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Dino246

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Regarding Hosea 8: 1... Don't quote me from the NIV or the NLT, both are poor translation changing the meanings of verses. The other translations uses the phrase "transgressed my covenant" and so the the Hebrew. Broken my covenant and transgressed my covenant have two different meanings. Not to mention, when the book of the law was found in the time of king Josiah, he made a covenant before God to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and all the people stood to the covenant which concludes that the NIV and the NLT are incorrect translations, they interpret it to fit their view. Read 2nd Kings 22.

Regarding Jeremiah 11:10... the Hebrew word depicts it to mean to violate, frustrate, cause to cease, to make void, in other words, they wanted nothing to do with God which is why he put them out of his site bringing them to captivity. If the law of God was broken, meaning no longer in effect, why didn't Yeshua mention it to the Pharisees? If God's word is broken then it will contradict Isaiah 40:8 where it says, the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God stands forever." The laws were deliberately ignored, pushed aside because they wanted nothing to do with God.
I’ll quote whichever translation I want to quote. It’s your problem if you’re unwilling to check your preferred translation, which I note you fail to identify.

Your reasoning for rejecting the NIV is invalid. All you have managed to demonstrate is difference, rather than either being right or wrong.

God’s word stands forever, and Scripture tells us that Isael broke His covenant. His word and His covenant aren’t the same thing.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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I keep the Sabbath by keeping my trust in him, everyday, Searching his word everyday, being grateful everyday, loving my neighbor as myself everyday.
And when I fail, I turn to him, everyday.
Everyday is the Sabbath.
If Joshua had given them rest, Christ would not need to, but because even when they laid down their heavy loads, their hearts were still burdened. Christ lifts that burden and gives true rest; in trusting him. So in him I rest, in him I trust. You may trust in the setting and rising of the sun, if the sun fails the Lord does not. Though this body perish I live forever with him.
 

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  1. "Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in nowise pass from the law" (Matthew 5:18).
  2. "Till all is fulfilled" (Matthew 5:18).
Thinking of God's Appointed Times, it's my understanding that not all have been fulfilled by Messiah?
* FULFILLED - Passover - (He was the passover lamb)
* FULFILLED - Unleavened Bread - Removal of the leaven (sin) in our lives
* FULFILLED - First Fruit - He is the first fruits of those who sleep (1 Cor 15:20)
* FULFILLED - Shavuot / Pentecost - Giving of Law on Mt Sinai & Giving of Holy Spirit (written on the hearts)
* NOT Fulfilled? - Day of Trumpets - ?
* NOT Fulfilled? - Day of Atonement - ?
* NOT Fulfilled? - Feast of Tabernacles - ?
 

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Thinking of God's Appointed Times, it's my understanding that not all have been fulfilled by Messiah?
* FULFILLED - Passover - (He was the passover lamb)
* FULFILLED - Unleavened Bread - Removal of the leaven (sin) in our lives
* FULFILLED - First Fruit - He is the first fruits of those who sleep (1 Cor 15:20)
* FULFILLED - Shavuot / Pentecost - Giving of Law on Mt Sinai & Giving of Holy Spirit (written on the hearts)
* NOT Fulfilled? - Day of Trumpets - ?
* NOT Fulfilled? - Day of Atonement - ?
* NOT Fulfilled? - Feast of Tabernacles - ?
One can find many resources if they search, Bible Messiah prophecies yet to be fulfilled.
This is but one. LINKED

For those who think the Sabbath is no longer applicable to the Christian, they would have to find the scripture where Jesus said so. Where Jesus abolished the Sabbath. Save the search, it does not exist.
The Sabbath, Jesus told us, was made for us.
If we choose not to honor that day, that is our choice. If we choose to honor Sabbath day, that too is our choice. We're told in the word, let no one judge us for that.

Why then would we encounter those who are adamantly opposed, even to the point of personal upset to find people who do honor the Sabbath day and keep it holy? God only knows.
 
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for those who have 'Xed' out the EXO. Scriptures, 'so be it for you', your choice -
the rest of us will Obey our Saviour and follow His instructions, re, OBEY His Commands...
walk in His Steps'...
 

