Replacement theology? Yes or No.

[Revelation1v8]

Well like I stated without the correct hermeneutic scripture can be made to say anything.
Just plain eisegesis because it ignores audience relevance.

Here is what my AI states:

"Ho aiōn ho mellōn" (ὁ αἰὼν ὁ μέλλων) is a Greek New Testament phrase that translates literally to "the age about to come" or "the future age." In Christian Covenant eschatology this phrase serves as a foundational linguistic and theological proof text to argue that the transition from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant occurred entirely in the first century AD, specifically culminating in the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. [1, 2, 3, 4]

I am sure the people who received the letters fully understood it had relevance to them not millenenia into the future!!!

I realize now, how dispensationalism is about a generation of ethnic salvation lottery winners, kinda like Calvinism. Hmmm.

Some of you trying to use language in the Bible such as "the age about to come", "the future age", and "heaven and earth shall pass away" to describe the difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant is limited thinking with blinders on.

Here are all of the scriptures that refute what you are saying (gathered together by A.I. to pull them out).

This Age​

This age refers to the present era characterized by spiritual warfare, mortality, and the influence of evil, from which believers are rescued through Christ. It is described as "present," "evil," and transient.

• Matthew 12:32: States that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, "either in this age or in the age to come."
• Mark 10:30: Promises that those who sacrifice for the gospel will receive "a hundred times as much now in the present age... and in the age to come, eternal life."
• Luke 18:30: Mirrors Mark, promising that those who leave everything for God’s kingdom will receive "many times as much at this time and in the age to come, eternal life."
• Luke 20:34-35: Contrasts the "sons of this age" (who marry) with those worthy of "that age" (who neither marry nor die, being like angels).
• Galatians 1:4: Declares Jesus gave Himself to rescue us from "this present evil age."
• Ephesians 1:21: Describes Christ as seated far above all authority, "not only in this age but also in the one to come."
• Ephesians 2:7: States God will show the riches of His grace in "the coming ages" (plural, implying future phases or eternity).
• 1 Corinthians 1:20; 2:6, 8; 3:18: Refers to the "wisdom of this age" and "rulers of this age" who are passing away or being nullified by God’s wisdom.
• 2 Corinthians 4:4: Identifies Satan as the "god of this age," who blinds the minds of unbelievers.
• Titus 2:12: Instructs believers to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in "the present age."
• 1 Timothy 6:17-19: Warns the rich in "this age" not to hope in wealth but to store up treasure for the future.
• Hebrews 6:5: Speaks of those who have tasted the "age to come" (implying a foretaste in the present).
• Romans 12:2: Urges believers not to be conformed to "this world" (or age).
• Matthew 13:39-40, 49: Refers to the "end of the age" as the time of harvest and separation by angels.
• Matthew 24:3, 28:20: Mentions the "close of the age" and "the end of the age" in the context of Jesus’ coming and the Great Commission.
• Luke 16:8: Refers to the "sons of this age" being shrewder than the sons of light.

The Age to Come​

The age to come refers to the future era inaugurated by Christ’s return, featuring the resurrection, eternal life, the new heavens and earth, and the full realization of God’s kingdom.

• Matthew 12:32: As above, notes unforgivable sin applies to neither "this age nor the age to come."
• Mark 10:30: Promises "eternal life" in the "age to come" for those who follow Jesus.
• Luke 18:30: Promises "eternal life" in the "age to come."
• Luke 20:35: Describes those worthy of "that age" and the resurrection from the dead.
• Ephesians 1:21: Christ is above all power "in the one to come."
• Ephesians 2:7: God will show grace in "the coming ages."
• 1 Timothy 6:19: Urges laying hold of "that which is truly life," which is associated with the coming age.
• Hebrews 6:5: Mentions tasting the "word of God and the powers of the age to come."
• Matthew 19:28-29: Jesus promises disciples will sit on thrones in the "regeneration" (rebirth/age to come) and inherit "eternal life."
• Luke 20:34-36: Contrasts the current age with "that age" where the resurrected are "sons of God, being sons of the resurrection."
• Mark 10:29-30: Parallels Luke 18:30, promising "eternal life" in the "age to come."
• Luke 18:29-30: Parallels Mark 10:30, promising "eternal life" in the "age to come."

