Sabbath Obligation?

[BlessedCreator]

I'm not saying we are under the law because God tells us very clearly we are not anymore but to add to the discussion Jesus said it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath day. Something for survival would be good. Even so we are not under the law so it matters not.

 

[Blik]

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, That I will make a new covenant With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers In the day that I took them by the hand To bring them out of the land of Egypt; Which my covenant they brake, Although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, And write it in their hearts; And will be their God, And they shall be my people.” Jeremiah 31:31–33 (KJV 1900)

And where, in this powerful verse, do you find the reason to say that God destroyed what God had done? Does it say it destroys the Sabbath? Or the ten commandments? My God is telling me He is adding to my world, not destroying.

 

[Dave-L]

And where, in this powerful verse, do you find the reason to say that God destroyed what God had done? Does it say it destroys the Sabbath? Or the ten commandments? My God is telling me He is adding to my world, not destroying.

The Old Covenant was the Ten Commandments. Proof available. The New Covenant replaced it. The Apostles imported most of it, except the Sabbath and Circumcision into the New Covenant. Keeping the Law is forbidden but using it for instruction is good.

 

[Lanolin]

When I first came to the truth of the Bible and realized that we need to obey God's will to
be saved, one of the things that I was unsure of, until I searched the scriptures, was whether or
not I needed to keep the Sabbath day or not. As I knew it was something God commanded the Israelites
to keep. But was it something Christians needed to?

Scripture makes it clear that Christians do not have to keep the Sabbath.

Colossians 2:16
"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of
an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

From Ellicott's commentary on Colossians 2:16
"It is obvious that St. Paul gives no hint of any succession of the Lord's Day to be,
in any strict sense, a "Christian Sabbath." We know, indeed, that the Jewish Sabbath itself
lingered in the Church, as having a kind of sacredness, kept sometimes as a fast, sometimes
as a festival. But its observance was not of obligation. No man was to "judge" others in respect of it."

In the book of Acts in chapter 21 verse 25, Paul is speaking on things regarding the customs of the Jews,
and what, if any, should the gentiles keep.
"As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no
such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered
to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication."

If the Sabbath was something to be kept under the new covenant,
I believe it would have been mentioned here.

Mark 2:23-28
"And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his
disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn. And the Pharisees said
unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful? And he said
unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they
that were with him? How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high
priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and
gave also to them which were with him? And he said unto them, The sabbath was
made for man, and not man for the sabbath: therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."

Those that are in Christ under grace through faith are not under the Law
neither the commandments of Moses. Though I will say, besides the Sabbath commandment, the other 9 commandments
are taught (some indirectly) in the New Testament.

Romans 6:14
"For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace."

its because everyone has different calendars, so the Israelites would be counting their days and weeks but everyone else, all the gentiles had different days.
even today the Israelites are up to year 5780. But most everywhwre else its only 2020. and everyone celebrates their new year at different times. Chinese new year, Maori new year, april fools day financial new year...etc etc.

 

[Dino246]

My God is telling me He is adding to my world, not destroying.

You hold to many unbiblical generalizations, and they appear to be at the root of your error. Stick with what Scripture actually states instead of generalizing... and making and idol of it.

 

[Blik]

The Old Covenant was the Ten Commandments. Proof available. The New Covenant replaced it. The Apostles imported most of it, except the Sabbath and Circumcision into the New Covenant. Keeping the Law is forbidden but using it for instruction is good.

You are adding a LOT of words to scripture, and writing your own scripture as if you are God. You add that the old covenant is the ten commandments, scripture does not say this. Scripture says that the old way is obsolete, there is no more use for the priestly system, there is no scripture mention of "replacement". That is your words.

 

[Blik]

You hold to many unbiblical generalizations, and they appear to be at the root of your error. Stick with what Scripture actually states instead of generalizing... and making and idol of it.

You often quote men in your posts, I only quote and read scripture. I can name many unbiblical ideas you give, such as how God speaks to Jews only. I only use scripture and follow God.