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Thinking of God's Appointed Times, it's my understanding that not all have been fulfilled by Messiah?
* FULFILLED - Passover - (He was the passover lamb)
* FULFILLED - Unleavened Bread - Removal of the leaven (sin) in our lives
* FULFILLED - First Fruit - He is the first fruits of those who sleep (1 Cor 15:20)
* FULFILLED - Shavuot / Pentecost - Giving of Law on Mt Sinai & Giving of Holy Spirit (written on the hearts)
* NOT Fulfilled? - Day of Trumpets - ?
* NOT Fulfilled? - Day of Atonement - ?
* NOT Fulfilled? - Feast of Tabernacles - ?
Day of atonement??? What do you think He did on the cross??
 

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Day of atonement??? What do you think He did on the cross??
He was our sacrifice on the cross. The day of atonement is judgement.

During the judgment, Satan will bring accusations of transgression and unbelief against believers, while Jesus acts as defense. "Jesus will appear as their advocate, to plead in their behalf before God." "While Jesus is pleading for the subjects of His grace, Satan accuses them before God as transgressors."

Hebrews 4:14-16 New International Version (NIV)
Jesus the Great High Priest
14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven,[a] Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin. 16 Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.
 

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I’ll quote whichever translation I want to quote. It’s your problem if you’re unwilling to check your preferred translation, which I note you fail to identify.

Your reasoning for rejecting the NIV is invalid. All you have managed to demonstrate is difference, rather than either being right or wrong.

God’s word stands forever, and Scripture tells us that Isael broke His covenant. His word and His covenant aren’t the same thing.
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First, is not a matter of me wanting to be right and wrong which is the excuse you people given to deliberately remove the law of God, that is what this is all about with you people.

Secondly, you are correct I have a lot of reason not to own a NIV, it is not only a poor and misleading translation, but full of errors making it one of the worst translations for anyone seriously interested in what the Bible has to say. Why don't you look up the title "NIV BIBLE WORST TRANSLATION".

Thirdly, when a verse is not clear in my mind, I would go to a reputable translation of the bible (not an interpretation of the bible) to see how they word it, but I would make sure I go to the original language to see how they word it and why they used such and such a word. One thing for sure, I would not dare to go to the NIV and neither would I teach from such a so-called translation which is not a translation, the NIV is an interpretation to support the translator's view and what they want you to believe. Anyone that teaches from the NIV most likely will distort true teachings of the Scriptures. You substantiating your view from a NIV bible says a lot.

Fourthly, your view on Israel that they broke the covenant is based on an interpretation not a translation, do you know that?

People like you who are stuck with views they been taught or who are unwilling to truthfully and fairly weigh the true teachings of what the Scriptures will always be in error, not to mention, they are depending on the interpretation of others and not the truth of the Scriptures.

The NIV is poor and misleading in its translation and that is because it is not truly a translation of the Scriptures, but an interpretation of one's view and how one wants you to see it. Just remember that God was clear when he first spoke and if true then why would man try to interpret what God made clear, unless their God was not clear.

One more thing, if you are going to quote the NIV makes sure substantiate it with the original language.
 

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And what I meant to say earlier, was, how do you reconcile not believing Once Saved Always Saved, with the examples of such as Samson, David and Solomon?
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Let me thank you one more time for bringing to my attention the two spelling errors. I am surprised I missed that, but what I have you here for :) Thank you again.

By the way, you are correct, keeping the Sabbath has nothing to do with Salvation, it has to do with being obedient to the God's law (referring to the Ten Commandments) which has nothing to do with Salvation. So, when one brings up the law immediately one thinks about working for Salvation.
 
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First, is not a matter of me wanting to be right and wrong which is the excuse you people given to deliberately remove the law of God, that is what this is all about with you people.

Secondly, you are correct I have a lot of reason not to own a NIV, it is not only a poor and misleading translation, but full of errors making it one of the worst translations for anyone seriously interested in what the Bible has to say. Why don't you look up the title "NIV BIBLE WORST TRANSLATION".

Thirdly, when a verse is not clear in my mind, I would go to a reputable translation of the bible (not an interpretation of the bible) to see how they word it, but I would make sure I go to the original language to see how they word it and why they used such and such a word. One thing for sure, I would not dare to go to the NIV and neither would I teach from such a so-called translation which is not a translation, the NIV is an interpretation to support the translator's view and what they want you to believe. Anyone that teaches from the NIV most likely will distort true teachings of the Scriptures. You substantiating your view from a NIV bible says a lot.