Summary of Reference​

• This Age: Characterized by mortality, marriage, persecution, evil rulers (Satan), and temporal wealth. It is ending or "passing away."
• The Age to Come: Characterized by eternal life, resurrection, no marriage, immortality (like angels), and the full reign of Christ. It is the eternal state or the Millennial Kingdom depending on the theological interpretation (Amillennial vs. Premillennial), but universally refers to the post-judgment, God-ruled reality.

 

[OMC]

Some of you trying to use language in the Bible such as "the age about to come", "the future age", and "heaven and earth shall pass away" to describe the difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant is limited thinking with blinders on.

Here are all of the scriptures that refute what you are saying (gathered together by A.I. to pull them out).

This Age​

This age refers to the present era characterized by spiritual warfare, mortality, and the influence of evil, from which believers are rescued through Christ. It is described as "present," "evil," and transient.

• Matthew 12:32: States that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, "either in this age or in the age to come."
• Mark 10:30: Promises that those who sacrifice for the gospel will receive "a hundred times as much now in the present age... and in the age to come, eternal life."
• Luke 18:30: Mirrors Mark, promising that those who leave everything for God’s kingdom will receive "many times as much at this time and in the age to come, eternal life."
• Luke 20:34-35: Contrasts the "sons of this age" (who marry) with those worthy of "that age" (who neither marry nor die, being like angels).
• Galatians 1:4: Declares Jesus gave Himself to rescue us from "this present evil age."
• Ephesians 1:21: Describes Christ as seated far above all authority, "not only in this age but also in the one to come."
• Ephesians 2:7: States God will show the riches of His grace in "the coming ages" (plural, implying future phases or eternity).
• 1 Corinthians 1:20; 2:6, 8; 3:18: Refers to the "wisdom of this age" and "rulers of this age" who are passing away or being nullified by God’s wisdom.
• 2 Corinthians 4:4: Identifies Satan as the "god of this age," who blinds the minds of unbelievers.
• Titus 2:12: Instructs believers to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in "the present age."
• 1 Timothy 6:17-19: Warns the rich in "this age" not to hope in wealth but to store up treasure for the future.
• Hebrews 6:5: Speaks of those who have tasted the "age to come" (implying a foretaste in the present).
• Romans 12:2: Urges believers not to be conformed to "this world" (or age).
• Matthew 13:39-40, 49: Refers to the "end of the age" as the time of harvest and separation by angels.
• Matthew 24:3, 28:20: Mentions the "close of the age" and "the end of the age" in the context of Jesus’ coming and the Great Commission.
• Luke 16:8: Refers to the "sons of this age" being shrewder than the sons of light.

The Age to Come​

The age to come refers to the future era inaugurated by Christ’s return, featuring the resurrection, eternal life, the new heavens and earth, and the full realization of God’s kingdom.

• Matthew 12:32: As above, notes unforgivable sin applies to neither "this age nor the age to come."
• Mark 10:30: Promises "eternal life" in the "age to come" for those who follow Jesus.
• Luke 18:30: Promises "eternal life" in the "age to come."
• Luke 20:35: Describes those worthy of "that age" and the resurrection from the dead.
• Ephesians 1:21: Christ is above all power "in the one to come."
• Ephesians 2:7: God will show grace in "the coming ages."
• 1 Timothy 6:19: Urges laying hold of "that which is truly life," which is associated with the coming age.
• Hebrews 6:5: Mentions tasting the "word of God and the powers of the age to come."
• Matthew 19:28-29: Jesus promises disciples will sit on thrones in the "regeneration" (rebirth/age to come) and inherit "eternal life."
• Luke 20:34-36: Contrasts the current age with "that age" where the resurrected are "sons of God, being sons of the resurrection."
• Mark 10:29-30: Parallels Luke 18:30, promising "eternal life" in the "age to come."
• Luke 18:29-30: Parallels Mark 10:30, promising "eternal life" in the "age to come."