 

[Dino246]

You often quote men in your posts, I only quote and read scripture. I can name many unbiblical ideas you give, such as how God speaks to Jews only. I only use scripture and follow God.

You can claim that I give unbiblical ideas, but until you actually quote me, all you have is empty accusation. As for the rest of your comment, does it feel better to claim some superiority?

 

[Lightskin]

Romans 10:9-10

 

[Blik]

You can claim that I give unbiblical ideas, but until you actually quote me, all you have is empty accusation. As for the rest of your comment, does it feel better to claim some superiority?

If you met me to discuss scripture over coffee, you would not be able to even think of me as claiming superiority. But I do my level best to wipe all man's ideas of God out and lean completely on the Lord. It makes me an odd ball. It feels to me now that so many ideas from men have crept in that it is as if they brain washed the church.

I went to my very wonderful but orthodox minister when I began truly studying the word. He finally said we can't discuss this, you are my sister in Christ, but I disagree with you. A year later he passed me in the hall and stopped just long enough to say "you may be right". He has a doctorate in theology and is absolutely saintly as a Christian.

 

[Dave-L]

You are adding a LOT of words to scripture, and writing your own scripture as if you are God. You add that the old covenant is the ten commandments, scripture does not say this. Scripture says that the old way is obsolete, there is no more use for the priestly system, there is no scripture mention of "replacement". That is your words.

Ten Commandments were the Old Covenant

“And He (God) wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.” Exodus 34:28


“And He declared unto you His covenant, which He commanded you to perform, even the Ten Commandments.” Deuteronomy 4:13:


“When I was gone up into the mount to receive the tables of stone, even the tables of the covenant.” Deuteronomy 9:9:


“So I turned and came down from the mount . . . and the two tables of the covenant were in my two hands.” Deuteronomy 9:15:

“There was nothing in the ark save the two tables of stone which Moses put there at Horeb, when Jehovah made a covenant with the children of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt,” I Kings 8:9

“And there have I set a place for the ark, wherein is the covenant of Jehovah, which he made with our fathers, when he brought them out of the land of Egypt.” I Kings 8:21

The second of these two texts is repeated in II Chronicles 6:11.

Consider “The ark of the covenant” that held the Ten Commandments (Numbers 10:33; Jeremiah 3:16, and other places)

Also; “It contained the golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered entirely with gold. In this ark were the golden urn containing the manna, Aaron’s rod that budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant.” (Hebrews 9:4) (NET)

 

[Hungry]

This is what it all comes down to. Rules are given to people who lack love and understanding. Because not everyone is kind and wise we need rules of the road to avoid accidents. Because children are foolish and impetuous they require rules for what to eat and when to go to bed. Once you are older and wiser, you eat your vegetables liberally and go to bed responsibly. To a nomadic nation newly introduced to this very real deity, they needed rules. We the children of God do not need to be bribed and threatened to do what is loving and wise. We know there is one Almighty God, why would we bow to another. We know murder and stealing and adultery are wrong because they are fruits of greed and selfishness. And we don’t have to be told to set aside a day of worship for the Lord because we want to worship our Father in the congregation of fellow believers.

 

[garee]

I asked you where "Sabbath" and "bringing the gospel" are directly associated in Scripture. You haven't provided anything that even remotely links them.

Seems obvious to me. The Sabbath is the rest we receive from Christ it is His good news working in us creating a future hope un seen by the eye .

No mixing of faith with the temporal, no gospel. No gospel working in us no rest .

For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. Hebrews4: 3

Did you try using the signified tongue of prophecy? It gives us the gospel understanding making our hearts soft .

You can hear it today . We are still under the Sun the temporal

I would suggest the tools that he has given us so that we can seek His approval can be like gold .Don't leave earth without them. They reveal the mysteries hid from the faithless. .those who literalize the dignified understanding .The gospel using parables to teach us how to hear and therefore understand. . . .walk the the unseen spirit within as Jesus walked

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Eternal the invisible

Therefore when rightly dividing parables we follow the prescription (walk by faith) of God the doctor of our soul.

