sex before marriage?

[DABEARS85]

Your right because a women would have been able to get the sentence correct.

and therefore i ADVISE you,

your a man i dont expect you to know these things, its ok

Alas, even a great man as myself, who surpasses all other men but Jesus himself in greatness, can make mistakes. I humbly apologize, and I ask with the deepest part of my being for your most gracious forgiveness in this matter! My soul feels devastated and my heart shattered at the thought of you being disappointed in the errors of my otherwise grammatical prowess, and I humbly beg with the bottom of the deepest part of my soul for you to look past this grievous error and to continue to view me with an open heart and mind. Please forgive me, or please give me a swift death, for to not have your forgiveness is beyond imagination. The very essence of my joyous rhapsodic cries echo through your approval, and if not for you, I am nothing. Please accept this apology of my mistake, and know it to be simply because of a man in a fallen world, altered from the reality God once made it.

 

[NodMyHeadLikeYeah]

Alas, even a great man as myself, who surpasses all other men but Jesus himself in greatness, can make mistakes. I humbly apologize, and I ask with the deepest part of my being for your most gracious forgiveness in this matter! My soul feels devastated and my heart shattered at the thought of you being disappointed in the errors of my otherwise grammatical prowess, and I humbly beg with the bottom of the deepest part of my soul for you to look past this grievous error and to continue to view me with an open heart and mind. Please forgive me, or please give me a swift death, for to not have your forgiveness is beyond imagination. The very essence of my joyous rhapsodic cries echo through your approval, and if not for you, I am nothing. Please accept this apology of my mistake, and know it to be simply because of a man in a fallen world, altered from the reality God once made it.

This is by far the most beautiful apology i have ever received, there for i do NOT accept. Im sure you understand

 

[DABEARS85]

This is by far the most beautiful apology i have ever received, there for i do NOT accept. Im sure you understand

You unattainable approval is only over matched by your beauty and wisdom in all things. I humbly ask for an honorable death in the matter now, as to keep my shame of disproving you from spreading.

 

[NodMyHeadLikeYeah]

You unattainable approval is only over matched by your beauty and wisdom in all things. I humbly ask for an honorable death in the matter now, as to keep my shame of disproving you from spreading.

you have three choices.

I could blast you away with a cannon
Electrocute you, as sharp so nicely pointed out you are fond of electricity
Or you could be beaten to death with a flip flop. I wouldnt recommend this method however as it could take looooooong PAINFUL hours

 

[Chris79]

So tell me, it it a sin when they don't marry?

Lightbliss, I have been instructed to communicate with you patiently, you will get your answer soon I promise.

As for Credo_ut_Intelligam, I have to reprove this one, all ERRORS will be removed from what he believes.

I bow down to Almighty Yahweh and his son Yahshua, and search for the TRUTH in the original texts themselves.

I do not follow Church tradition and Dogma, that is Christianity that redefines itself time after time, Credo_ut_Intelligam. You are with this school of thought, no?

Truth of Yahweh will always shine brighter than even centuries old Church dogma

I will be back to put this to rest...I promise

Who is my God and what's his Son's name, who can tell???

 

[lightbliss]

I'm not trying to challenge you and I do get where you're coming from. But I'm just trying to understand why you don't think premarital sex is a sin, that's all.

 

[Credo_ut_Intelligam]

I bow down to Almighty Yahweh and his son Yahshua, and search for the TRUTH in the original texts themselves… Who is my God and what's his Son's name, who can tell???

Putting on airs and spiritual grandstanding won’t erase your obvious refusal to clear revelation in regards to God’s moral prescriptions.

Talking about bowing to God while trying to argue away his moral prescriptions will always reveal the pretentious nature of one’s claims to submission.

I do not follow Church tradition and Dogma, that is Christianity that redefines itself time after time, Credo_ut_Intelligam. You are with this school of thought, no?

If you actually read my post you will see that I made no argument from “Church tradition and Dogma.” I hope that when you come back to “put this to rest,” as you promise, you’re able to deal with my actual arguments set forth from Scripture and reason and not waste time with straw-men by debunking “Church tradition and Dogma” which I never mentioned.

 

[crushed]

I'm divorced and in my 40's. Although, obviously no longer a virgin, I still hold true to the same biblical principles. As a committed Christian, I will wait and keep myself pure until I remarry. Oftentimes, that means that guys will walk away when they realize I don't "put out" but that's okay because, I'm not interested in that type of guy anyway. I'm not looking for a cheap thrill or one night stand. I have far too much self digntity and respect to consider anything else. As a side note, I have daughters who look up to me and must set a good example for.

 

[Joshua2417]

I agree with what the Bible, God and the women say. no sex tell marrage. then its not sex its maken love to your spouse and not some cheap, unemotional cheap way to get cheap pleasure that will only give you false beliefs that lead you down the wrong path. which usualy means getting pulled away from God and your walk. if you truly love someone you will wait to be bonded in marrage with them.

 

[Stand_Up_4_God]

I agree with what the Bible, God and the women say. no sex tell marrage. then its not sex its maken love to your spouse and not some cheap, unemotional cheap way to get cheap pleasure that will only give you false beliefs that lead you down the wrong path. which usualy means getting pulled away from God and your walk. if you truly love someone you will wait to be bonded in marrage with them.