Summary of Reference​

• This Age: Characterized by mortality, marriage, persecution, evil rulers (Satan), and temporal wealth. It is ending or "passing away."
• The Age to Come: Characterized by eternal life, resurrection, no marriage, immortality (like angels), and the full reign of Christ. It is the eternal state or the Millennial Kingdom depending on the theological interpretation (Amillennial vs. Premillennial), but universally refers to the post-judgment, God-ruled reality.

Brother, all of us have reference material, want to summarize your understanding of it?

 

[Revelation1v8]

Brother, all of us have reference material, want to summarize your understanding of it?

As for the Preterist view, they see the scriptures that have been fulfilled, but they don't recognize the same verses in the chapter and verses that point to another time to come. Near future prophecies fulfilled vs. far future prophecies yet to be fulfilled. In my opinion, not many people recognize the "prophetic telescoping" factor of prophecy as it is written.

Also, this is kind of like watching your conversation with GWH on the Psalms, arguing where one person sees the literal meaning in it, another sees the spiritual meaning to it that we can apply to Christ AND use in our everyday lives to this very day. Why? Because the scriptures were written to show literal and spiritual fulfillments along with other spiritual meanings that we can apply to our everyday lives.

When the Bible says that not one jot or tittle of the law or God's Word will pass away until heaven and earth pass away, it's because the current heaven and earth will pass away. When the Bible and God say that Israel will remain a nation as long as we have sun and moon ordinances, it's because they will remain a nation as long as we have an earth that observes the sun and the moon. However, according to Revelation 21 & 22, the permanent state of Heaven has no sun, no moon, no sea, and no temple, as they are not needed.

 

[Aaron56]

There is nothing you can teach me or anyone else. You have demonstrated the fruit you produce and no one should be listing to you. If you ignore Jesus in how you speak then what else are you ignoring? No sir, You have nothing I need.

Yeah, my ignore list is very short but cv5 is a charter member.

 

[OMC]

As for the Preterist view, they see the scriptures that have been fulfilled, but they don't recognize the same verses in the chapter and verses that point to another time to come. Near future prophecies fulfilled vs. far future prophecies yet to be fulfilled. In my opinion, not many people recognize the "prophetic telescoping" factor of prophecy as it is written.

Also, this is kind of like watching your conversation with GWH on the Psalms, arguing where one person sees the literal meaning in it, another sees the spiritual meaning to it that we can apply to Christ AND use in our everyday lives to this very day. Why? Because the scriptures were written to show literal and spiritual fulfillments along with other spiritual meanings that we can apply to our everyday lives.

When the Bible says that not one jot or tittle of the law or God's Word will pass away until heaven and earth pass away, it's because the current heaven and earth will pass away. When the Bible and God say that Israel will remain a nation as long as we have sun and moon ordinances, it's because they will remain a nation as long as we have an earth that observes the sun and the moon. However, according to Revelation 21 & 22, the permanent state of Heaven has no sun, no moon, no sea, and no temple, as they are not needed.

You’re building your argument on dual‑layer prophetic harmonization, but the verses you’re appealing to don’t teach that every prophecy has a near and far fulfillment;
Jesus explicitly says the law’s permanence is tied to His fulfillment, not to cosmic timelines — “I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil” (Matt 5:17), and the “jot and tittle” clause (Matt 5:18) is attached to that fulfillment, not to the physical heavens;
Israel’s endurance passages speak of God’s covenant faithfulness, not astronomical prophecy keys — “If those ordinances depart… then the seed of Israel also shall cease” (Jer 31:35‑37), meaning God’s promise stands, not that prophecy must be read through sun‑and‑moon cycles;
Revelation’s new creation is plainly post‑judgment — “I saw a new heaven and a new earth” (Rev 21:1), “the former things are passed away” (Rev 21:4), “the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon” (Rev 21:23), which describes the eternal state, not a hermeneutical rule for interpreting Old Testament prophecy.
Nothing in these verses teaches universal “prophetic telescoping”; some prophecies have dual horizons, but Scripture never says all do — that assumption comes from the system, not the text.

