Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

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Isn't the bible telling us in Revelation 19 that we have the wedding and then the judgement?

It is understandable that people would question where the people would come from after the 1,000 years. Isaiah made this statement.

Isa 49:21 Then shalt thou say in thine heart, Who hath begotten me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am desolate, a captive, and removing to and fro? and who hath brought up these? Behold, I was left alone; these, where had they been?

I believe I know where the children are coming from. This is just my opinion. We are told of a second resurrection in Revelation 20, just after the 1,000 years. I believe this resurrection is the one presented to Ezekiel in Ezekiel chapter 37. Notice that in Ezekiel chapter 38 is the first time God and Magog are mentioned in the Bible. The same Gog and Magog that are mentioned in Revelation 20, which is after the 1,000 years and after the second resurrection. Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. (The first resurrection is referring to those that reign with Christ a thousand years. The rest of the dead is the second resurrection.)

Observe also that in Ezekiel 37, after the resurrection, the two kingdoms, the northern and southern kingdom, will again become one. The only place the people from those two kingdoms exist today is in the ground.


I don't think you fully know everything you think you do.

Daniel himself didn't understand eveything given to him. The angel told him people of that time will come to understand as events unfold, like when Jesus arrived the first time.

So let events fully unfold first and God will make it clear then. Because right now, we're not even at that point.


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The battle at the second coming is local at the middle east.

Earth's population is not wiped out.

Do you read that in Revelation chapter 19? Doesn't it say all men?

Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
 
Do you read that in Revelation chapter 19? Doesn't it say all men?

Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Sounds like the bodies of military people being eaten. Not civiliian.

Also are you taking this literally? What about the women? Did the whole population of the earth literally become soldiers? Including the elderly and invalid? People with mental challenges?


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Do you read that in Revelation chapter 19? Doesn't it say all men?

Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
It says in vs 15 that he smites the nations ( which helps yout position), but it says he rules "THEM" the unsaved nations, with a rod of iron.

Time will tell.
We will find out soon!
One of us is correct
 
Children too young to take the mark,
Children who do not have a Moral understanding of Good from Evil and the consequences 0f their imputed sin will be Raptured and will not be in the 7 year Tribulation -----babies are included in this

There is an age of accountability according to Scripture ------for God inputing sin and its consequences upon us ----

Matthew 19:14

14 Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”

This passage here below is talking about Jesus as a young boy -----you need to read this in Context but I am just posting this verse -----

Isaiah 7:16

16 for before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste.


This below is talking about God keeping the land from the Israelits and giving it to their innocent children who are deemed innocent by God -----because they know not yet good from evil ----

Rebellion Against the Lord​

Deuteronomy 1:39​


39 And the little ones that you said would be taken captive, your children who do not yet know good from bad—they will enter the land. I will give it to them and they will take possession of it.

Now that being said ----God really doesn't mention an age -----but many take 20 years old as that age cause scripture says this


Numbers 14 ---verse 29

27 “How long will these evil ·people [community; congregation; assembly] ·complain [grumble] about me? I have heard the ·complaining [grumbling] of these ·Israelites [L sons/T children of Israel].

28 So tell them, ‘This is ·what the Lord says [L the utterance/decree of the Lord]. I heard what you said, and as surely as I live, I will do those very things to you:

29 ·You will die [L Your dead bodies will fall] in this ·desert [wilderness].
Every one of you who is twenty years old or older [of military age] and who was counted with the people [1:1–54]—all of you who ·complained [grumbled] against me—will die.



I say --at 20 people were mature enough to be counted in the census ---so some use 20 as the age of accountability -----

The Jews believe that age 12 is when their Children are mature -----as Jesus was teaching in the temple at that age ------

here is the thing ===God knows at what age each child knows the Moral difference between Good and Evil ---and its consequences----- we don't -----but H gives a Grace period for children according to scripture ----

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The Bible does not explicitly define a specific numerical "age of accountability," but it suggests a threshold of moral understanding

Isaiah 7:15-16
) and often uses age 20 as a marker for maturity, military service, and individual responsibility (Numbers 14:29-32,

Deuteronomy 1:39). It is generally understood as the age a child becomes spiritually responsible for their sins.
 
I don't think you fully know everything you think you do.

Daniel himself didn't understand eveything given to him. The angel told him people of that time will come to understand as events unfold, like when Jesus arrived the first time.

