Revolution in Iran

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Journey_man said:
I'm not a theologian, nor am I a Bible Scholar, but I believe the Bible is the inspired, infallible, and sufficient Word of God, serving as the only ultimate rule for faith and practice.
I believe salvation is entirely due to God's sovereign grace, not human merit or effort. I believe justification (being declared righteous) is received by faith alone in Christ, not by works.
I believe Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and man. I believe the primary purpose of life is to glorify God.

I'm sure you would agree that God won't judge anyone, based on their ability to interpret the bible. But He will judge everyone according to what they have done.
From my understanding, there is only one condition we must meet in order to be saved, and that is we must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

My pastor said the vast majority of Gods people have never even read the bible.
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"My pastor said the vast majority of Gods people have never even read the bible."

Maybe because it is the pastor himself that is willfully implicated in a conspiracy of silence, denial, distortion or outright fraud. Hey.....the religious dear leader frauds of Jesus time were masters of this fake religion/extortion/exploitation trade. And they were EVERYWHERE with extremely rare exceptions.

Frankly, I see it happening all the time on this board day in and day out. And NO, it is not merely an honest difference of opinion or interpretation. It's far more sinister than that. Its more like people "loving the lie".

Yes there is room for debate on relatively trivial matters. But when anybody outright dismisses 1/3 of the Bible to suit their fancy.....Katy bar the door!

Oh and BTW.....the "my pastor said" learning protocol is a real problem nowadays. Yes Paul's word you could stake your life on. But we don't have any spare Paul's around my neck of the woods. Mostly frauds and clueless religious hacks around here.
 
cv5 said:
There you go @Journey_man . Maybe you could give your pastor a jingle and email him these posts.
God knows (and I know) that he needs to read them!

In Isaiah 49:14, “Zion” is clearly personified:

“But Zion said, The LORD hath forsaken me…”

What does “Zion” mean here?

In the context of Book of Isaiah 49:

It is not merely the physical city
It is not just the land
It is the people of Israel (especially exiled Judah)
→ but expressed as a single person (a woman/mother)

So here, “Zion” =
👉 the covenant people experiencing abandonment
👉 poetically portrayed as a grieving woman

Why personification matters

The next verses make this unmistakable:

Isaiah 49:15: “Can a woman forget her nursing child…?”
Isaiah 49:18: children returning to Zion
Isaiah 49:21: Zion asking, “Who has begotten me these?”

This only works if:

Zion = mother
Israelites = her children

So the prophet is using poetic imagery, not just geography.
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This only works if it's interpreted by your particular denomination's theology. But don't forget, your denomination is only one of 49,000 Christian Denominations, most of these hold to radically different interpretations of scripture.

Your Denomination may have convinced you, but I consider it to be fundamentally flawed because it's in stark contradiction to many other scriptures, which deal with the matter.
 
ZNP said:
My understanding of "being saved" is not so simplistic. I do not simply want to be saved from hell or eternal damnation, I would also like to be saved from my lack of discernment. Jesus Christ is made to us wisdom and we have the mind of
Christ. This is not a matter of salvation from the world or from hell, but it is a matter of the salvation of the soul.

Yes, we are saved by faith. And faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. For example, Jesus Christ is our wisdom and we have the mind of Christ.

We do not need to be theologians, but we do need to be theophilus.
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I can't agree with your view here, because you've skipped over the whole process of salvation, to only focus on the end of the process.

You will suffer from a lack of discernment for the rest of your life. You will never have the mind of Christ, as long as you live in your corrupt body of death. God does not only save the soul, He saves both body and soul. He will resurrect His people, from every age and we will be reunited with our immortal, glorified, sinless, perfect bodies and then we will finally be like Christ and we will have the mind of Christ.

We can't stop sinning in this life, the Apostle Paul described the struggle of every born again Christian. When he said "the good that I want to do, I don't do, but the evil that I don't want to do, that I do". So if he can't do what he wants to do, and he does what he doesn't want to do, then he is not in control of himself, but the impulse to sin controls him just as it does to all of us.
 
cv5 said:
"My pastor said the vast majority of Gods people have never even read the bible."

