SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST HEALTHCARE FACILITIES DO ELECTIVE ABORTIONS

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It seems paradoxical that the Seventh Day Adventist Church can claim that all Ten Commandments apply today, with a GREAT emphasis on the Saturday Sabbath, yet disregard the commandment in regards to murder by allowing elective abortions in their health care facilities. This has been a practice since 1970, two years before Roe versus Wade.

The external policy that they produce says that abortions are allowed in these cases (quoting a statement from their website):

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The Church does not serve as conscience for individuals; however, it should provide moral guidance. Abortions for reasons of birth control, gender selection, or convenience are not condoned by the Church. Women, at times however, may face exceptional circumstances that present serious moral or medical dilemmas, such as significant threats to the pregnant woman's life, serious jeopardy to her health, severe congenital defects carefully diagnosed in the fetus, and pregnancy resulting from rape or incest. The final decision whether to terminate the pregnancy or not should be made by the pregnant woman after appropriate consultation. She should be aided in her decision by accurate information, biblical principles, and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Moreover, these decisions are best made within the context of healthy family relationships.
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Note that abortions are allowed in cases of severe congenital defects, and these defects would include such things as Down's Syndrome. I don't know about you, but I think a Down's Syndrome child is as worthy of life as anyone else, and that such children can be a blessing to the parents and family.

https://www.adventist.org/en/information/official-statements/guidelines/article/go/-/abortion/


The internal policy is that elective abortions are performed at their healthcare facilities, for any reason.

Here is a blog by an SDA who has written on this issue..he says that he used to do Bible studies with Catholics but can no longer do so with a straight face because Catholics would simply point out the inconsistency of clinging to the Fourth Commandment (Sabbath) on one hand while committing murder through abortion on the other hand.

https://adventlife.wordpress.com/20...ding-adventists-and-abortion-by-nic-samojluk/

Here's another article that explains SDA Ben Carson does not hold the position of the SDA church concerning abortion, and many SDAs don't like him due to this:

https://adventlife.wordpress.com/20...t-adventists-are-not-pro-lifeby-nic-samojluk/

Incidentally, I wonder if the de-valuing of life in the womb relates to the view that there is no life until the baby takes its first breath. Adventists believes that man is purely physical, with no spiritual component. This is part of why they believe in soul sleep and annihilationism. This belief is usually coupled with the idea that the life doesn't exist until the baby takes his first breath. This belief would make it easier to terminate the fetus.

Armstrongites, the group I belonged to as a new believer, borrows a lot of its doctrines from the SDAs. They hold a slightly different view of man's nature, but similarly believe that human life does not begin until the first breath, and that a stillborn baby would not be resurrected. However, they also believe abortion is a sin, so they are not consistent in their assertions.
 
"The seven heads are when the church[woman] and the state come together
then it becames the [holy] roman empire union, she [rides the beast] helps control

seven hills on which the woman sits, is times in history that this union
come together , this is past history, we can see when this has occured,

1st resurrection - Justinian in 554AD. restored the deadly wound.
the pope recognizing him as the supreme religious leader.

2nd resurrection - Charlemagne crowned by the pope in 800AD.
3rd resurrection - Otto the Great crowned by the pope in 962AD.
4th resurrection - Charles V crowned by the pope in 1520AD.
5th resurrection - Napoleon crowned by the pope in 1805
6th resurrection - Hitler/Mussolini empowered by Pope Pius XII.

7th resurrection - forming in Europe now.
 
Did you know that the Roman Catholic Church have their own version of the Ten Commandments
Is There Idolatry In The Roman Catholic Church?



-The following from the Catholic Encyclopaedia Vol. 4, p. 153 also confirms the deletion of the second Commandment and the change of the fourth. “The church, after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath of the seventh day of the week to the first made the third commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's Day.”
 
“The Pope is of great authority and power, that he is able to modify, declare,
or interpret even divine laws.


The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God,
and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth...”

— Lucius Ferraris, in “Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica”, Volume V, article on “Papa, Article II”, titled “Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and infallibility”, #30, published in Petit-Montrouge (Paris) by J. P. Migne, 1858 edition

the biggest sun dial in the world is the eight-rayed sun wheel, which was symbolic of
the god Ishtar and is located in St Peters Square in the Vatican .

http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/piazza.jpg
in the center of the wheel is an obelisk, a genuine Egyptian obelisk shipped
from Heliopolis to Rome by the Roman emperor Caligula

* It is claimed that the word 'obelisk' literally means 'Baal's shaft' or 'Baal's organ of reproduction'.
Source: Masonic and Occult Symbols Illustrated, by Dr. Cathy Burns, pg. 341.

