Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

[GWH]

In Rev. 19:1-21 John heard the roar of a great multitude in heaven shouting praise to God for His just judgments, which included condemnation of the great prostitute who corrupted the earth and murdered those who served God (Rev. 17:1-6, 18:2-24). The 24
elders and four living creatures (Rev. 4:4-10, 5:6, 7:11, 11:16) also worshipped God and cried, “Amen, Hallelujah!”

Then a voice from the throne urged God’s servants to praise Him, and a multitude glorified God because the wedding of the Lamb has come (cf. Matt. 22:1-14), and the bride is the saints (cf. 2Cor. 11:2, Eph. 5:25-27, Isa. 54:5). An angel said, “Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!” John fell at his feet, but the angel told him to worship God (cf. Acts 14:11-13), whose testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy (cf. Matt. 11:13, Luke 24:44-45, John 5:39-40&46, 2Pet. 1:21).

Then John saw a white horse, whose rider was called Faithful and True (Rev. 3:14), who conducts just war (cf. Eccl. 3:8), who was dressed in a robe dipped in blood (Matt. 26:28, Rom. 5:9, Col. 1:20, Heb. 9:22, 1Pet. 1:18-19, 1John 1:7), and whose name is the Word of God (John 1:1-14). Armies from heaven followed him, and out of his mouth came a sharp sword (Eph. 6:7, Heb. 4:12). He will rule the nations with an iron scepter (Rev. 2:27, 12:5, Psa. 2:9)

He trod the winepress of God’s wrath (Isa. 63:3, Rev. 14:19-20), and on his robe and thigh was written the name, “King of kings and Lord of lords” (cf. 1Tim. 6:15, Rev. 17:14). An angel cried out an invitation to come to the supper of God and eat the flesh of ungodly people (cf. Psa. 14:4, 27:2, Micah 3:2-3).

Finally, John saw a beast with the armies of the kings of the earth gathered to make war against the rider on the white horse (cf. Matt. 24:6-8, Rev. 16:14, 20:7-8, Zech. 14:1-3), but he was captured along with the false prophet who had performed miracles on his behalf, which deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshipped his image (Rev. 13:11-15, 16:13-14). The beast and false prophet were thrown into the fiery lake (Rev. 20:10), and the rest were killed by the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the white horse (Rev. 1:16).

 

[LTL]

In Rev. 19:1-21 John heard the roar of a great multitude in heaven shouting praise to God for His just judgments, which included condemnation of the great prostitute who corrupted the earth and murdered those who served God (Rev. 17:1-6, 18:2-24). The 24
elders and four living creatures (Rev. 4:4-10, 5:6, 7:11, 11:16) also worshipped God and cried, “Amen, Hallelujah!”

G, I will do one paragraph at a time.
Chapter Nineteen begins with Babylon fallen and the saints gathered together.
Thus, the saints of God are the great multitude on the earth (heaven).
Also in attendance are the 24 elders meaning the 144,000 who are standing with Christ as shown in Rev. 14:1.
And, the four living creatures (beasts) who bring us on the exodus to this great gathering of saints. These are the four individuals as noted in Rev. 1:1.
One mistake you made is that the action of the gathering is the result of one particular judgment that was upon Babylon. The other judgments are not yet at this point in the storyline. Remember that the judgment is upon Babylon (ch. 17) and then we see her burning (ch. 18) and then the saints are brought together (ch. 19).

 

[LTL]

Then a voice from the throne urged God’s servants to praise Him, and a multitude glorified God because the wedding of the Lamb has come (cf. Matt. 22:1-14), and the bride is the saints (cf. 2Cor. 11:2, Eph. 5:25-27, Isa. 54:5). An angel said, “Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!” John fell at his feet, but the angel told him to worship God (cf. Acts 14:11-13), whose testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy (cf. Matt. 11:13, Luke 24:44-45, John 5:39-40&46, 2Pet. 1:21).

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The individual speaking is Jesus.
He is instructing the servants of God to worship the Father.
The wedding of the Lamb is the joining of the saints of God who have arrived out of the judgment upon Babylon (ch 17) and her burning (ch. 18) to the body of the church (Matt. 24:28) where they join with Christ to vanquish his enemies (ch. 19).
Those present hear the Savior speaking (the words of God).
That was the wedding, and next comes the wedding feast which is warfare. The metaphor shows foul eating the army of the beast. Thus, the word foul is metaphor for the 144,000 army of God. The testimony of Jesus Christ is his word that the 144,000 will live through the warfare and more importantly to harvest the saints of God and this is shown in Rev. 9:4.