So let events fully unfold first and God will make it clear then. Because right now, we're not even at that point.


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I know I don't fully understand everything I think I do.

What I do know is that what the bible says is true, even if it disagrees with something I have been taught.
 
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You have the wedding, you have the judgment, you have the end of the beast and the false prophet, you have the dragon locked up for a thousand years, you have the first resurrection, and you have the end of all living humanity that was not invited to the wedding. The only ones left on the earth are the dead who were not written in the book of life.

What think you?
I think it be best to only trust God Father and risen Son

If the evil had known what the cross of Son was to bring Hebrews 7:11-12. then it would not have been done
1 Corinthians 2:8
which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
Romans 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
John 14:7
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

However everything goes forward from this day forward is still in Father's, Daddy's, PaPa's sight, whom knows best fro us all
Jeremiah 29:11. therefore being in trust, I do not need to know. Only yo tell others Daddy, PaPa Father loves them also. proven in son a siren, thank you

there is no more excuse for sin
John 15:22
If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.

Now see in the death of Son under Law fulfilled Law and prophets for you too. To be new in the risen Life to be given to anyone by God as God chooses to. Since God knows those that are sincere and those that are not
 
Children who do not have a Moral understanding of Good from Evil and the consequences 0f their imputed sin will be Raptured and will not be in the 7 year Tribulation -----babies are included in this

But babies will continue to be born even after your supposed pre-trib event and all through the GT. What about them?

That's why Jesus said He will return on the last day. This will include all children under the age of accountability, all the way to the just newly born children that very last moment before His return:

John 6:39 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day."


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You have the wedding, you have the judgment, you have the end of the beast and the false prophet, you have the dragon locked up for a thousand years, you have the first resurrection, and you have the end of all living humanity that was not invited to the wedding. The only ones left on the earth are the dead who were not written in the book of life.

What think you?
Rev 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God.

All the saints are with Jesus which the first resurrection happened.

Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.

Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

The antichrist negotiated peace in the Middle East which impacted the world and caused all Hebrews to go to Israel.

And none of them were left in the nations.

The Hebrews are still on earth.

Rev 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

Rev 19:3 And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.

Rev 19:4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

Rev 19:5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

Jesus toppled Babylon the last kingdom.

The Bible says Babylon will not have physical dominion again when she fell to Medo-Persia but her life was prolonged for a time and a season.

Which her ways are still on earth.

So this is Babylon in spirit which they resurrected her system which she represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man which is what the beast kingdom is about.

Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

This is Babylon in spirit for how can physical dominion Babylon that ruled years ago be responsible for all that was slain upon earth.

Physical dominion Babylon years ago could not be responsible but she represents the kingdom of man.

And a person either belongs to the kingdom of God or Babylon the kingdom of man.

So all people that have slain a person belong to Babylon.

And she was responsible for all people that was slain during that time with the resurrected spirit of Babylon.

Rev 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

All the saints are with Jesus and the marriage supper happened.

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

The battle of Armageddon which is part of the wrath of God which Jesus comes back with the saints and defeats the world.

The beast and false prophet go to the lake of fire and Satan goes to the bottomless pit for 1000 years and does not deceive the nations.

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah:

and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

The battle of Armageddon where the beast goes against the Hebrews that were left on earth.

Jesus comes back with all the saints and defeats the world and saves Israel.

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Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Jesus will rule the earth for 1000 years over the people that God spared from the battle of Armageddon.

Satan is bound for 1000 years and is not deceiving the nations.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The heathen still have punishment coming for they took the mark of the beast but God postponed it until the end of the 1000 years.

Satan is loosed from the bottomless pit and deceives the heathen to go against the saints and God devours them with fire.

Satan is cast in to the lake of fire.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The second resurrection happened and they are judged.

People who were hypocrites are not saved which they were not caught up in the first resurrection.

People who rejected the truth are not saved.

People who have not heard the truth or not sufficiently can be saved if they believed in a higher power that is love, and did not offend people and loved them.

Which love works no ill towards their neighbor therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

And ask for forgiveness if anything is amiss.

They cannot be with Jesus before the judgement because they did not know the truth.

But they can be saved under the right conditions.

For God is a fair God and will not condemn a person that has not heard the truth.

People that have not heard the truth but did not meet the conditions are not saved.
 