Maybe because it is the pastor himself that is willfully implicated in a conspiracy of silence, denial, distortion or outright fraud. Hey.....the religious dear leader frauds of Jesus time were masters of this fake religion/extortion/exploitation trade. And they were EVERYWHERE with extremely rare exceptions.

Frankly, I see it happening all the time on this board day in and day out. And NO, it is not merely an honest difference of opinion or interpretation. It's far more sinister than that. Its more like people "loving the lie".

Yes there is room for debate on relatively trivial matters. But when anybody outright dismisses 1/3 of the Bible to suit their fancy.....Katy bar the door!

Oh and BTW.....the "my pastor said" learning protocol is a real problem nowadays. Yes Paul's word you could stake your life on. But we don't have any spare Paul's around my neck of the woods. Mostly frauds and clueless religious hacks around here.
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You missed my pastors point, he wasn't suggesting that the vast majority of Gods people are wilfully ignorant of what the Bible reveals. The problem is that, bibles were not available for purchase, until the 15th century and even then it was only the super rich who could afford to buy one. They cost 3 years worth of of wages, which is around $300,000 in Australia.

The other problem Gods people faced, was that most were illiterate. So the Bible only became attainable in modern history, as the printing press became cheaper and more people learned how to read and write.

Another overlooked problem is that those of my Grandfathers generation, only heard the bible read by a priest in Latin.
So he never understood any of it, and his Roman Catholic Priest discouraged any private bible study. He told my grandfather, that it's dangerous to take the bible into your own hands and interpret the scriptures for yourself. He said, "if you give the bible to 10 different people, you would get 10 different interpretations".

It sounds like the Churches in your area have apostatised, and I agree there are very few Churches that preach Gods Word faithfully. Most have an agenda as you rightly pointed out. But lets not lose sight of the fact that God is still building His Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

I spent around 3 1/2 years going from Church to Church, before I settled in this Church and became a member. I was deceived by a slick smooth talking charismatic, who convinced me to financially support his missions in 3rd world countries. I later found out that he was keeping most of the money for himself.

There are still some faithful Churches, so let's not throw out the baby with the bath water.
 
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Journey_man said:
I can't agree with your view here, because you've skipped over the whole process of salvation, to only focus on the end of the process.

You will suffer from a lack of discernment for the rest of your life. You will never have the mind of Christ, as long as you live in your corrupt body of death. God does not only save the soul, He saves both body and soul. He will resurrect His people, from every age and we will be reunited with our immortal, glorified, sinless, perfect bodies and then we will finally be like Christ and we will have the mind of Christ.

We can't stop sinning in this life, the Apostle Paul described the struggle of every born again Christian. When he said "the good that I want to do, I don't do, but the evil that I don't want to do, that I do". So if he can't do what he wants to do, and he does what he doesn't want to do, then he is not in control of himself, but the impulse to sin controls him just as it does to all of us.
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The person described in Romans 7 has always been considered until Calvin, an unsaved Jew trying to find justification by the Law. This does not describe the Christian experience of Paul or any other. Sin is not to be tolerated, but by the grace of God, overcome. See Rom 6 & 8.
 
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Journey_man said:
I can't agree with your view here, because you've skipped over the whole process of salvation, to only focus on the end of the process.

You will suffer from a lack of discernment for the rest of your life. You will never have the mind of Christ, as long as you live in your corrupt body of death. God does not only save the soul, He saves both body and soul. He will resurrect His people, from every age and we will be reunited with our immortal, glorified, sinless, perfect bodies and then we will finally be like Christ and we will have the mind of Christ.

We can't stop sinning in this life, the Apostle Paul described the struggle of every born again Christian. When he said "the good that I want to do, I don't do, but the evil that I don't want to do, that I do". So if he can't do what he wants to do, and he does what he doesn't want to do, then he is not in control of himself, but the impulse to sin controls him just as it does to all of us.
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"“For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ." 1 Corinthians 2:16

Sin for the believer should be the exception rather than the rule. I agree that we do not achieve perfection in this lifetime. However, victory over sin is possible.