 

[cv5]

Oops there is that time of transition again, from the Old Covenant to the NEW!!
Tick Tock on futurism....hmm where is 666, the King of England,

This notion that 70AD represented THE transition from OC to NC is a figment of your imagination meant to sell supercessionism.

But the wise know better. Because this idea is not in the least supported by anything in the text.

 

[Revelation1v8]

You’re building your argument on dual‑layer prophetic harmonization, but the verses you’re appealing to don’t teach that every prophecy has a near and far fulfillment;
Jesus explicitly says the law’s permanence is tied to His fulfillment, not to cosmic timelines — “I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil” (Matt 5:17), and the “jot and tittle” clause (Matt 5:18) is attached to that fulfillment, not to the physical heavens;
Israel’s endurance passages speak of God’s covenant faithfulness, not astronomical prophecy keys — “If those ordinances depart… then the seed of Israel also shall cease” (Jer 31:35‑37), meaning God’s promise stands, not that prophecy must be read through sun‑and‑moon cycles;
Revelation’s new creation is plainly post‑judgment — “I saw a new heaven and a new earth” (Rev 21:1), “the former things are passed away” (Rev 21:4), “the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon” (Rev 21:23), which describes the eternal state, not a hermeneutical rule for interpreting Old Testament prophecy.
Nothing in these verses teaches universal “prophetic telescoping”; some prophecies have dual horizons, but Scripture never says all do — that assumption comes from the system, not the text.

I was only pointing out the ignorance of "prophetic telescoping" as a reason why Preterists believe what they do. So, it was a general statement to the thread, not to specifically address the verses I posted.

As for the "jot and tittle clause" is attached to the fulfillment of ALL THINGS that Jesus spoke of in Luke 24:44, which has NOT been completed yet, including the passing of the current heavens and earth and the passing of God's Word. In Heaven, there will not be a need for the law, the Bible, the sun or the moon. At that time, we will all have the law, God's name, AND the name of HIS CITY written on us (as shown in Revelation 3:12).

There is cosmo prophecy written into the Bible.

• Matthew 24:29-30: Describes the sun darkening, moon losing light, stars falling, and powers of heaven shaken before the Son of Man appears.
• Mark 13:24-25: Repeats the prophecy of solar and lunar darkness and stars falling from heaven after the tribulation.
• Luke 21:25-26: Foretells signs in sun, moon, and stars, causing dismay among nations as powers of heaven are shaken.
• Isaiah 13:10: States the stars and constellations will not give light, and the sun will be darkened.
• Isaiah 34:4: Predicts the heavens will be blotted out, stars darkened, sun covered with a cloud, and moon not giving light.
• Joel 2:10: Mentions wonders in the sky, sun turning to darkness, and moon to blood before the Day of the Lord.
• Joel 3:15: Notes the sun and moon growing dark and stars losing brightness.
• Amos 5:20: Asks if the Day of the Lord will not be darkness instead of light.
• Amos 8:9: Declares the Lord will make the sun go down at noon and darken the earth in broad daylight.
• Zephaniah 1:15: Describes a day of darkness and gloom, clouds, and thick darkness.
• Revelation 6:12-14: Details the sun becoming black as sackcloth, moon like blood, stars falling to earth, and the sky rolling up like a scroll.
• Revelation 8:12: Reports a third of the sun, moon, and stars being struck and darkened.
• 2 Peter 3:10: Prophesies the heavens passing away with a roar and elements being destroyed by intense heat.

 

[cv5]

There is nothing you can teach me or anyone else.

Yes, you ARE indeed unteachable. You got that one right. Congratulations,.
And yes, I am in fact correct on the matter so noted.
And yes, Fruchtenbaum is a fine scholar who outranks the vast majority, and his eschatology is just about perfect.
And yes, the views expressed around here are for the most part infantile and biblically illiterate. The fault being a failure to rightly understand the message of the OT and all things JEWISH.

