Replacement theology? Yes or No.

[HeIsHere]

Sure, and why not explain the entire Bible into the future while you are about it.
Don't worry about any history, only heretics think of that.
Just keep declaring victory and repeating yourself.
These blockheads can't understand unless you do that.

Christ Jesus was very clear with His time stamps and when He stated "YOU" he was clearly referring to the people listening to Him, just like Paul when he wrote his letters and stated YOU.

I do not care how much verbiage mumbo jumbo they devise to cover the truth, if one is honest with the text actually trusts in the words of Christ Jesus one can clearly see dispensationalism is a total fabrication.

I just had to be shown it ONCE for the scales to fall away, you know why, because I trust Christ Jesus and His words not the doctrine of men!!

 

[Revelation1v8]

Exactly Judah was just one the tribes, and after the Northern tribes went into Assyrian captivity, only Judah retained the marital name Israel. This was of course until the Husband died - Jesus Christ.




Yes they retained the Royal Line until Shiloh/Jesus Christ came



The Bible repeatedly calls the Northern tribes The House of Israel and the Southern tribes The House of Judah yes

Now ask yourself where did those tribes besides Judah, Benjamin and some Levites go to ?

And when a new marriage contract came into being with the house of Israel and the house of Judah - as stated in Hebrews and Jeremiah, what the new name they were given ?

Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people (Gentiles), there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
Hosea 1:10

Notice it says also about the numbers of them being as the sands of the sea. Does not sound like that little nation in the middle East does it.

And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Acts 11:26

Read Galatians

Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

It was Israel that had been under the law
The Northern tribes had been divorced and taken into Assyrian captivity, they lost the name Israel as we read in Hosea

It was Israel that was divorsed and needed to be redeemed.

Whereas Judah (at least the ones that did not believe) retained their name, it was left to them as a curse and a taunt, Jeremiah 24:9:

And I will deliver them to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth for their hurt, to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse, in all places whither I shall drive them.
Jeremiah 24:9

And in Isaiah 65:15, we have:

And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
Isaiah 65:15

In Mark 11, Jesus curses the fig tree, which was emblematic of the Judah nation. In verse 14, Jesus says, "No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever"

And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it.
Mark 11:14

And in verse 21:

And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.
Mark 11:21

That was a prophecy of what was to happen to the Judah Nation, in the events leading up to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.

Does the Judah nation bear any fruit today ? No, nor will it, and Christ says a tree that bears no fruit will be cut down

Luke 13:7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?
8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

Romans 9 verse 4, tells us that the promises made to Israel are still in force.

Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
Romans 9:4

Therefore, we must look for the Israelites among the Christians. These prophecies and promises to Israel have been fulfilled by the Anglo-Saxon and Scandinavian countries, therefore, the people to whom they were fulfilled are identified as Israel.

Romans 11 vere 25 tells us that Israel was to be blind to its idenity

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Romans 11:25

Whereas the Jews are not blind to their identity as Jews, although they try to fool people into believing they are Israel.

You said: "And when a new marriage contract came into being with the house of Israel and the house of Judah - as stated in Hebrews and Jeremiah, what the new name they were given ?"

I'm not sure you understand that the current house is currently divided and won't be reunited again until a future date.

The new covenant in Jeremiah 31 promises a "Covenant of Peace", which has not been fulfilled yet either.

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[Revelation1v8]

Christ Jesus was very clear with His time stamps and when He stated "YOU" he was clearly referring to the people listening to Him, just like Paul when he wrote his letters and stated YOU.

I do not care how much verbiage mumbo jumbo they devise to cover the truth, if one is honest with the text actually trusts in the words of Christ Jesus one can clearly see dispensationalism is a total fabrication.

I just had to be shown it ONCE for the scales to fall away, you know why, because I trust Christ Jesus and His words not the doctrine of men!!

I laugh at you and your "timestamps" because Beekeeper and I have already shown you how prophecies can jump from one timestamp to another in the same chapter and sometimes the same verse. You just have to read it carefully in order to understand this.

You didn't trust Jesus Christ because you're not following the prophecies that He Himself laid out for you in the Bible.

