 16:33)
Jesus prayed:
Jhn 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
False teachings of a "Rapture" to save their lives:
Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
Mar 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
Luk 9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
Luk 17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord:
Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are]the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
Dead in Christ rise first:
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Two Witnesses are Dead in Christ:
Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Christ's coming No Secret:
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Christ comes at the Last Trump:
1Cr 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
God's Wrath is the 7 Vials:
(Rev. 15:1, 6,7 and Rev. 16:1)
Blessed:
Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
As prophecies unfold we have many christians still not believing that Jesus is coming in our life time and after the tribulation. Jesus is a man of His Word! He wants us to know the signs and times. Why? So that we can be prepared, ready, waiting, and watching for the glorious event of Jesus' coming.
Many do not want to suffer and die for Christ's sake. Many do not want to know the truth. Many are afraid to go through any pesecutions, trials, or tribulation.
I ask you what did Jesus withhold from you? Nothing! Jesus gave up all for us. Jesus left His throne of glory. His heavenly of heavenlies to come to earth as a servant in human form. There was not one thing that Jesus withheld from us.
Jesus gave up everything and every drop of His blood was shed for us. Jesus did not hold anything back from us. This also includes His Word. Jesus wants us to know the signs and the times. Jesus wants us to have His Word in good ground where we understand it and bring forth fruits. These fruits are other souls into His Kingdom.
What kind of God would Jesus be if He knew something terrible was coming to His people and did not warn them?
If right now where you sit, I knew a tornado was coming toward your house and did not tell you, would you think I loved you? Jesus warned us of what is coming before His coming.
This warning is called Great Tribulation.
Jesus told us in Matthew ch. 24, Mark ch. 13, & Luke ch. 21. These warnings (prophecies) are happening right before our eyes. One must have eyes to see them and ears to hear.
Jesus did not hide the prophecies from His children. He gave us many signs to warn us and to prepare us for what is ahead.
Jesus Warnings....
Matthew 24:4-31
Take heed that no man deceive you (Matt. 24:4)
Many shall come in My name saying "I am Christ" (Matt. 24:5)
Wars and rumours of Wars... The END is NOT Yet (Matt. 24:5)
Nation shal rise against nation, kingdom against kingdom, famines, pestilences, and earthquakes (Matt. 24:7)
These are the begining of sorrows
They shall deliver you up, kill you, and hate you for Jesus' Name sake.
Many shall be offended, betray and hate one another (Matt. 24:10)
Many false prophets shall arise and deceive many {Matt. 24:11)
Iniquity shall abound and love of many shall wax (grow) cold (Matt. 24:12)
He that endureth until the end, the same shall be saved (Matt. 24:13)
Gospel of the kingdom preached in all the world..and then shall the end come (Matt. 24:14)
Those in Judaea flle into the mountains (Matt. 24:16)
Matt. 24:17- 20
Elect's sake those days are shortened
[ Jews are God's Elect. Those days are Great Tribulation (Wrath of Satan/Rev. 12:12) and they are shortened because Jesus shows up after the 3 1/2 yr. Great Tribulation (Wrath of Satan/Rev. 12:12)
Matt. 24:19-26
Matt. 24;27-31
Jesus also said this in Mark ch. 13 and Luke ch. 21
Peace and Safety:
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
War with the saints:
Great Tribulation:
Wrath of Satan (Rev. 12:12)
144,000 receive a seal in their foreheads...NUMBERED
Great Multitude No man could NUMBER (Rev. 7:9-17)
[144,000 =Jews and Great Multitude = Saints]
These are they that COME OUT of GREAT TRIBULATION (Rev. 7:14)
Ye shall have Tribulation (John 16:33)
Jesus prayed:
Jhn 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
False teachings of a "Rapture" to save their lives:
Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
Mar 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
Luk 9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
Luk 17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord:
Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are]the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
Dead in Christ rise first:
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Two Witnesses are Dead in Christ:
Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Christ's coming No Secret:
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Christ comes at the Last Trump:
1Cr 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
God's Wrath is the 7 Vials:
(Rev. 15:1, 6,7 and Rev. 16:1)
Blessed:
Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
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I don't think many of us would disagree that it will be coming in this generation.
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greatkraw
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I don't think many of us would disagree that it will be coming in this generation.
the previous 2 generations would not have agreed as well
there is a differernce between the rapture and the second advent
Oh my! Martin Luther and all the saints of old got it wrong... It's not the Pope! Thanks Miktre for clearing this up!
Those Christians who the Papacy burnt at the stake for translating the Bible had it all wrong. Thank goodness God has sent us Miktre so that the truth can finally be known to the world!
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