Replacement theology? Yes or No.

[God-fearing]

Beekeeper I believe said Israel is kicking out people in Israel?

 

[Beekeeper]

You still don't understand what that says. Abraham was made heir of the world because of his righteousness, which is exactly why God/Jesus made a Covenant with him and the seed of Isaac and Jacob. Abraham wasn't under the law to begin with, so no, it wasn't given to him or his seed THROUGH THE LAW.

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I think that I understand and agree with that.
I would also understand that those who have the faith of Abraham, who have faith in Jesus, are the seed of Abraham and heirs the same land promise (Galatians 3:29) i.e. the world.
At this time we live in the world as strangers and pilgrims, much like Abraham did in the land of Canaan.
We are not called to conquer it, because that is the work of God when He judges it.

In the case of the children of Israel it was proven that some were heirs of Abraham's promise through the righteousness of their faith, but some were not.
National Israel incorporated both groups under the blessings of the Mosaic covenant, through which they possessed the land of Canaan.

We now have a situation where neither the curses or the blessings of the Mosaic covenant are in force, so the only inheritance that is still available is the older one, given to Abraham before the law.
The fact that the everlasting promise is for the whole resurrected world (including the land of Canaan of course), should be enough for Christians to know that establishing a nation in the land of Canaan is not our cause.

 

[cv5]

I think that I understand and agree with that.
I would also understand that those who have the faith of Abraham, who have faith in Jesus, are the seed of Abraham and heirs the same land promise (Galatians 3:29) i.e. the world.
At this time we live in the world as strangers and pilgrims, much like Abraham did in the land of Canaan.
We are not called to conquer it, because that is the work of God when He judges it.

In the case of the children of Israel it was proven that some were heirs of Abraham's promise through the righteousness of their faith, but some were not.
National Israel incorporated both groups under the blessings of the Mosaic covenant, through which they possessed the land of Canaan.

We now have a situation where neither the curses or the blessings of the Mosaic covenant are in force, so the only inheritance that is still available is the older one, given to Abraham before the law.
The fact that the everlasting promise is for the whole resurrected world (including the land of Canaan of course), should be enough for Christians to know that establishing a nation in the land of Canaan is not our cause.

"establishing a nation in the land of Canaan is not our cause"

Of course not. God is in the business of raising nations - not the Church of this age. And these nations will be raised - in lock step to His infallible prophetic plan. Including the raising of the Nation Israel per the Ezekiel 37 prophecy, which is happening in real time.

[Rev 19:10 KJV]
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

 

[cv5]

Have you checked out the new thread here....tribulation started at 70 ad.

Indeed it is true that the 70AD crowd are gluttons for punishment.

I foresee yet another bone crushing defeat for that sorry crew.

But one must consider that Satan and his crew lie, deny and blame the other guy right to the bitter end.....

 

[Beekeeper]

Beekeeper I believe said Israel is kicking out people in Israel?

That is a religious pilgrimage or maybe more like a tourist/PR thing.
I was speaking about people who have lived there permanently, and I know what I am talking about.

My older Generation posed no threat to Israelis, but were forced to leave their homes with what they could carry on their backs a long distance.
Shortly before this happened the mayor of their Christian village was shot in his car, a couple were shot in their home and two small boys were tortured to death in public.
The people were warned that if they did not leave immediately they would suffer the same fate.
My great grand parents, my parents and my father had lived in the same place through the Turkish and British times, and not experienced violence from any of the Arab population.

 

[Revelation1v8]

I think that I understand and agree with that.
I would also understand that those who have the faith of Abraham, who have faith in Jesus, are the seed of Abraham and heirs the same land promise (Galatians 3:29) i.e. the world.
At this time we live in the world as strangers and pilgrims, much like Abraham did in the land of Canaan.
We are not called to conquer it, because that is the work of God when He judges it.

In the case of the children of Israel it was proven that some were heirs of Abraham's promise through the righteousness of their faith, but some were not.
National Israel incorporated both groups under the blessings of the Mosaic covenant, through which they possessed the land of Canaan.

We now have a situation where neither the curses or the blessings of the Mosaic covenant are in force, so the only inheritance that is still available is the older one, given to Abraham before the law.
The fact that the everlasting promise is for the whole resurrected world (including the land of Canaan of course), should be enough for Christians to know that establishing a nation in the land of Canaan is not our cause.

Well, at least you're getting closer!

Still, the purpose of God/Jesus for raising the nation of Israel and setting them in the promised land is for the purpose of proving that He is God, proving that He keeps His promises, and proving that everything written was true to the entire world.

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[Revelation1v8]

My older Generation posed no threat to Israelis, but were forced to leave their homes with what they could carry on their backs a long distance.
Shortly before this happened the mayor of their Christian village was shot in his car, a couple were shot in their home and two small boys were tortured to death in public.
The people were warned that if they did not leave immediately they would suffer the same fate.
My great grand parents, my parents and my father had lived in the same place through the Turkish and British times, and not experienced violence from any of the Arab population.

That is a travesty! What year did that happen?

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[tourist]

I'd even expect it sooner

I certainly hope so. I am all set if Jesus would come back today. The sooner the better.