 

[Dino246]

Seems obvious to me. The Sabbath is the rest we receive from Christ it is His good news working in us creating a future hope un seen by the eye .

No mixing of faith with the temporal, no gospel. No gospel working in us no rest .

For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. Hebrews4: 3

Did you try using the signified tongue of prophecy? It gives us the gospel understanding making our hearts soft .

You can hear it today . We are still under the Sun the temporal

I would suggest the tools that he has given us so that we can seek His approval can be like gold .Don't leave earth without them. They reveal the mysteries hid from the faithless. .those who literalize the dignified understanding .The gospel using parables to teach us how to hear and therefore understand. . . .walk the the unseen spirit within as Jesus walked

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Eternal the invisible

Therefore when rightly dividing parables we follow the prescription (walk by faith) of God the doctor of our soul.

Again, lots of words but no answer.

It's time to admit that you have no answer, because there is no direct connection in Scripture between the two concepts.

 

[Blik]

This is what it all comes down to. Rules are given to people who lack love and understanding. Because not everyone is kind and wise we need rules of the road to avoid accidents. Because children are foolish and impetuous they require rules for what to eat and when to go to bed. Once you are older and wiser, you eat your vegetables liberally and go to bed responsibly. To a nomadic nation newly introduced to this very real deity, they needed rules. We the children of God do not need to be bribed and threatened to do what is loving and wise. We know there is one Almighty God, why would we bow to another. We know murder and stealing and adultery are wrong because they are fruits of greed and selfishness. And we don’t have to be told to set aside a day of worship for the Lord because we want to worship our Father in the congregation of fellow believers.

I think the difference in our understanding of these rules that many say are cancelled can be explained with the Hebrew word that the word law is used to interpret. The Hebrew word that we read as law is Torah.

If you look up Torah in Strongs it means much more than law. We now think of law as books of rules handed down by a judge. It is Torah, actually more like a parent giving guidance to their child. When you say it is cancelled, you mean the mechanical way of obedience is cancelled. To cancel Torah would be to cancel the guidance of our Father God.

 

[Hungry]

I think the difference in our understanding of these rules that many say are cancelled can be explained with the Hebrew word that the word law is used to interpret. The Hebrew word that we read as law is Torah.

If you look up Torah in Strongs it means much more than law. We now think of law as books of rules handed down by a judge. It is Torah, actually more like a parent giving guidance to their child. When you say it is cancelled, you mean the mechanical way of obedience is cancelled. To cancel Torah would be to cancel the guidance of our Father God.

I think that’s a good way to describe it. The Body is all grown up. Dad isn’t telling us what we have to do anymore with punishments and rewards for motivation. He just expects we will do it because of our maturity, we know better.

 

[Blik]

When I first came to the truth of the Bible and realized that we need to obey God's will to
be saved, one of the things that I was unsure of, until I searched the scriptures, was whether or
not I needed to keep the Sabbath day or not. As I knew it was something God commanded the Israelites
to keep. But was it something Christians needed to?

Scripture makes it clear that Christians do not have to keep the Sabbath.

Colossians 2:16
"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of
an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

From Ellicott's commentary on Colossians 2:16
"It is obvious that St. Paul gives no hint of any succession of the Lord's Day to be,
in any strict sense, a "Christian Sabbath." We know, indeed, that the Jewish Sabbath itself
lingered in the Church, as having a kind of sacredness, kept sometimes as a fast, sometimes
as a festival. But its observance was not of obligation. No man was to "judge" others in respect of it."

In the book of Acts in chapter 21 verse 25, Paul is speaking on things regarding the customs of the Jews,
and what, if any, should the gentiles keep.
"As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no
such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered
to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication."

If the Sabbath was something to be kept under the new covenant,
I believe it would have been mentioned here.

Mark 2:23-28
"And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his
disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn. And the Pharisees said
unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful? And he said
unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they
that were with him? How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high
priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and
gave also to them which were with him? And he said unto them, The sabbath was
made for man, and not man for the sabbath: therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."