So in St. Peter's square, the symbol of Baal is within the symbol of Ishtar,
and at the center is an Egyptian obelisk, all representing pagan sun worship.
PAGAN SUN WORSHIP AND CATHOLICISM - THE PAGAN SUN WHEEL
bing pagan sun worship and catholicism
pagan sun worship and catholicism - Bing
 
What other denominations run a health care system that allow for abortions?

Seems to me that the policy in question is quite limited in scope. If it were not for the intrusion of the federal government there will be scant abortions performed, for the most part, to protect the life of the mother.

I can't see how the Ten Commandments, particularly the Sabbath, is relevant to the point of your OP.
 
yes another thread you started just to make a Sabbath keepers look bad,
I do pray for your hatred to be removed.


maybe we can start talking about the vaticans long history of coruption

UN committee blasts Vatican on sex abuse, abortion
UN committee blasts Vatican on sex abuse, abortion[/QUOT

Please explain to this country boy how being anti baby butchery is hatred? Hatred for the butchery yes. Dont you hate the killing of littel boys and girls?
 
I dont believe in eternal torture either. But neither do i hold to baby killing.
 
Please explain to this country boy how being anti baby butchery is hatred?
Hatred for the butchery yes. Dont you hate the killing of littel boys and girls?

If you have ever read any of sparkmans posts, you would see it is an attack
on anything to do with sabbath keepers, [see his first sentence on this post].

yes we should hate this inncent killings, but this was not his purpose here,
it was just another post to make the sabbath keeping look bad.
 
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If you have ever read any of sparkmans posts, you would see it is an attack
on anything to do with sabbath keepers, [see his first sentence on this post].

yes we should hate this inncent killings, but this was not his purpose here,
it was just another post to make the sabbath keeping look bad.
And so? They deserve to look bad for their stance on abortion...Sabbath or no Sabbath.
 
If you have ever read any of sparkmans posts, you would see it is an attack
on anything to do with sabbath keepers, [see his first sentence on this post].

yes we should hate this inncent killings, but this was not his purpose here,
it was just another post to make the sabbath keeping look bad.

I have prove-all on block but if someone quotes him, I will explain what his position is. He usually follows me along like a puppy to make Armstrongite comments on my threads :)

prove-all is an Armstrongite who believes he is going to be a God in the resurrection, on the same level as God the Father and Jesus Christ. The Christian life, to an Armstrongite, is about proving himself worthy of having the full powers of Godhood. He believes that he will be a God with his own planet at some point. This is typical Armstrongite teaching, and I believed it at once.

As an Armstrongite, he believes that normal Sunday-observing Christians are "so-called Christians" who are following a "false gospel" and a "counterfeit Christianity" whose ministers are "ministers of Satan". He would believe that the Roman Catholic Church is the Great Prostitute of Revelation 17, and that Protestant churches are the harlot daughters of this Great Prostitute due to their non-observance of the Sabbath. While he seems to deny elements of that, he continually posts things that reveal he believes their teaching in this regard. My guess is that he believes it but doesn't want to expose himself here as being a wolf.

He has said he is here as a watchman, to warn non-observing Christians that they are following the wrong way. Herbert Armstrong used similar language to speak of himself.

As an Armstrongite, he believes Herbert Armstrong was a prophet and apostle. Herbert Armstrong practiced incest with his daughter. This was brought up during the divorce proceedings with his last wife, and he did not deny the claim, either to the public or to the church. It wasn't mentioned to the church membership at the time, and members who knew anything about it apparently did not discuss it, as I was never informed about his immorality before becoming a member. I would never have followed a pedophilic incestuous "so-called" prophet and apostle.

If Herbert Armstrong denied the claim at any point, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt and say he didn't do it, but he never denied it. When his son was asked about it, his son did not deny it, but simply replied with the answer..how does that affect your (the questioner) salvation? So, it has not been denied by Armstrong or his son.

I have no issue with Sabbath-keepers who do not claim that Sabbath-keeping is a requirement, condition, or necessary fruit of salvation, and who do not claim that non-observers are in sin. it's the rest of Sabbathkeepers that I would have an issue with, especially the ones who claim that Roman Catholics and non-Sabbathkeeping Protestants are the daughters of the Great Prostitute. As far as I'm concerned, they are not brothers in Christ and are unbelievers, because they are attacking Christians. They are in the same position as the Apostle Paul was in prior to conversion.