 

[God-fearing]

That is a religious pilgrimage or maybe more like a tourist/PR thing.
I was speaking about people who have lived there permanently, and I know what I am talking about.

My older Generation posed no threat to Israelis, but were forced to leave their homes with what they could carry on their backs a long distance.
Shortly before this happened the mayor of their Christian village was shot in his car, a couple were shot in their home and two small boys were tortured to death in public.
The people were warned that if they did not leave immediately they would suffer the same fate.
My great grand parents, my parents and my father had lived in the same place through the Turkish and British times, and not experienced violence from any of the Arab population.

Are you familiar with this?

The world is divided into the House of Islam and the House of War, the Dar al-Islam and the Dar al-harb. The Dar al-Islam is all those lands in which a Muslim government rules and the Holy Law of Islam prevails. Non-Muslims may live there on Muslim sufferance. The outside world, which has not yet been subjugated, is called the "House of War," and strictly speaking a perpetual state of jihad, of holy war, is imposed by the law. The law also provided that the jihad might be interrupted by truces as and when appropriate. In fact, the periods of peace and war were not vastly different from those which existed between the Christian states of Europe for most of European history.

The law thus divides unbelievers theologically into those who have a book and profess what Islam recognizes as a divine religion and those who do not; politically into dhimmis, those who have accepted the supremacy of the Muslim state and the primacy of the Muslims, and harbis, the denizens of the Dar al-harb, the House of War, who remain outside the Islamic frontier, and with whom therefore there is in principle, a canonically obligatory perpetual state of war until the whole world is either converted or subjugated.​

 

[OMC]

Are you familiar with this?

The world is divided into the House of Islam and the House of War, the Dar al-Islam and the Dar al-harb. The Dar al-Islam is all those lands in which a Muslim government rules and the Holy Law of Islam prevails. Non-Muslims may live there on Muslim sufferance. The outside world, which has not yet been subjugated, is called the "House of War," and strictly speaking a perpetual state of jihad, of holy war, is imposed by the law. The law also provided that the jihad might be interrupted by truces as and when appropriate. In fact, the periods of peace and war were not vastly different from those which existed between the Christian states of Europe for most of European history.

The law thus divides unbelievers theologically into those who have a book and profess what Islam recognizes as a divine religion and those who do not; politically into dhimmis, those who have accepted the supremacy of the Muslim state and the primacy of the Muslims, and harbis, the denizens of the Dar al-harb, the House of War, who remain outside the Islamic frontier, and with whom therefore there is in principle, a canonically obligatory perpetual state of war until the whole world is either converted or subjugated.​

I don't disagree that those concepts have existed in certain streams of classical Islamic thought.
My only concern is that we still have to distinguish between describing a legal or theological framework and describing every individual Muslim.

For example, if someone wanted to understand Christianity, I wouldn't want them judging all Christians by the Crusades, the Inquisition, or the worst things ever done in Christ's name.
I'd want them to look at what Christians actually believe and how individual Christians live.

More importantly, as Christians our response isn't determined by how someone views us.
It's determined by how Christ tells us to treat them.

Jesus said: "Love your enemies... pray for them which despitefully use you" (Matt. 5:44).
So even if someone does view me as an enemy, Christ still commands me to love them.

That doesn't mean ignoring persecution, being naïve, or pretending all religions teach the same thing.
It just means I can oppose false beliefs without hating the people who hold them.

So yes, understand the ideology.
Yes, be aware of real dangers.
But I think the Christian's first question should always be: "How does Christ want me to treat this person?"
The answer to that question never changes.

 

[Churchgoer]

That is a religious pilgrimage or maybe more like a tourist/PR thing.
I was speaking about people who have lived there permanently, and I know what I am talking about.

My older Generation posed no threat to Israelis, but were forced to leave their homes with what they could carry on their backs a long distance.
Shortly before this happened the mayor of their Christian village was shot in his car, a couple were shot in their home and two small boys were tortured to death in public.
The people were warned that if they did not leave immediately they would suffer the same fate.
My great grand parents, my parents and my father had lived in the same place through the Turkish and British times, and not experienced violence from any of the Arab population.

My jew friends ancestors were from that land, they call it Palestine by Roman, Turkish, British name. They are against current Israel state murdering, robbing too.

 

[HeIsHere]

That is a travesty! What year did that happen?

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It is called the Nakba, seems you have a lot to learn.

 

[HeIsHere]

That is a religious pilgrimage or maybe more like a tourist/PR thing.
I was speaking about people who have lived there permanently, and I know what I am talking about.

My older Generation posed no threat to Israelis, but were forced to leave their homes with what they could carry on their backs a long distance.
Shortly before this happened the mayor of their Christian village was shot in his car, a couple were shot in their home and two small boys were tortured to death in public.
The people were warned that if they did not leave immediately they would suffer the same fate.
My great grand parents, my parents and my father had lived in the same place through the Turkish and British times, and not experienced violence from any of the Arab population.

At the time when this was happening it was not well known.
But now thanks to many excellent researchers the truth of what happened in Palestine has been extensively documented and made known. Many atrocities were committed.