Repentance

[garee]

You provided a BDB definition, but not for the word, "repent". A definition of a word must not use that word to define itself. Try again.

The understanding of the parable is in agreement with the definition of the word repent. . turn . . comfort.. ease. .

Its what God does when he repents and shows mercy to one that has no faith. By a work of the faith of God he turns easing himself and calls out turn giving us his unseen understanding hid in the parable. Using a "bullock" unaccustomed to the yoke of the one Good Master. A parable to represent faithless mankind ..called to turn by God. Some take more work other work with the will of God a learning curve. I am not the fastest one of my learning disabilities.

Two equals one with circular reasoning .The perfect law of God. A circuit from end to end sealed. It cannot be broken after the philosophies as oral traditions of men. . Living Words that move the other, by turning it to hear another's understanding.. No hearing of faith no turning to believe God.

Not faith coming from the creature us as those who crucify Christ over and over and over but a faith of God that works in and with new creatures . Jesus did the will of the father not his own will after the flesh .

 

[Dino246]

The understanding of the parable is in agreement with the definition of the word repent. . turn . . comfort.. ease. .

Its what God does when he repents and shows mercy to one that has no faith. By a work of the faith of God he turns easing himself and calls out turn giving us his unseen understanding hid in the parable. Using a "bullock" unaccustomed to the yoke of the one Good Master. A parable to represent faithless mankind ..called to turn by God. Some take more work other work with the will of God a learning curve. I am not the fastest one of my learning disabilities.

Two equals one with circular reasoning .The perfect law of God. A circuit from end to end sealed. It cannot be broken after the philosophies as oral traditions of men. . Living Words that move the other, by turning it to hear another's understanding.. No hearing of faith no turning to believe God.

Not faith coming from the creature us as those who crucify Christ over and over and over but a faith of God that works in and with new creatures . Jesus did the will of the father not his own will after the flesh .

I'm really not interested in your verbose blather. You have not provided the source for your definition of "repentance". Please do so.

 

[garee]

You provided a BDB definition, but not for the word, "repent". A definition of a word must not use that word to define itself. Try again.

The definition that defines the word must not be used to define it? no law no trespass.

Does that mean we are living in a wonderment and experience is the validator of spiritual unseen things of God, without any circular reasoning as a law? Sounds like the philosophies of men. today. . . Gay. . whatever your gay hearts desire it to mean .Marriage. . . . two can live cheaper than one. Less diapers.

David in his anxieties to be comforted calling out to God to turn and repent

Psalm 90:12-14 King James Version (KJV) So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.
Return, O Lord, how long? and let it repent thee concerning thy servants. O satisfy us early with thy mercy; that we may rejoice and be glad all our days.

It reminds me of the mutual work of one faith of the father with the son two working as one. Comfort one another .

Psalm 106:45King James Version And he remembered for them his covenant, and repented according to the multitude of his mercies.

 

[garee]

I'm really not interested in your verbose blather. You have not provided the source for your definition of "repentance". Please do so.

The source is the living abiding Word.As it teaches us we abide in Him the one Good Master. Is it abiding in you?

 

[Dino246]

The source is the living abiding Word.As it teaches us we abide in Him the one Good Master. Is it abiding in you?

More dodging and weaving. I am starting to believe that you are incapable of answering a direct question with a concise and straightforward answer.

 

[Reformyourself]

Repentance is produced by the Holy Spirit entering the heart of man. New man, new things. and walking not in the old.

Repentance produced by self cannot endure. Repentance produced by Christ endures for eternity. Repentance is about giving up on self worth and receiving Gods grace as a gift. Pharisees would not give up their self righteousness and were not interested in salvation by grace.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Amen Roger...The goodness of The Lord leads us to repentance. His H.S., otherwise it is simply an act, that will fail (I should know) ...Same as forgiveness. We cannot do this in our own strength. Many do, and become self righteous, taking glory for themselves. They don’t give The Lord His due glory. He does these amazing miracles in spite of us, that how we know He did it. Thank you.