Seventh Day Adventists claim that other Christians are in sin for non-observance. They also believe they are the remnant church and that the rest of Christianity needs to come under their wing in order to avoid receiving the Mark of the Beast in the end times. They believe that Roman Catholics are the Great Prostitute of Revelation 17, and that non-Sabbathkeeping Protestant churches are the daughters of this Great Prostitute (although they try to obscure this by excluding the remarks from their belief statement). They are actively involved in proselytizing other Christians, using deceitful means such as not identifying themselves on flyers for Bible studies on prophecy and health related seminars.

Armstrongites are worse..they teach that they are the true church and that everyone else is unsaved. If I were to assign numbers on a cult scale, I would rate Armstrongites as a 10 (worst cult) and Seventh Day Adventists as a 5. So that tells you how much worse Armstrongites are.

So, I have no issue with informing believers about wolves. And as an ex Armstrongite, I can inform other believers about the issues with the claim that believers must follow the Sabbath, holy days, and clean/unclean meat laws. Judaizers here don't like that because they think they have the upper hand doctrinally but in fact they do not. Their doctrines are full of holes. God liberated me from their doctrinal nonsense and their foolishness and I am so thankful for that. Praise God!

If anyone wants more information about what Armstrongites believe, here's my summary of it:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/114577-beware-armstrongism.html
 
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If you have ever read any of sparkmans posts, you would see it is an attack
on anything to do with sabbath keepers, [see his first sentence on this post].

yes we should hate this inncent killings, but this was not his purpose here,
it was just another post to make the sabbath keeping look bad.


By the way, one of my chat friends here, Yonah, is a Sabbath/festival keeper and he is someone that I talk with about various topics on a constant basis.

I don't agree with him on those topics, but that doesn't negate the fact that he provides good information to me on other topics.

So, I am not anti-Sabbathkeeper. I believe someone could be a Sabbath/festival observer and be a sound Christian. However, those who hold the view that I've mentioned concerning Revelation 17 are the main ones that I have issues with. They are basically persecutors of Christians.

Armstrongites and SDAs do hold that position.

The reason the Sabbath issue is pertinent is that it is incoherent to claim that Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath, are a requirement, condition, or necessary fruit of salvation, and that others are in sin for non-observance, when the same organization is committing murder by abortion.

Their argument that a fetus is not a human being prior to birth makes no sense, as they would not claim the same thing about a human being who is on life support, and a fetus is basically a being on life support. In addition, the idea that mankind is totally physical with no spiritual component isn't biblical. They rely too much on their view that "breath" or pneuma is talking about physical breath rather than spirit. The Holy Spirit is hagios pneuma in Greek, so using their reasoning, the Holy Spirit himself isn't spirit but is the "Holy Breath".
 
Here's another article regarding Seventh Day Adventists and the history regarding abortion. It involves a money trail, as the article presents, but their doctrinal position that a human being is not a real person until it becomes a "breather" by taking it's first breath after birth is a part of their reasoning behind it:

Abortion in Adventism
 
If you have ever read any of sparkmans posts, you would see it is an attack
on anything to do with sabbath keepers, [see his first sentence on this post].

yes we should hate this inncent killings, but this was not his purpose here,
it was just another post to make the sabbath keeping look bad.

By the way, you yourself told me that you think I've "lost my saltiness" implying that I had lost my salvation, over Sabbath-breaking, and a SDA told me twice that he thought I was in danger of losing my salvation as a former Sabbathkeeper.

Can you see why you guys would have earned my ire? It's obvious you guys believe salvation is tied into Sabbath-keeping.

Mainly, though, don't want you heretics to mislead anyone else. I expose your bad doctrines as much as I'm able to.
 
Here's a good page relating to the Seventh Day Adventists and abortion.

The author is one Adventist who realizes the inconsistency of the SDAs performing elective abortions in their health care facilities. Kudos to him. I don't share his conviction regarding the day he esteems but at least he sees abortion for what it is...murder in the name of convenience and materialism.

https://adventlife.wordpress.com/20...-adventists-and-abortion-by-nic-samojluk/amp/
 
sparkman heheeeee mon you have like a billion threads on this t hing???????? its even in ur avatar u seem to reaaallly hate the armstrongites and adventist and torah keepers why????????? what did they do to you???????? i know these people in real life n they are cool so chill homie