Part of the problem is that Christians are great at fault finding and finger pointing, joining Satan in accusing the brethren. Often, in my experience, it is to divert attention away from their own shortcomings. The answer is not to browbeat or bully, neither is it to ignore or gloss over sinful behaviour. Christians need sound teaching and encouragement as to how they can overcome sin. It is possible. I'm not the same as I was 50 years ago and everyone should be exceedingly glad of that.
 
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Journey_man said:
I can't agree with your view here, because you've skipped over the whole process of salvation, to only focus on the end of the process.

You will suffer from a lack of discernment for the rest of your life. You will never have the mind of Christ, as long as you live in your corrupt body of death. God does not only save the soul, He saves both body and soul. He will resurrect His people, from every age and we will be reunited with our immortal, glorified, sinless, perfect bodies and then we will finally be like Christ and we will have the mind of Christ.

We can't stop sinning in this life, the Apostle Paul described the struggle of every born again Christian. When he said "the good that I want to do, I don't do, but the evil that I don't want to do, that I do". So if he can't do what he wants to do, and he does what he doesn't want to do, then he is not in control of himself, but the impulse to sin controls him just as it does to all of us.
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Philippians 1:19 For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,

Paul is talking about evangelism that he and others are involved in turning out to his salvation. Now he isn't referring to him being saved from damnation or hell. Nor does he feel the need every time the word "salvation" is used to talk about being saved by grace from sin. We are told in Hebrews that we are to go on from the milk of the word to the meat of the word, and that is what Paul is doing here.

20 According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.

No what he is referring to as salvation is overcoming the enemy and magnifying Jesus Christ in His body. When he says "in nothing being put to shame" the enemy was trying to put his ministry to shame. This is all about discernment, and wisdom. Now it isn't about eternal damnation, but the enemy would love nothing more than to bring Paul and his ministry into judgment.

21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

This word explains this. An unbeliever would never say this. It requires growth and maturity in Christ before anyone would say this.
 
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TOO DANGEROUS? WTH?​


Israel attacks Lebanon and Iran closes straight of Hormuz. We are going to need a new definition for "ceasefire". Oil is up from 91.5 to 99.5.

The "good news" is that the draft is being reinstated. We are going to need a new definition for "good news" as well.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Looks like Trump is not going to invade. Color revolution failed, neighboring countries are saying US can't use their airspaces for attack, internal network of foreign agents and subversives being dismantled, Iran is activating an internal internet cut off from the outside world, fear of devasting Iranian counterattack.

Reportedly Iran has intelligence that the west is pivoting to start color revolutions in Kurdish Iran and Balochistan (separatist region neighboring Pakistan)
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Balochistan??
 
Journey_man said:
I'm not a theologian, nor am I a Bible Scholar, but I believe the Bible is the inspired, infallible, and sufficient Word of God, serving as the only ultimate rule for faith and practice.
I believe salvation is entirely due to God's sovereign grace, not human merit or effort. I believe justification (being declared righteous) is received by faith alone in Christ, not by works.
I believe Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and man. I believe the primary purpose of life is to glorify God.

I'm sure you would agree that God won't judge anyone, based on their ability to interpret the bible. But He will judge everyone according to what they have done.
From my understanding, there is only one condition we must meet in order to be saved, and that is we must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

My pastor said the vast majority of Gods people have never even read the bible.
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I am impressed with your sound knowledge and understanding of the gospel, and your clear-headed ability to articulate it. The people who are resisting you are frauds and imposters.
 
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Journey_man said:
My pastor said the vast majority of Gods people have never even read the bible.
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Yes true, BUT there are also many people who have read the Bible many times over and then use it for their own personal ambitions,

have been indoctrinated to read it in a certain way this can be worse because they use sophistry and it is very deceiving.
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Where are they being stationed? There are not a lot of places for them to go without being sitting ducks. This isn't like 2001 when they could spend a year amassing forces without fear of attack.
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Good point, I had this very conversation with a family member just last week.

That is not nearly enough troops, maybe just posturing by the US?
Seriously what a gong show, there are moments I think, is this really happening, how dumb/compromised (?) has the US become. sigh.
It has been reported that in the Situation Room, in February, a certain leader of another state sat across from the DT as an equal.
 
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