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Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Jesus will rule the earth for 1000 years over the people that God spared from the battle of Armageddon.

Satan is bound for 1000 years and is not deceiving the nations.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The heathen still have punishment coming for they took the mark of the beast but God postponed it until the end of the 1000 years.

Satan is loosed from the bottomless pit and deceives the heathen to go against the saints and God devours them with fire.

Satan is cast in to the lake of fire.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The second resurrection happened and they are judged.

People who were hypocrites are not saved which they were not caught up in the first resurrection.

People who rejected the truth are not saved.

People who have not heard the truth or not sufficiently can be saved if they believed in a higher power that is love, and did not offend people and loved them.

Which love works no ill towards their neighbor therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

And ask for forgiveness if anything is amiss.

They cannot be with Jesus before the judgement because they did not know the truth.

But they can be saved under the right conditions.

For God is a fair God and will not condemn a person that has not heard the truth.

People that have not heard the truth but did not meet the conditions are not saved.

I guess my question was, who could be left if everyone was killed, even the remnant?
 
Sounds like the bodies of military people being eaten. Not civiliian.

Also are you taking this literally? What about the women? Did the whole population of the earth literally become soldiers? Including the elderly and invalid? People with mental challenges?


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Never looked at it from this perspective. The word men does not occur in this verse. It was added so it would make sense in English.

Is putting on the whole armor of God just for men, or does it include women as well?

Yes, I take the bible literally, metaphors and all.
 
But babies will continue to be born even after your supposed pre-trib event and all through the GT. What about them?
My view ------there is nothing in scripture about babies born during the tribulation and what would happen to them -----so any comments on that would be all pure human speculation ======

Only God knows about that ---and He said nothing about it in His word ----so I guess He didn't feel that it was an important issue for us to think about or know ---only He Knows
 
My view ------there is nothing in scripture about babies born during the tribulation and what would happen to them -----so any comments on that would be all pure human speculation ======

Only God knows about that ---and He said nothing about it in His word ----so I guess He didn't feel that it was an important issue for us to think about or know ---only He Knows

No Satan to accuse, how would that work. The Talmud equates the millennium to the seventh day when no work was done.
 
Never looked at it from this perspective. The word men does not occur in this verse. It was added so it would make sense in English.

Is putting on the whole armor of God just for men, or does it include women as well?

Yes, I take the bible literally, metaphors and all.


So you literally think EVERYONE was at this war, including old people, handicapped people and children?



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My view ------there is nothing in scripture about babies born during the tribulation and what would happen to them -----so any comments on that would be all pure human speculation ======

Only God knows about that ---and He said nothing about it in His word ----so I guess He didn't feel that it was an important issue for us to think about or know ---only He Knows
The new age christianity that interprets all religions the same is the reason why the world rebels against God(1 Timothy 4:1-5; 2 Timothy 4:2-4).

1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

They believe they will evolve to be spiritual, and greater.

The 5th root race, 6th sub-race, and when the 7th root race, 7th sub-race happens it will be the completion of the evolutionary process.

They will stop a man and a woman from coming together for population reduction.

Which they do not believe they need to have babies born to keep the human population going for they will evolve to be spiritual.

Also the devil will deceive and destroy.

Those he cannot deceive spiritually by the mark he will destroy physically.

He will work in the world for 7 years.

For the first 3.5 years he will become the biggest player on the world scene and push the new age agenda.

Which they will not allow a man and a woman to be married.

The New Age Christ will probably cause all babies to be eliminated that would be under the age of accountability when the mark is given seeing they could not be deceived spiritually.

They will want to get rid of the family structure of having babies.

Anybody that is pregnant going in to the 7 years will probably be aborted.

And children under a certain age will probably be eliminated.

Mat 2:16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.

Herod eliminated children under a certain age.

And the antichrist will be worse.
 
No Satan to accuse, how would that work. The Talmud equates the millennium to the seventh day when no work was done.
What you say here makes no sense -----the Talmud is just a bunch of writings that the Jew wrote and added much to God's laws and His word etc that are their own thoughts ----and as far as they are concerned the New Testament is a lie -----they are still waiting for their Messiah -----so your post makes no sense to me ----
 
Everyone that didn't make it to the wedding. There are two classifications, the saved and the unsaved.


You need to give this more time so that as we get nearer to these events God will give us clear understanding of them. Just be patient.


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