Frankly, I am astonished at how people are entrenched in tawdry myths and fables that they conjure up as a means to deny the Nation Israel their right and destiny to have the Kingdom restored to them. But the psychology of denial being what it is, this I also understand.

 

[HeIsHere]

This notion that 70AD represented THE transition from OC to NC is a figment of your imagination meant to sell supercessionism.

But the wise know better. Because this idea is not in the least supported by anything in the text.

LOL, wiser than Christ Jesus.

"This generation...

 

[cv5]

cv5, what is your view on the Millennial Kingdom (or not) and its timing. How do you see and when do you see God/Jesus fulfilling His plan for Israel?

Pay attention to the granular detail in Revelation, or pay attention to the sweeping macro-scale prophecies in Daniel and elsewhere.
They all say precisely the same thing. How all of this concatenates is effortless for me and others to recognize. But the RT's and preterists are obviously not packing the gear. They are either blinded by prejudice against Israel or outright biblically illiterate.

Fortunately not my problem. I dug deep and have expended thousands of hours of diligent study and how possess the succinct truth of the matter and none of the dross.

[Rev 12:3 KJV] 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

[Rev 13:1 KJV] 1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

[Rev 17:3 KJV] 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

You are exactly right to point to the shifting of the crowns (diadems) across these three verses.

In Arnold Fruchtenbaum’s exegesis, the placement of the crowns is the crucial hermeneutical key to tracking the chronological progression of Gentile world dominion—specifically showing the prophetic gap of the Church Age and the shifting power structures within Daniel's 70th week (the Tribulation).

Fruchtenbaum teaches that as the crowns move, so does the seat of absolute authority. Here is how he exegetes the exact sequence you provided:

### 1. Revelation 12:3 — Crowns on the Seven Heads
> *"a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads."*
>
* **The Timing:** Historical timeline up to the First Century (Pre-Church Age).
* **Fruchtenbaum’s Exegesis:** The dragon is Satan. The crowns are placed on the **seven heads**, which represent the consecutive Gentile world empires (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and the future One-World system). The crowns on the heads indicate that, historically, Satan exercised his authority through these successive, singular empires one at a time.

* **The Gap:** After the sixth head (Rome), there is a prophetic pause.
The Roman Empire falls, and the prophetic clock (FOR ISRAEL) stops for the **Church Age**. The seventh head (the One-World Government) does not rise until the Church Age ends at the Rapture, paving the way for the 70th week.

### 2. Revelation 13:1 — Crowns Shift to the Ten Horns
> *"a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns..."*
>
* **The Timing:** The First Half of Daniel's 70th Week.
* **Fruchtenbaum’s Exegesis:** The crowns have now shifted from the heads to the **ten horns**. According to Fruchtenbaum's timeline, following the Rapture, a One-World Government (the 7th head) is established but quickly divides into ten regional kingdoms. The horns represent these ten kings who rule concurrently. The fact that the horns now wear the crowns shows that ruling authority has shifted from a single consecutive empire into a coalition of ten co-ruling kings. This marks the beginning stages of the Tribulation period.

### 3. Revelation 17:3 — No Crowns on Heads or Horns
> *"a scarlet coloured beast... having seven heads and ten horns."* (Notice: no crowns are mentioned).
>
* **The Timing:** The Middle of Daniel's 70th Week.
* **Fruchtenbaum’s Exegesis:** The crowns are now completely absent from both the heads and the horns. Why? Because a massive power shift has occurred. Fruchtenbaum parallels this with Daniel 7, teaching that the Antichrist (the "little horn") rises up among the ten kings. He assassinates three of them, and the remaining seven submit their authority entirely to him.
* Because the Antichrist assumes absolute, dictatorial, global control at the midpoint of the Tribulation, the ten kings lose their independent sovereign power. They are no longer crowned. The Antichrist himself—who *is* the Beast—has usurped the authority, becoming the "eighth king" mentioned later in Revelation 17:11.