 

[Reformyourself]

I'm really not interested in your verbose blather. You have not provided the source for your definition of "repentance". Please do so.

Chill dino

 

[Reformyourself]

The only sin that that's needs repentance/change of thought/direction that can't be forgiven is UNBELIEF & continued REJECTION of/in Christ's sin payment & resurrection,

Jn 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
(NOTE: Context is sin, NOT SINS! The only SIN that condemns one to eternal separation/damnation is UNBELIEF, continued REJECTION of Christ's sin payment & resurrection, until/at life's end. Jesus sin payment covers/includes all sin except rejection of His finished sin redemptive work & resurrection at life's end/your death)

Jn 12:32 Jesus said; And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
(NOTE: Jesus was lifted up on the cross & from the grave!. Everybody is drawn to/offered salvation via God's Holy Spirit. Sadly, not everyone excepts/embraces it)

Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches """of his goodness""" and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that """the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance"""?
(NOTE: It's thru the GOODNESS of GOD not thru OUR OWN great work of sin repentance, obedience or self-control. That we REPENT/change our thinking/course. It's salvations seal of indwelling Holy Spirit that leads us to REPENT/change our thinking outlook & direction > TOWARDS God & faith in Christ. Also see Acts 20:21).

Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all them which heard the word.
(NOTE: They BELIEVED (vs43) & as Peter spoke (vs44) The Holy Spirit fell on them (vs45). NO REPENTANCE of anykind here, No water baptism, No circumcision, they brought no sin sacrifice to the Temple, No law keeping etc. Thru FAITH & faith alone, they received the eternal salvation sealing (2 Cor 1:22, 2 Tim 1:14, 2 Cor 5:5) baptism with Christ's indwelling Holy Spirit)

Rom 16:26 but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, ""so that all the Gentiles might come to the obedience"" ""that comes from faith""
(NOTE: Brought to obedience/repentance/godly living, thru Faith)

Rom 1:5 "Through him we received grace" & apostleship "to call all the Gentiles to the obedience" "that comes from faith" for his name’s sake.
(NOTE: Called to FAITH, which leads to obedience & repentance)

1 Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
(NOTE: Anyone that believes they can conquer their own sin nature, without Gods help is mistaken)

the blasphemy of The H.S. leads to eternal damnation (unforgivable sin). What about the man who said ‘Lord I believe, help thou my unbelief’.

I’m sure most Christians were unbelievers (or had doubts) at some point,...the rejection of Jesus, and overcoming sin in our own strength, I can agree with. But who has not done that at some point either?

 

[Dino246]

Chill dino

You are probably unaware of the long history of interaction between Garee and myself. I don't get blunt without a good reason to do so.

 

[garee]

More dodging and weaving. I am starting to believe that you are incapable of answering a direct question with a concise and straightforward answer.

What is the direct question. and by which written authority will use use to define the words. The warning is clear.

Deuteronomy 4 King James Version (KJV)Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers giveth you. Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

The other warning to protect the integrity of the one Good Master as author and perfecter is at the end of the book of prophecy the Bible chapter 22. Revaltion

It would seem you want to make repentance a work we can do. The Bible describes that as dead faith coming from corrupted mankind as a oral tradition of men offered towards God .

What do you want the word "repent" to mean today? Webster's understanding or Rainbow Dictionary.com?. It would seem you have changed your philosophical view point (no circular reasoning) as a law not subject to change.

Where does faith come from? which One Teaching Master?

Hebrews 6 King James Version (KJV) Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

 

[Dino246]

What is the direct question. and by which written authority will use use to define the words.

See post #8.

 

[garee]

the blasphemy of The H.S. leads to eternal damnation (unforgivable sin). What about the man who said ‘Lord I believe, help thou my unbelief’.

I’m sure most Christians were unbelievers (or had doubts) at some point,...the rejection of Jesus, and overcoming sin in our own strength, I can agree with. But who has not done that at some point either?