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[WayneNSO]

"Therefore, we must look for the Israelites among the Christians. These prophecies and promises to Israel have been fulfilled by the Anglo-Saxon and Scandinavian countries, therefore, the people to whom they were fulfilled are identified as Israel."

The Anglo-Israelite heresy is supported by nothing but bizarre convoluted myths and conspiracy theories.
Anyways, let the board be warned.....

I am not an Anglo-Israelite but I have come to expect nothing more than mislabels from you - trying to create strawmen in your ignorance. If you believe that the Northern tribes did not become gentile nations, that is all conspiracy theory - then you are saying the bible is a conspiracy book, maybe it is, but the bible is the truth conspiracies and all

But we all know you do not follow the Bible you follow Jewish fables instead

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Then there was @cv5 who searched Arnold Fruchtenbaum instead

 

[Beekeeper]

However you want to describe it, either way, they are two different instruments being used to describe two different events.

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But how do you get around the fact that the trumpet/trombone in 1 Thessalonians brought on the "sudden destruction" as well?

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then SUDDEN DESTRUCTION cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

 

[Beekeeper]

Christ Jesus was very clear with His time stamps and when He stated "YOU" he was clearly referring to the people listening to Him, just like Paul when he wrote his letters and stated YOU.

I do not care how much verbiage mumbo jumbo they devise to cover the truth, if one is honest with the text actually trusts in the words of Christ Jesus one can clearly see dispensationalism is a total fabrication.

I just had to be shown it ONCE for the scales to fall away, you know why, because I trust Christ Jesus and His words not the doctrine of men!!

Dispensationalists have ridden into town on a blow up donkey.
You and I know that, but others still need to see it.

 

[cv5]

I am not an Anglo-Israelite but I have come to expect nothing more than mislabels from you - trying to create strawmen in your ignorance. If you believe that the Northern tribes did not become gentile nations, that is all conspiracy theory - then you are saying the bible is a conspiracy book, maybe it is, but the bible is the truth conspiracies and all

But we all know you do not follow the Bible you follow Jewish fables instead

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Then there was @cv5 who searched Arnold Fruchtenbaum instead

"These prophecies and promises to Israel have been fulfilled by the Anglo-Saxon and Scandinavian countries, therefore, the people to whom they were fulfilled are identified as Israel."

"I am not an Anglo-Israelite"

ROFL!

 

[Revelation1v8]

But how do you get around the fact that the trumpet/trombone in 1 Thessalonians brought on the "sudden destruction" as well?

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then SUDDEN DESTRUCTION cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

Sudden destruction doesn't mean TOTAL DESTRUCTION. The Bible shows you that God/Jesus will allow them to rebuild on top of the "heap" that is left.

Jeremiah 30:18

18 Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob's tents, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof.

The weight of the text is clear: while the Babylonian return was a partial/type fulfillment showing the pattern, the complete fulfillment of Jeremiah 30:18 — both tribes united, the city and temple in full glory, a Davidic king on the throne, permanent peace, and the New Covenant — awaits the Millennial Kingdom after the time of Jacob's trouble.

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[HeIsHere]

Dispensationalists have ridden into town on a blow up donkey.
You and I know that, but others still need to see it.

Yes, good point!
There is always that person like myself.
God is good!

 

[Revelation1v8]

Dispensationalists have ridden into town on a blow up donkey.
You and I know that, but others still need to see it.

So, Beekeeper, do you or do you not believe in the Second Coming of Jesus, because I thought you did. HeIsHere, however, does not. So, do you really think that you and HeIsHere see scripture the same way? So, what name do you have or can you call him (HeIsHere) since he doesn't believe the same way you do.

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[cv5]

Christ Jesus was very clear with His time stamps and when He stated "YOU" he was clearly referring to the people listening to Him, just like Paul when he wrote his letters and stated YOU.

I do not care how much verbiage mumbo jumbo they devise to cover the truth, if one is honest with the text actually trusts in the words of Christ Jesus one can clearly see dispensationalism is a total fabrication.

I just had to be shown it ONCE for the scales to fall away, you know why, because I trust Christ Jesus and His words not the doctrine of men!!

