Rapture

[GRACE_ambassador]

ok so what does this have to do with the rapture then?

Precious friend, great question:

The rapture is not found in prophecy, because it has the Prophesied Second Coming of Christ within the gospel of the kingdom.

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

God's Great GRACE Departure (aka rapture) Is Found only In God's Revelation Of The Mystery,
within The Gospel Of The Grace Of God!

More Rightly Divided study is here:

Basic Distinctions (14 +) Of Prophecy vs Mystery!
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[ Update/Additions #’s: (19) (20) (21) (22) (23) (24) ]

And, Please Be Very Richly Encouraged And Edified In Christ,
And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!

Amen.

 

[Blain]

Precious friend, great question:

The rapture is not found in prophecy, because it has the Prophesied Second Coming of Christ within the gospel of the kingdom.

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

God's Great GRACE Departure (aka rapture) Is Found only In God's Revelation Of The Mystery,
within The Gospel Of The Grace Of God!

More Rightly Divided study is here:

Basic Distinctions (14 +) Of Prophecy vs Mystery!
+
[ Update/Additions #’s: (19) (20) (21) (22) (23) (24) ]

And, Please Be Very Richly Encouraged And Edified In Christ,
And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!

Amen.

But it is in prophecy 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord

 

[Haidabo]

Precious friend, no it does not, since we are "Saved By Grace Through faith" belief/trust in
The Finished Work Of Christ On The Cross.

How come Jesus never said
Any of this you have stated?

The only thing that
Was finished on the cross
Was Jesus fulfilling
The scriptures
Of him dying on the cross.

 

[Haidabo]

Does one's belief in the timing of rapture (pre tribulation, during tribulation, etc) affect one's salvation?

Didn't Paul and all his followers
Believe they were going to be
Raptured?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

But it is in prophecy 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord

That's to watch the wrath of God being poured out upon the earth. After that is done everyone will descend to earth to rule and reign forever. From the clouds you either have to go up to heaven or down to earth, and there is no scripture attesting to the former.

 

[Blain]

That's to watch the wrath of God being poured out upon the earth. After that is done everyone will descend to earth to rule and reign forever. From the clouds you either have to go up to heaven or down to earth, and there is no scripture attesting to the former.

Does it not say so here?
1 Thessalonians 4:17 (KJV)
Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Does it not say so here?
1 Thessalonians 4:17 (KJV)
Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Yeah meet him in the clouds and return to earth to be with him forever more. Do you seriously think our future is in the clouds?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Can't trample the wicked underfoot while floating in clouds

And you shall trample [the] lawless ones; and they will be ashes underneath your feet in the day which I prepare, says [the] LORD almighty. Malachi 4:3​

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

But it is in prophecy 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord

Precious friend, yes, Good catch! There is a [ rapture ] prophecy ''Within" God's Mystery Within Dispensation Of Grace For The Body Of Christ!

However, we should be Very Prayerful And Carefulnot to take it out of "God's Context"
(Bible study Rule #3!) and then try to (for centuries?) blend / homogenize it to "fit" into
God's Other Prophetic Program for His Chosen Nation of Israel, thus Causing Massive
Confusion. Again, we review:

Prophecy / Covenant / Law is For ( earthly ) Israel, with the gospel of the kingdom, and:

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The kingdom was prophesied “since the world began” (Luke 1:68-70; Acts 3:21 AV)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

God's Mystery, With The Gospel Of His { Amazing } Grace, for [ Heavenly ] His Body, Which
Was Chosen In CHRIST "before the world began," But “kept secret since the world began!”
(Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:4-11, 3:5-9 AV)

And, thus God's Plain And Clear Scriptures, Rightly Divided, Teach us a "pre-trib" rapture:

God's Great GRACE Departure!

Praying that you will Prayerfully and Carefully Consider These Things and that your heart:

"...might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto All Riches of the​

Full Assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of The Mystery of God,​

and of the Father, and of Christ; In Whom are hid All The Treasures of wisdom and​

knowledge."​

Amen.

 

[Blain]

Yeah meet him in the clouds and return to earth to be with him forever more. Do you seriously think our future is in the clouds?

Yes I do

 

[Jackson129]

I think it might be the new heaven and the new earth where we go. The 4 horseman and the 7 year tribulation is gonna leave the earth uninhabitable. Isreal has an estimated 400 nukes. They wouldn't hesitate to use if they were about to be over run for instance. Then with the vials with all water gone. Every city will look like Berlin after ww2. Plus after the 1000 year reign satan is let loose one more time to deceive the masses from gog to magog. And they number like the sand of the seashore. How are there that many people again. So maybe we get a new earth to live on again. Just a thought.

 

[GaryA]

I do trust him and I am not afraid to die for the cause of Christ my issue is that it doesn't make sense to make us do that just to be resurected and then the rapture happens.
the tribulation is seven years in this short period of time lets say that we go through it are tportured and killed only to be resurected a few or so years later but for what purpose though? a test of faith? a declaration of loyalty? what purpose do we go through this how does it benefit God?