 

[LTL]

Then John saw a white horse, whose rider was called Faithful and True (Rev. 3:14), who conducts just war (cf. Eccl. 3:8), who was dressed in a robe dipped in blood (Matt. 26:28, Rom. 5:9, Col. 1:20, Heb. 9:22, 1Pet. 1:18-19, 1John 1:7), and whose name is the Word of God (John 1:1-14). Armies from heaven followed him, and out of his mouth came a sharp sword (Eph. 6:7, Heb. 4:12). He will rule the nations with an iron scepter (Rev. 2:27, 12:5, Psa. 2:9)

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The white horse represents God the Father who gives power to Jesus who is Faithful and True. The warfare is the 144,000 engaged to harvest saints as I mentioned before. From his mouth is the sharp sword that metaphorically represents John the Davidic King. John will rule the nations of God and more importantly the nations of the earth with his iron scepter which is his army of 144,000 (Rev. 14:1). With this information Rev. 12:5 can be interpreted correctly.

 

[LTL]

He trod the winepress of God’s wrath (Isa. 63:3, Rev. 14:19-20), and on his robe and thigh was written the name, “King of kings and Lord of lords” (cf. 1Tim. 6:15, Rev. 17:14). An angel cried out an invitation to come to the supper of God and eat the flesh of ungodly people (cf. Psa. 14:4, 27:2, Micah 3:2-3).

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Thus, Jesus treads the winepress as shown in Rev. 14:19-20. And more importantly he treads the winepress alone. So it appears that the warfare in Chapter Nineteen metaphorically represents Rev. 9:4 where the 144,000 can not be hurt per the testimony of Jesus Christ while they search for the saints of God.

 

[LTL]

Finally, John saw a beast with the armies of the kings of the earth gathered to make war against the rider on the white horse (cf. Matt. 24:6-8, Rev. 16:14, 20:7-8, Zech. 14:1-3), but he was captured along with the false prophet who had performed miracles on his behalf, which deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshipped his image (Rev. 13:11-15, 16:13-14). The beast and false prophet were thrown into the fiery lake (Rev. 20:10), and the rest were killed by the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the white horse (Rev. 1:16).

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The kings of the earth is a metaphorical phrase meaning the 144,000. I realize that you can not see this but perhaps some day you can. The beast and false prophet who are destroyed and sent to hell are the beast of the sea and the beast of the earth (Rev. 13:1, Rev. 13:11). The keys of authority to send them to hell was given to John in Chapter One.
Again, the sword is a metaphor for John the writer of the revelation and the Savior's Davidic King.
Those who follow the two beasts are also sent to hell where they belong.

 

[GWH]

G, I will do one paragraph at a time.
Chapter Nineteen begins with Babylon fallen and the saints gathered together.
Thus, the saints of God are the great multitude on the earth (heaven).
Also in attendance are the 24 elders meaning the 144,000 who are standing with Christ as shown in Rev. 14:1.
And, the four living creatures (beasts) who bring us on the exodus to this great gathering of saints. These are the four individuals as noted in Rev. 1:1.
One mistake you made is that the action of the gathering is the result of one particular judgment that was upon Babylon. The other judgments are not yet at this point in the storyline. Remember that the judgment is upon Babylon (ch. 17) and then we see her burning (ch. 18) and then the saints are brought together (ch. 19).

I merely paraphrased Rev. 19; not sure what mistake I made or what judgments you refer to.

 

[GWH]

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The kings of the earth is a metaphorical phrase meaning the 144,000. I realize that you can not see this but perhaps some day you can. The beast and false prophet who are destroyed and sent to hell are the beast of the sea and the beast of the earth (Rev. 13:1, Rev. 13:11). The keys of authority to send them to hell was given to John in Chapter One.
Again, the sword is a metaphor for John the writer of the revelation and the Savior's Davidic King.
Those who follow the two beasts are also sent to hell where they belong.

The kings of the earth gathered to make war against the rider on the white horse are the 144,000 around the throne who had God's name on their foreheads?! I see you hallucinating!

 

[LTL]

I merely paraphrased Rev. 19; not sure what mistake I made or what judgments you refer to.

There are a series of judgments and the judgment upon Babylon is the first.

 

[LTL]

The kings of the earth gathered to make war against the rider on the white horse are the 144,000 around the throne who had God's name on their foreheads?! I see you hallucinating!

Sorry, the kings of the earth are the Savior's people. Notice Rev. 1:5

5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

 

[GWH]

Sorry, the kings of the earth are the Savior's people. Notice Rev. 1:5

5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Okay, that is better/acceptable.

 

[Psalm1]

P, it is good to hear from you.
The one who serves the eternal King Jesus is his Davidic King John.
1) the saints in their homes
2) John takes them on an exodus

Do you have food and water in your home?
This is what the false rapture doctrine is wrapped around. The saints are taken on an exodus in the beginning. Then at the end of the seven years they are taken off the planet.

P, you should know all this by now. Peace to you. And by the way I consider you one of my great friends on this site. Come into the light my brother.