### Summary of the Sequence
By paying attention to exactly where John places the crowns, Fruchtenbaum demonstrates a perfect chronological progression:
1. **Consecutive historical empires** (Crowns on heads -> followed by the Church Age).
2. **A ten-king confederacy at the start of the Tribulation** (Crowns on horns).
3. **Absolute dictatorship of the Antichrist at the midpoint of the Tribulation** (No crowns on heads or horns, because the Beast himself holds all the power).

 

[Churchgoer]

How about just let Jesus teach us?

You either with Jesus or against Jesus.

No middle ground.

Light come into the world. Come to light, or stay in darkness.

Simple!

 

[Churchgoer]

LOL, wiser than Christ Jesus.

"This generation...

Exactly, such a simple message from Jesus, they reject and twist.
Snake in garden, -> did God really say you will die?

 

[HeIsHere]

Some of you trying to use language in the Bible such as "the age about to come", "the future age", and "heaven and earth shall pass away" to describe the difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant is limited thinking with blinders on.

Here are all of the scriptures that refute what you are saying (gathered together by A.I. to pull them out).

This Age​

This age refers to the present era characterized by spiritual warfare, mortality, and the influence of evil, from which believers are rescued through Christ. It is described as "present," "evil," and transient.

• Matthew 12:32: States that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, "either in this age or in the age to come."
• Mark 10:30: Promises that those who sacrifice for the gospel will receive "a hundred times as much now in the present age... and in the age to come, eternal life."
• Luke 18:30: Mirrors Mark, promising that those who leave everything for God’s kingdom will receive "many times as much at this time and in the age to come, eternal life."
• Luke 20:34-35: Contrasts the "sons of this age" (who marry) with those worthy of "that age" (who neither marry nor die, being like angels).
• Galatians 1:4: Declares Jesus gave Himself to rescue us from "this present evil age."
• Ephesians 1:21: Describes Christ as seated far above all authority, "not only in this age but also in the one to come."
• Ephesians 2:7: States God will show the riches of His grace in "the coming ages" (plural, implying future phases or eternity).
• 1 Corinthians 1:20; 2:6, 8; 3:18: Refers to the "wisdom of this age" and "rulers of this age" who are passing away or being nullified by God’s wisdom.
• 2 Corinthians 4:4: Identifies Satan as the "god of this age," who blinds the minds of unbelievers.
• Titus 2:12: Instructs believers to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in "the present age."
• 1 Timothy 6:17-19: Warns the rich in "this age" not to hope in wealth but to store up treasure for the future.
• Hebrews 6:5: Speaks of those who have tasted the "age to come" (implying a foretaste in the present).
• Romans 12:2: Urges believers not to be conformed to "this world" (or age).
• Matthew 13:39-40, 49: Refers to the "end of the age" as the time of harvest and separation by angels.
• Matthew 24:3, 28:20: Mentions the "close of the age" and "the end of the age" in the context of Jesus’ coming and the Great Commission.
• Luke 16:8: Refers to the "sons of this age" being shrewder than the sons of light.

The Age to Come​

The age to come refers to the future era inaugurated by Christ’s return, featuring the resurrection, eternal life, the new heavens and earth, and the full realization of God’s kingdom.

• Matthew 12:32: As above, notes unforgivable sin applies to neither "this age nor the age to come."
• Mark 10:30: Promises "eternal life" in the "age to come" for those who follow Jesus.
• Luke 18:30: Promises "eternal life" in the "age to come."
• Luke 20:35: Describes those worthy of "that age" and the resurrection from the dead.
• Ephesians 1:21: Christ is above all power "in the one to come."
• Ephesians 2:7: God will show grace in "the coming ages."
• 1 Timothy 6:19: Urges laying hold of "that which is truly life," which is associated with the coming age.
• Hebrews 6:5: Mentions tasting the "word of God and the powers of the age to come."
• Matthew 19:28-29: Jesus promises disciples will sit on thrones in the "regeneration" (rebirth/age to come) and inherit "eternal life."
• Luke 20:34-36: Contrasts the current age with "that age" where the resurrected are "sons of God, being sons of the resurrection."
• Mark 10:29-30: Parallels Luke 18:30, promising "eternal life" in the "age to come."
• Luke 18:29-30: Parallels Mark 10:30, promising "eternal life" in the "age to come."