It glorifies God.

It serves as a testimony for the salvation of lost souls who witness it.

It may result in a martyrs crown and/or other reward(s) for the saint.

However, it is not that there is a list of things that it is "for"; rather, it is simply a necessary part of the larger-picture plan of God.

 

[Melach]

Jesus did establish the new covenant with Israel and Judah, as promised, in the persons of the 11 disciples. What do you think the last supper was? It was the covenant meal. If there were no covenant then you would be lost in sin and perish forever.

this so much. i dont understand where this new strange belief comes from that the new covenant isnt here yet. actually i do know, from the pits of hell

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The first covenant was established by the agreement of all the people. This two party agreement would also be required for the new covenant as well. Not just representatives. The age that would come with the earthly kingdom has been described as filled with supernatural power of which the early Jewish church was only a "taste"

Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

This is a good point that proves God's new covenant is not with a physical nation in the land of Israel bound together by physical circumcision, but with a people of faith in the land of Israel, and then throughout all nations, that are bound together in one spiritual body by spiritual circumcision and grafted into the stock of the true Israel. Jesus Christ, the firstborn and inheritor of all the promises made to Israel by God.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The first covenant was made with an entire nation consisting of believers and unbelievers bound together by physical circumcision. The new covenant was made only with a believing remnant of that nation who are bound together in spiritual circumcision. It is impossible for an unbeliever to enter this spiritual city/nation, thus fulfilling these prophecies describing the spiritual purity of the new Jerusalem

Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts. Zechariah 14:21​

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So shall ye know that I [am] the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more. Joel 3:17​

 

[Psalm1]

1 Thessalonians 1:10 - and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

The great tribulation which Christians will go through is not the wrath of God that Jesus will protect us from. The great tribulation is satan's wrath against God's people.

We're to learn to endure in Christ and not fall away when we go through the great tribulation which even Jesus said will be the worst of all time. We can make it through this only in Jesus!


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When you read that everyone on the planet takes the mark not written in the book of life, and that power is given to the Antichrist to overcome the saints,
And that refusing the mark is guaranteed martyrdom, what do you do with all of that??

 

[Psalm1]

In searching the new testament scriptures, I find the word "rapture" is no where to be found. This is a man made doctrine based on a vision seen by Margaret MacDonald in 1830 and brought into the church. The book "The Incredible Cover-up" by Dave MacPherson exposes the origins of the rapture theories that are now taught in many churches. Our gathering back to the Lord does not take place until AFTER the tribulation of Satan as Antichrist, Math 24:29-30, Mark 13:24-27, II Thes 2:8-9.

The first ones taken in the field are taken by Satan in his role as Antichrist because he comes first claiming to be God and the people are deceived into worshipping him thinking he is God, II Thes 2:3-4. Satan will cause a very great falling away from the true God through his signs and miracles, Rev 13:11-14. The ones left behind are the ones that know he is a fake and will stand against him to expose his lies with the Holy Spirit speaking through them, Math 10:16-20. We are nearing the end of this earth age. Study to find yourself approved and escape the coming tribulation simply be knowing the truth....that Satan comes first and is an imposter!

Lol
The parade of non issues is endless with postribs.
Miss Mcdonald was a postribber.
Inspite of her dream , she believed the church must go through the trib for "cleansing".
Do you guys check anything out?

First ones are taken by satan?

That's pretty odd because Jesus said that the setting is ; normal life, planning for the future, Commerce, every day life, marriage, and betrothal.

Your setting IS EXACTLY OPPOSITE.
Another thing you change is that the setting is before the flood.... and before the flood, there was normal life normal activities, buying and selling, just a very peaceful normal life, complete with planning for the future.
But you have an entirely different setting of " in the the tribulation" ,with the 4 horsemen and people being slaughtered that believe in Jesus with no planning for the future, But everybody running for their lives.

you also insist that half taken means half of earth's population is wicked and half righteous.
So even the group you identify is TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE.

have you ever read on to finish Jesus thought????

He told THE RIGHTEOUS TO WATCH AND BE READY.

Your Doctrine has us to believe that the wicked, are to watch and be ready PREFLOOD/PRETRIB for angels to come and take them to slaughter.

 

[Psalm1]

Can't trample the wicked underfoot while floating in clouds

And you shall trample [the] lawless ones; and they will be ashes underneath your feet in the day which I prepare, says [the] LORD almighty. Malachi 4:3​

Then cut Rev 14:14 out of your bible

 

[Psalm1]

I only and ever said Pre-Wrath.

Pre Jacob's trouble 7 yr trib?
That is what the bible and Jesus taught.

 

[lrs68]

Pre Jacob's trouble 7 yr trib?
That is what the bible and Jesus taught.

No it teaches from the mouth of Jesus about the Days of Noah, Lot, and Elijah [(Pre-Wrath)].