Those that are in Christ under grace through faith are not under the Law
neither the commandments of Moses. Though I will say, besides the Sabbath commandment, the other 9 commandments
are taught (some indirectly) in the New Testament.

Romans 6:14
"For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace."

You quote Paul as he tells the Corossians to let no man tell them not to taste, handle, or touch. In other words, it is the Lord telling them to celebrate and live joyously in this life and feast as God tells them to. The Ghostics told them everything physical was sin, so they weren't to feast in celebration of God's salvation. Here you are turning Paul's words all around.

Paul points out the if you are Christian you follow what God tells us, not what men tells us. Here you put words in Paul's mouth saying to follow men.

 

[BlessedCreator]

You quote Paul as he tells the Corossians to let no man tell them not to taste, handle, or touch. In other words, it is the Lord telling them to celebrate and live joyously in this life and feast as God tells them to. The Ghostics told them everything physical was sin, so they weren't to feast in celebration of God's salvation. Here you are turning Paul's words all around.

Paul points out the if you are Christian you follow what God tells us, not what men tells us. Here you put words in Paul's mouth saying to follow men.

You are assuming that the scripture is telling the Christians to celebrate and live joyously and feast. Which is okay on occasion. We are to live temperate and holy lives not indulging in the flesh more than what is right with God, of which we have other scriptures such as 1 Timothy 5:6 to guide us how much "celebrating and living joyously in this life, feasting" as you put it, we are to be doing. You sound like you are trying to teach that we can indulge in the flesh beyond what God's word really tells us.

1 Timothy 5:6 KJB "But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth."
Romans 8:6 KJB "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. "
1 John 2:15 KJB "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. "

That is not to say God isn't merciful and alloweth us moderate comforts, BUT we are to regulate those base on God's word and guidance of His Spirit. The desires of the flesh are to be subdued.

1 Corinthians 15:19 KJB "If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable."

Matthew 7:13-14 KJB "
"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

We must live in obedience unto God's commandments if we desire to be saved. I am not saying everything physical as sin as you keep saying, but we must be temperate and do what is right with God.

Also what is your definition of a feast?

 

[Blik]

You are assuming that the scripture is telling the Christians to celebrate and live joyously and feast. Which is okay on occasion. We are to live temperate and holy lives not indulging in the flesh more than what is right with God, of which we have other scriptures such as 1 Timothy 5:6 to guide us how much "celebrating and living joyously in this life, feasting" as you put it, we are to be doing. You sound like you are trying to teach that we can indulge in the flesh beyond what God's word really tells us.

1 Timothy 5:6 KJB "But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth."
Romans 8:6 KJB "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. "
1 John 2:15 KJB "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. "

That is not to say God isn't merciful and alloweth us moderate comforts, BUT we are to regulate those base on God's word and guidance of His Spirit. The desires of the flesh are to be subdued.

1 Corinthians 15:19 KJB "If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable."

Matthew 7:13-14 KJB "
"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

We must live in obedience unto God's commandments if we desire to be saved. I am not saying everything physical as sin as you keep saying, but we must be temperate and do what is right with God.

Also what is your definition of a feast?

I am not 'assuming", I don't rely on my fleshly thinking, I am reporting what scripture says.

 

[BlessedCreator]

I am not 'assuming", I don't rely on my fleshly thinking, I am reporting what scripture says.

You didn't answer my question about what your definition of a feast is. Can you?

Paul in Col 2:16 is telling us that we should not let anyone judge us concerning the ordinances (as mention 2 verses earlier) of the Law which dictated which animals were clean and not clean, feasts they were to keep (ex. Feast of Unleavened Bread) and the weekly Sabbath and any of the "High-Sabbaths" such as occur on the first and last days of Feast of Unleavened Bread.

There is nothing in these verses that tell us we are to live "joyfully, feasting" as you put in, which to me sounds like you are advocating the pleasing of the carnal mind and flesh.

Jude 1:23 KJB "And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh."

I am not saying that a good meal is not allowed on occasion. For it is as God tells us.
But everything with temperance and according to God's will.

Philippians 3:18-20 KJB "
18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:"