Summary of Reference​

• This Age: Characterized by mortality, marriage, persecution, evil rulers (Satan), and temporal wealth. It is ending or "passing away."
• The Age to Come: Characterized by eternal life, resurrection, no marriage, immortality (like angels), and the full reign of Christ. It is the eternal state or the Millennial Kingdom depending on the theological interpretation (Amillennial vs. Premillennial), but universally refers to the post-judgment, God-ruled reality.

This kinda reads like AI, which is fine, but always good to remember that "eternal life" is "quality of life" available presently to those who choose to believe.

This is the very sad part of futurism it creates uncertainty and denies what God has provided, available in the here and now!!
New life in Him, futurism makes that insufficient, tragic.

 

[Revelation1v8]

Pay attention to the granular detail in Revelation, or pay attention to the sweeping macro-scale prophecies in Daniel and elsewhere.
They all say precisely the same thing. How all of this concatenates is effortless for me and others to recognize. But the RT's and preterists are obviously not packing the gear. They are either blinded by prejudice against Israel or outright biblically illiterate.

Fortunately not my problem. I dug deep and have expended thousands of hours of diligent study and how possess the succinct truth of the matter and none of the dross.

[Rev 12:3 KJV] 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

[Rev 13:1 KJV] 1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

[Rev 17:3 KJV] 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

You are exactly right to point to the shifting of the crowns (diadems) across these three verses.

In Arnold Fruchtenbaum’s exegesis, the placement of the crowns is the crucial hermeneutical key to tracking the chronological progression of Gentile world dominion—specifically showing the prophetic gap of the Church Age and the shifting power structures within Daniel's 70th week (the Tribulation).

Fruchtenbaum teaches that as the crowns move, so does the seat of absolute authority. Here is how he exegetes the exact sequence you provided:

### 1. Revelation 12:3 — Crowns on the Seven Heads
> *"a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads."*
>
* **The Timing:** Historical timeline up to the First Century (Pre-Church Age).
* **Fruchtenbaum’s Exegesis:** The dragon is Satan. The crowns are placed on the **seven heads**, which represent the consecutive Gentile world empires (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and the future One-World system). The crowns on the heads indicate that, historically, Satan exercised his authority through these successive, singular empires one at a time.

* **The Gap:** After the sixth head (Rome), there is a prophetic pause.
The Roman Empire falls, and the prophetic clock (FOR ISRAEL) stops for the **Church Age**. The seventh head (the One-World Government) does not rise until the Church Age ends at the Rapture, paving the way for the 70th week.

### 2. Revelation 13:1 — Crowns Shift to the Ten Horns
> *"a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns..."*
>
* **The Timing:** The First Half of Daniel's 70th Week.
* **Fruchtenbaum’s Exegesis:** The crowns have now shifted from the heads to the **ten horns**. According to Fruchtenbaum's timeline, following the Rapture, a One-World Government (the 7th head) is established but quickly divides into ten regional kingdoms. The horns represent these ten kings who rule concurrently. The fact that the horns now wear the crowns shows that ruling authority has shifted from a single consecutive empire into a coalition of ten co-ruling kings. This marks the beginning stages of the Tribulation period.

### 3. Revelation 17:3 — No Crowns on Heads or Horns
> *"a scarlet coloured beast... having seven heads and ten horns."* (Notice: no crowns are mentioned).
>
* **The Timing:** The Middle of Daniel's 70th Week.
* **Fruchtenbaum’s Exegesis:** The crowns are now completely absent from both the heads and the horns. Why? Because a massive power shift has occurred. Fruchtenbaum parallels this with Daniel 7, teaching that the Antichrist (the "little horn") rises up among the ten kings. He assassinates three of them, and the remaining seven submit their authority entirely to him.
* Because the Antichrist assumes absolute, dictatorial, global control at the midpoint of the Tribulation, the ten kings lose their independent sovereign power. They are no longer crowned. The Antichrist himself—who *is* the Beast—has usurped the authority, becoming the "eighth king" mentioned later in Revelation 17:11.