Fourthly, your view on Israel that they broke the covenant is based on an interpretation not a translation, do you know that?

People like you who are stuck with views they been taught or who are unwilling to truthfully and fairly weigh the true teachings of what the Scriptures will always be in error, not to mention, they are depending on the interpretation of others and not the truth of the Scriptures.

The NIV is poor and misleading in its translation and that is because it is not truly a translation of the Scriptures, but an interpretation of one's view and how one wants you to see it. Just remember that God was clear when he first spoke and if true then why would man try to interpret what God made clear, unless their God was not clear.

One more thing, if you are going to quote the NIV makes sure substantiate it with the original language.
You sound like Bill Nye the assertion guy. You have made several assertions with out one shred of evidence. I don't use the NIV either for my own reasons, however you have gone on a rant with out one bit of evidence. Emoting is not proof.
 

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re: "If we choose not to honor that day, that is our choice. If we choose to honor Sabbath day, that too is our choice. We're told in the word, let no one judge us for that."

I'm not aware of any scripture which says that. What do you have in mind?
 

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He was our sacrifice on the cross. The day of atonement is judgement.

During the judgment, Satan will bring accusations of transgression and unbelief against believers, while Jesus acts as defense. "Jesus will appear as their advocate, to plead in their behalf before God." "While Jesus is pleading for the subjects of His grace, Satan accuses them before God as transgressors."

Hebrews 4:14-16 New International Version (NIV)
Jesus the Great High Priest
14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven,[a] Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin. 16 Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.
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The day of atonement was judgement, where did you get that from?
You sound like Bill Nye the assertion guy. You have made several assertions with out one shred of evidence. I don't use the NIV either for my own reasons, however you have gone on a rant with out one bit of evidence. Emoting is not proof.
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About the NIV... I don't need provide you proof, why don't you do a such on you own and you will see the truth of the NIV.

On the others, I explained it all in a previous post, maybe you should go back and read.
 
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The day of atonement was judgement, where did you get that from?

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About the NIV... I don't need provide you proof, why don't you do a such on you own and you will see the truth of the NIV.

On the others, I explained it all in a previous post, maybe you should go back and read.
You made assertions, and did not provide evidence.
When one makes an assertion it is incumbent upon him to support the assertion with evidence, for integrity sake.
 

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The new covenant is made with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not with the Gentiles. One more thing, when a Gentile becomes a believer he becomes of of the commonwealth of Israel that is because the blessing of Abraham came to the Gentiles through Yeshua, but the fact is that the new covenant came to both houses much better then their fathers receive and that is because now they are stored in the minds and written in the hearts.
The New Covenant is with the Children of God.

Galatians 3:26-29
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Romans 9:6-8
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Romans 9:23-29
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.
29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
 

Dino246

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First, is not a matter of me wanting to be right and wrong which is the excuse you people given to deliberately remove the law of God, that is what this is all about with you people.

Secondly, you are correct I have a lot of reason not to own a NIV, it is not only a poor and misleading translation, but full of errors making it one of the worst translations for anyone seriously interested in what the Bible has to say. Why don't you look up the title "NIV BIBLE WORST TRANSLATION".

Thirdly, when a verse is not clear in my mind, I would go to a reputable translation of the bible (not an interpretation of the bible) to see how they word it, but I would make sure I go to the original language to see how they word it and why they used such and such a word. One thing for sure, I would not dare to go to the NIV and neither would I teach from such a so-called translation which is not a translation, the NIV is an interpretation to support the translator's view and what they want you to believe. Anyone that teaches from the NIV most likely will distort true teachings of the Scriptures. You substantiating your view from a NIV bible says a lot.

Fourthly, your view on Israel that they broke the covenant is based on an interpretation not a translation, do you know that?

People like you who are stuck with views they been taught or who are unwilling to truthfully and fairly weigh the true teachings of what the Scriptures will always be in error, not to mention, they are depending on the interpretation of others and not the truth of the Scriptures.

The NIV is poor and misleading in its translation and that is because it is not truly a translation of the Scriptures, but an interpretation of one's view and how one wants you to see it. Just remember that God was clear when he first spoke and if true then why would man try to interpret what God made clear, unless their God was not clear.