Oh yes no doubt these passages ARE indeed "verbiage mumbo jumbo" to those who do not have ears to hear.
But to my ears they ring crystal clear like a symphony to my ears with perfect pitch and clarity.

Act 1:3
To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

Act 1:6
When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the ***kingdom to Israel***?

Mat 17:11
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

Act 3:21
“whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.

Act 15:16
After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

Mat 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Luk 22:29
And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
Luk 22:30
That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Rom 11:11
I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12
Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

Luk 13:35
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Luk 21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

 

[WayneNSO]

"These prophecies and promises to Israel have been fulfilled by the Anglo-Saxon and Scandinavian countries, therefore, the people to whom they were fulfilled are identified as Israel."

"I am not an Anglo-Israelite"

ROFL!

If you want to label me that you can. I get that you work at Walmart as a shelf stacker and you are used to labelling everything But from what I have seen from those who call themselves that, they have some unsound doctrines such as the King/Queen of England sits on the throne of David, which is rubbish, it is Christ who sits on the throne of David.

 

[Beekeeper]

Sudden destruction doesn't mean TOTAL DESTRUCTION. The Bible shows you that God/Jesus will allow them to rebuild on top of the "heap" that is left.

Jeremiah 30:18

18 Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob's tents, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof.

The weight of the text is clear: while the Babylonian return was a partial/type fulfillment showing the pattern, the complete fulfillment of Jeremiah 30:18 — both tribes united, the city and temple in full glory, a Davidic king on the throne, permanent peace, and the New Covenant — awaits the Millennial Kingdom after the time of Jacob's trouble.

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So "scripture" guided you to think that it was the same as the Babylon return.

This "partial" destruction must just mean that everyone's door gets kicked in.
It will have to happen quietly though, otherwise the secret rapture would get noticed.

 

[WayneNSO]

Yes, good point!
There is always that person like myself.
God is good!

Two people were riding that blow up donkey by the way, cv5 and Arnold Fruchtenbaum

 

[Revelation1v8]

So "scripture" guided you to think that it was the same as the Babylon return.

This "partial" destruction must just mean that everyone's door gets kicked in.
It will have to happen quietly though, otherwise the secret rapture would get noticed.

And your sarcasm serves what purpose? I've told you continuously that history will repeat itself on a much larger scale in future events because of the way prophecy is written in many of the Old Testament books. How many more times and ways do you want me to say it?!

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[Beekeeper]

So, Beekeeper, do you or do you not believe in the Second Coming of Jesus, because I thought you did. HeIsHere, however, does not. So, do you really think that you and HeIsHere see scripture the same way? So, what name do you have or can you call him (HeIsHere) since he doesn't believe the same way you do.

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@HeIsHere and I discussed that one a long time ago.
She knows what I think, I know what she thinks and why she thinks it.
Obviously we are not that bothered by the difference, but keep straining at gnats by all means.
If you can get an argument going somewhere else, you might just be able to slink away.

 

[WayneNSO]

So "scripture" guided you to think that it was the same as the Babylon return.

This "partial" destruction must just mean that everyone's door gets kicked in.
It will have to happen quietly though, otherwise the secret rapture would get noticed.

They used trumpet mufflers and socks over their shoes

 

[Beekeeper]

And your sarcasm serves what purpose? I've told you continuously that history will repeat itself on a much larger scale in future events because of the way prophecy is written in many of the Old Testament books. How many more times and ways do you want me to say it?!

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I want you to say it often enough for everyone to know what a fraud you are.

 

[Revelation1v8]

@HeIsHere and I discussed that one a long time ago.
She knows what I think, I know what she thinks and why she thinks it.
Obviously we are not that bothered by the difference, but keep straining at gnats by all means.
If you can get an argument going somewhere else, you might just be able to slink away.

So, you choose to be rude and gang up on JUST those who BELIEVE in the FULL WORD OF GOD instead of those who don't. Got it. Just wanted to confirm.

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[Revelation1v8]

I want you to say it often enough for everyone to know what a fraud you are.

So, now you're going to walk back everything we discussed earlier about Ezekiel and how the prophecy timelines are intermingled together? You have chosen to ignore it and play ignorant now? Got it.

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