### Summary of the Sequence
By paying attention to exactly where John places the crowns, Fruchtenbaum demonstrates a perfect chronological progression:
1. **Consecutive historical empires** (Crowns on heads -> followed by the Church Age).
2. **A ten-king confederacy at the start of the Tribulation** (Crowns on horns).
3. **Absolute dictatorship of the Antichrist at the midpoint of the Tribulation** (No crowns on heads or horns, because the Beast himself holds all the power).

I've already seen this post and I don't see it as answering my question. Maybe I should rephrase it.

Do you believe in a Millennial Kingdom?
If you do believe in a Millennial Kingdom, do you see it after the return of Jesus or before?
Do you believe the Millennial Kingdom then transitions into the permanent kingdom of Heaven afterwards?

 

[cv5]

cv5, what is your view on the Millennial Kingdom (or not) and its timing. How do you see and when do you see God/Jesus fulfilling His plan for Israel?

Oh and BTW, simply observe the quality and nature of the posts by the RT's and preterists.
For the most part they consist of irreverent vacuous "one liners" devoid of anything scholarly or edifying.
And then they invoke vague notions of Jesus or use the "hall monitor" routine as a smokescreen for their ignorance and run for cover.

 

[cv5]

I've already seen this post and I don't see it as answering my question. Maybe I should rephrase it.

Do you believe in a Millennial Kingdom?
If you do believe in a Millennial Kingdom, do you see it after the return of Jesus or before?
Do you believe the Millennial Kingdom then transitions into the permanent kingdom of Heaven afterwards?

Use the search tool and stich together my eschatology. I'm too busy with work this morning.

 

[Revelation1v8]

This kinda reads like AI, which is fine, but always good to remember that "eternal life" is "quality of life" available presently to those who choose to believe.

This is the very sad part of futurism it creates uncertainty and denies what God has provided, available in the here and now!!
New life in Him, futurism makes that insufficient, tragic.

The only thing insufficient here is your willingness to read ALL of the scriptures for what they say. While you may pass the test for receiving salvation, your lack of enthusiasm for reading ALL of God's word just makes you sound lazy.

Do you understand enough to know or realize that Jesus IS the Alpha & Omega?

 

[HeIsHere]

Exactly, such a simple message from Jesus, they reject and twist.
Snake in garden, -> did God really say you will die?

You know if this type of error only affected the individual, I would say well that is too bad because you deny yourself truth but this twisting really does have global consequences.

The rejection of what Jesus spoke very clearly, has caused and will continue to cause, immeasurable and unnecessary human suffering and I am sure it must grieve Him immensely!!

He states I give New Life and the brainwashed Christians say that is not enough.

 

[ScooterJackson]

Hmmmm. Peter refusing to eat un clean food enter a gentiles home, Paul observation of sabbath....Mount of transfiguration to build 3 tabernacles. Jesus observation of feastdays.....baptism,.....I guess I see it are bit different my friend.

OK, so you threw the Book of Hebrews out then?
It teaches the old covenant has been done away with by Jesus Who established the New Covenant

Seems you confusing Jewish culture and customs with the fact that Jesus established the New Covenant which is the Gospel of the Kingdom that started being taught with the ministry of John the Baptist going forward

Luke 16:16 - The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it

Jesus tells us the law and the prophets stopped at the start of John the Baptist's ministry which made the way for the arrival of Jesus' earthly ministry. Surely Jesus know what He's talking about right? You don't think Jesus was misinformed do you?

 

[HeIsHere]

The only thing insufficient here is your willingness to read ALL of the scriptures for what they say. While you may pass the test for receiving salvation, your lack of enthusiasm for reading ALL of God's word just makes you sound lazy.

Do you understand enough to know or realize that Jesus IS the Alpha & Omega?

All of God's word is Covenant Theology!!

I would say it is the other way around, dispensationalism is refuted in every book of of the Bible.




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