Since I am with Jesus and walk with him and He lives in me, I need not take your advice.
Maybe you should not see yourself so self righteous since you are wrong.
How ironic.
There is no scripture backing up some false Davidic King John
Flat out bizarre

 

[LTL]

Since I am with Jesus and walk with him and He lives in me, I need not take your advice.
Maybe you should not see yourself so self righteous since you are wrong.
How ironic.
There is no scripture backing up some false Davidic King John
Flat out bizarre

P,
it is okay to not belong to the Savior's appointed Davidic King. You are not his and he is not yours.
No problem.
You have no expectation to enjoy the covenant that he offers. So do not complain when you find your rapture doctrine failing.
There is a multitude of scriptural proof that you reject.

 

[Psalm1]

P,
it is okay to not belong to the Savior's appointed Davidic King. You are not his and he is not yours.
No problem.
You have no expectation to enjoy the covenant that he offers. So do not complain when you find your rapture doctrine failing.
There is a multitude of scriptural proof that you reject.

What new cult do you belong to?
Is Jesus God?
Did the God-man die on a cross?

 

[DavidLamb]

P,
it is okay to not belong to the Savior's appointed Davidic King. You are not his and he is not yours.
No problem.
You have no expectation to enjoy the covenant that he offers. So do not complain when you find your rapture doctrine failing.
There is a multitude of scriptural proof that you reject.

Where are Christians taught that John is the Saviour's appointed Davidic king, or that they can be part of a Davidic covenant? You keep saying these things, and now you say that there is a multitude of scriptural proof. Where? Where are the Scripture passages telling us that John is a king of any kind, let alone a successor to Jesus Christ's kingship? Where are the Scripture passages telling us that we must have John as our king to get through the tribulation?

 

[dkontner]

2 Corinthians 11​

4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

 

[Psalm1]

Where are Christians taught that John is the Saviour's appointed Davidic king, or that they can be part of a Davidic covenant? You keep saying these things, and now you say that there is a multitude of scriptural proof. Where? Where are the Scripture passages telling us that John is a king of any kind, let alone a successor to Jesus Christ's kingship? Where are the Scripture passages telling us that we must have John as our king to get through the tribulation?

There is a Dynamic of David in the final purposes of God.
It is that the THRONE OF DAVID be re-established and that Jesus takes that throne.
The ENTIRE purpose of God, THE APEX, is that the throne of David is re-established with Jesus on that throne.
(The Davidic thread of David and Jesus.)
So we do see a connection.
But nothing of a "John King".

That is a crazy new doctrine.

 

[DavidLamb]

There is a Dynamic of David in the final purposes of God.
It is that the THRONE OF DAVID be re-established and that Jesus takes that throne.
The ENTIRE purpose of God, THE APEX, is that the throne of David is re-established with Jesus on that throne.
(The Davidic thread of David and Jesus.)
So we do see a connection.
But nothing of a "John King".

That is a crazy new doctrine.

Yes, I agree. Gabriel said to Mary:

Luk 1:31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name JESUS.
Luk 1:32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.

 

[LTL]

Where are Christians taught that John is the Saviour's appointed Davidic king, or that they can be part of a Davidic covenant? You keep saying these things, and now you say that there is a multitude of scriptural proof. Where? Where are the Scripture passages telling us that John is a king of any kind, let alone a successor to Jesus Christ's kingship? Where are the Scripture passages telling us that we must have John as our king to get through the tribulation?

Okay I will show you again. And I realize that you can not see this.
1) Jesus was on the cross
2) Jesus told John that Mary was his mother
3) Jesus told Mary that John was her son
4) Mary's sons had the right to the Davidic Throne
5) Jesus was a Davidic King
6) the successor of Jesus is a Davidic King
7) Jesus had no children
8) the next Davidc King is a son of Mary
9) the next Davidic King is John

The succession to the Davidic throne is easy to see. And so lets go again.

Davidic Kings protect their people. The coming tribulation necessitates a Davidic King. In Rev. 10 John accepts responsibility to his people. You can not see this. And why?

The fact that you can not see this means that you will not survive the coming tribulation. You are not his and he is not yours. He is the Moses of our time (Rev. 15:3).

 

[Psalm1]

Okay I will show you again. And I realize that you can not see this.
1) Jesus was on the cross
2) Jesus told John that Mary was his mother
3) Jesus told Mary that John was her son
4) Mary's sons had the right to the Davidic Throne
5) Jesus was a Davidic King
6) the successor of Jesus is a Davidic King
7) Jesus had no children
8) the next Davidc King is a son of Mary
9) the next Davidic King is John

The succession to the Davidic throne is easy to see. And so lets go again.

Davidic Kings protect their people. The coming tribulation necessitates a Davidic King. In Rev. 10 John accepts responsibility to his people. You can not see this. And why?

The fact that you can not see this means that you will not survive the coming tribulation. You are not his and he is not yours. He is the Moses of our time (Rev. 15:3).

The fact that your John king doctrine is wrong is glaring.

Nobody correctly reading a Bible sees any of that.
You flat out either made it up, or got it someplace and are actually teaching it and think you have some special faith that us peons are left out of.

You have not shown any such teaching to be true.