One more thing, if you are going to quote the NIV makes sure substantiate it with the original language.
Firstly, you introduced the term, "broke" in regard to the covenant.

Secondly, the NIV is far from alone in using "broken" at Jeremiah 11:10. It's just what I happened to use at the time.

Thirdly, your ad hominem remarks are fallacious. I don't care what you think about me, nor does anyone else reading this thread; it's irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Fourthly, your broadbrushing ("you people", etc.) is simply ridiculous. I think for myself. Don't you?

Fifthy, your opinions regarding the NIV are secondary to this topic. Start a different thread if you like; I'm not discussing them here.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Firstly, you introduced the term, "broke" in regard to the covenant.

Secondly, the NIV is far from alone in using "broken" at Jeremiah 11:10. It's just what I happened to use at the time.

Thirdly, your ad hominem remarks are fallacious. I don't care what you think about me, nor does anyone else reading this thread; it's irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Fourthly, your broadbrushing ("you people", etc.) is simply ridiculous. I think for myself. Don't you?

Fifthy, your opinions regarding the NIV are secondary to this topic. Start a different thread if you like; I'm not discussing them here.
I. [פָּרַר] vb. Hiph. break, frustrate — 1. break, violate, esp. c. acc. בְּרִית: a. of ˊי‍. b. of men violating covenant with ˊי‍. c. of men breaking compact league (with men). d. of destroying the אַחֲוָה between Judah and Israel. e. of breaking ˊי‍’s מִצְוָה. 2. frustrate, make ineffectual: a. counsel (עֵצָה); ˊי‍ subj.; of man frustrating ˊי‍’s counsel, so, c. acc. מִשְׁפָּט; c. acc. מַחֲשָׁבוֹת in gen., of men, ˊי‍ subj., so, c. acc. אֹתוֹת. b. make vow (נֶדֶר) ineffectual, annul it (opp. הֵקִים). c. of annulling (godly) fear. Hoph. 1. be frustrated. 2. be broken, of covenant. Pilp. shatter

פָּרַר pârar, paw-rar´; a prim. root; to break up (usually fig., i.e. to violate, frustrate):—× any ways, break (asunder), cast off, cause to cease, × clean, defeat, disannul, disappoint, dissolve, divide, make of none effect, fail, frustrate, bring (come) to nought, × utterly, make void

I don't know how broken can possibly be wrong.
 
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What translation doesn't use broken?
 

Dino246

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I. [פָּרַר] vb. Hiph. break, frustrate — 1. break, violate, esp. c. acc. בְּרִית: a. of ˊי‍. b. of men violating covenant with ˊי‍. c. of men breaking compact league (with men). d. of destroying the אַחֲוָה between Judah and Israel. e. of breaking ˊי‍’s מִצְוָה. 2. frustrate, make ineffectual: a. counsel (עֵצָה); ˊי‍ subj.; of man frustrating ˊי‍’s counsel, so, c. acc. מִשְׁפָּט; c. acc. מַחֲשָׁבוֹת in gen., of men, ˊי‍ subj., so, c. acc. אֹתוֹת. b. make vow (נֶדֶר) ineffectual, annul it (opp. הֵקִים). c. of annulling (godly) fear. Hoph. 1. be frustrated. 2. be broken, of covenant. Pilp. shatter

פָּרַר pârar, paw-rar´; a prim. root; to break up (usually fig., i.e. to violate, frustrate):—× any ways, break (asunder), cast off, cause to cease, × clean, defeat, disannul, disappoint, dissolve, divide, make of none effect, fail, frustrate, bring (come) to nought, × utterly, make void

I don't know how broken can possibly be wrong.
It seems that SDS needs it to be wrong so that he doesn't have to admit that he is.
 

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You made assertions, and did not provide evidence.
When one makes an assertion it is incumbent upon him to support the assertion with evidence, for integrity sake.
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What I stated about the NIV I new this for the longest and many others did.

Regarding the Scripture on Israel, I quoted books and verses all you have to do is go back and read, and even if I didn't quote books and verses you should know the Scriptures. Yeshua did not even give verses he only said, it is written, would you be asking him to provide you with evidence? It is up to you to prove a person wrong if you disagree.