He was moved by the Holy Spirit .The same one who revealed to him he had little faith. He is the measurer of faith as the rewarder.

Ours is always little. Like children (not childish) . Unbelievers have zero, they blaspheme the HS.

A division between faith and no faith. doubt which all do is not the opposite of faith. Unbelief no faith is.

 

[Reformyourself]

You are probably unaware of the long history of interaction between Garee and myself. I don't get blunt without a good reason to do so.

Change your mind, change your heart

we can’t change our own hearts. BUT Change our mind (take every thought captive to obey Christ) I can agree with. Easier said than done though 😐

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Ephesians 2:10
King James version

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

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Romans 12:1-2
King James Version

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

 

[garee]

I'm really not interested in your verbose blather. You have not provided the source for your definition of "repentance". Please do so.

I have posted it more than once. You simply do not accept it.

Two turning first he works in us to turn us then after we turned we comfort our own self. . Like David said in the Psalms when I awake your are still there

Jeremiah 31:17-19 King James Version (KJV) And there is hope in thine end, saith the Lord, that thy children shall come again to their own border. I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the Lord my God. Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth. Jerimiah 31;18-18

What is your understanding of the parable above?

Parables always seem to get in your way and it would seem you are missing out on the spiritual understanding. Why literalize the signified understanding? Are we promoted to?

Where is that prescription? Don't rightfully divide the parables . Literalize the signified understanding. as in they are not prophecy and neither is tongues.

 

[Dino246]

I have posted it more than once. You simply do not accept it.

I don't accept it because it is not a definition.

What is your understanding of the parable above?

I understand that it is not a parable.

Parables always seem to get in your way and it would seem you are missing out on the spiritual understanding. Why literalize the signified understanding?

Where you assume everything is a parable, I don't. I accept the plain text as plain language where it is plain language, and as symbolic where it is symbolic.

 

[Blik]

When we take our sin to Christ for forgiveness, we accept that what Christ did for us cleans us of all sin and we are righteous. To repent is to accept that and want to be righteous, to not want the sin in our life any longer. Why would we accept being free of the sin if we actually wanted the sin more than the righteousness under Christ?

Repentance is not wanting to sin, turning from it.

That doesn't mean that we are able on our own to magically achieve this. Paul puts it this way in Romans 7- 15 I don’t really understand myself, for I want to do what is right, but I don’t do it. Instead, I do what I hate. 16 But if I know that what I am doing is wrong, this shows that I agree that the law is good. 17 So I am not the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.

18 And I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[a] I want to do what is right, but I can’t. 19 I want to do what is good, but I don’t. I don’t want to do what is wrong, but I do it anyway. 20 But if I do what I don’t want to do, I am not really the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.

 

[Reformyourself]

When we take our sin to Christ for forgiveness, we accept that what Christ did for us cleans us of all sin and we are righteous. To repent is to accept that and want to be righteous, to not want the sin in our life any longer. Why would we accept being free of the sin if we actually wanted the sin more than the righteousness under Christ?

Repentance is not wanting to sin, turning from it.

That doesn't mean that we are able on our own to magically achieve this. Paul puts it this way in Romans 7- 15 I don’t really understand myself, for I want to do what is right, but I don’t do it. Instead, I do what I hate. 16 But if I know that what I am doing is wrong, this shows that I agree that the law is good. 17 So I am not the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.

18 And I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[a] I want to do what is right, but I can’t. 19 I want to do what is good, but I don’t. I don’t want to do what is wrong, but I do it anyway. 20 But if I do what I don’t want to do, I am not really the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.

Isn’t the ex chief of sinners Dr. Paul a great example of Jesus’s perfecting?
1 Thess. 5:23
Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; [entirely] and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. He who calls you is faithful, who also will do it.

 

[Prycejosh1987]

What is true repentance?
I'm thinking about The Lord's words...'blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted'

I assume that it refers to persecution most of all, and of course dealing with fleshly desires. Its not fun ignoring earthly desires and focusing on God.