Exactly what I told that guy I ended up having to end the relationship and engagement with. I told him, it should wait as the Bible clearly says to avoid sexual immorality and everything. I told him if you really do love me, then you will wait. He kept saying ''I love you, so I'll wait if you want to'' however at the same time, he wouldn't stop talking about it, how much he wanted it, etc.

Later on, I found out why and that it wasn't me he really wanted. He was messing around talking with 5 other women. ugh so sickening. Anyhow, I told him I would NOT do anything at all until I'm married. He couldn't wait, so that's one of the biggest reasons things didn't make it to marriage. It's so sad to see how many throw everything away, because they honestly believe it's okay to have premarital sex. Now what happens if you end up not marrying that person? GUILT sets in. You'll feel such regret.

It shouldn't be just for the sake of satisfying the carnal mind and the flesh, it shouldn't be some cheap ''quick fix'' or whatever else, or should be waiting for marriage, and making love to the one you make your spouse.

 

[TheKINGDOMisYOURS]

I have done bad things in my life. I regret and repent.

 

[DABEARS85]

Later on, I found out why and that it wasn't me he really wanted. He was messing around talking with 5 other women. ugh so sickening. Anyhow, I told him I would NOT do anything at all until I'm married. He couldn't wait, so that's one of the biggest reasons things didn't make it to marriage. It's so sad to see how many throw everything away, because they honestly believe it's okay to have premarital sex. Now what happens if you end up not marrying that person? GUILT sets in. You'll feel such regret.

Well, I completely understand why you want to wait... but I will also say... even real christian guys won't take it easily. Society doesn't accept it, and there are so many girls who WILL do at least... a few things.. before marriage.

To be honest... virgins scare me... alot. I am usually the one that turns girls down with the whole premarital sex thing... because I have values. I'm definitely no virgin, and I've made plenty of mistakes... and that's why (as I've stated in previous posts) I choose to do my best to not have sex before being married. The problem is, most women expect it, and if I turn them down they feel rejected and act as if I don't find them sexually attractive. That is completely wrong, but I just know how much guilt you get, and I do know that it draws you away from God in your relationship.

See, either way though, I find it a problem for a girl to straight up say "we won't do ANYTHING unless you marry me". See, a guy has no clue what the girl will even do with him ONCE they get married at that point. I'm deathly afraid of getting married, and then my wife be one of those "once a month" type girls. I would rather stay single than marry a girl just to have sex 12 times a year at most. That is ridiculous to me, but a lot of women choose that, because they KNOW the husband can't just walk away. They know they have him, and so sex is just out of the picture. It is completely selfish on her part in every single way possible, and it goes against scripture on the subject, but women don't seem to care at that point. Women only care about not having sex before marriage and use the bible as their reason, but then they go against the bible during marriage by not having sex as much as the husband wants. That is what scares me about women.

The reason I get scared of virgins are two fold: One would be... they are completely inexperienced. If I married her, I would have to do ALL of the training. That would be fine, except she doesn't even know if she likes sex. Some women simply do NOT like sex. It hurts them instead of feels good.--------inappropriate content edited----- Sex is a special thing... and I agree it should only happen within marriage... but once you are married, it should happen quite frequently. Some women use it as a reward/punishment thing, and it completely ruins it and takes away all passion and intimacy a couple can have together. If I got stuck with one of those women, I would honestly be miserable. Virgin girls simply would not know if they would be that girl or not, despite what they claim they would do with their husbands after they tie the knot.

Secondly, virgin girls who decide they like/love me enough to WANT to lose it to me, despite being married or not, just scares me. I'm no virgin, and a girl who loses something like that to me... especially at my age where it is increasingly rare on all accounts... well, if we break up she will hate me for it. That is placing far too much responsibility on my shoulders to stay with a girl, despite if we were meant to work out or not. I don't accept that type of responsibility, because it's unfair. It basically forces me to consider marriage with a girl simply because of sex. That is wrong.

As far as I think... sex before marriage was terrible way back in biblical times, because they had arranged marriages. They also all got married VERY young. Women were given away to men as early as 12 years old. They didn't really have time to grow up with the whole sexual temptation type of thing, and premarital sex was just as taboo back then as something like homosexuality is today. It just didn't happen very much.

Nowadays, in today's society, it is completely different. People wait til they are close to 30 before they get married, and to be a virgin for that long... it is almost impossible. Secondly, being a virgin at that age... it almost shows something is wrong with you over you being strong enough to withstand the temptation. It shows that you either couldn't get in a relationship, couldn't hold one, just simply have trust issues with men, or simply you are a very strong willed person. The last one is a great thing to have, but it just shows that there is probably something going on there. I'm not sure that I would want to marry a virgin myself. I am not one, and a girl that has slept with one guy (at least not a christian girl), will always wonder what it is like with someone else. I've seen this happen plenty of times. A girl will be with a guy for 5+ years, but she will cheat to experience "other men" and see what she was missing.

Maybe I just have trust issues with women, because I've seen a lot of evil ones in my day... far more evil than men could ever hope for... and so premarital sex just rotates into that trust issue with me. I do my best to not have sex with a girl before marriage, but I am prone to temptation, and they usually are the ones that push for it. Usually, I give in. I just know that a woman that refuses to do ANYTHING at all with me... and that is quite open for temptation... well, I'm not sure I would trust her to START doing things with her husband once she does get married. Also, it forces a man to want to marry the woman far earlier than he probably would have otherwise. This can lead to couples getting married strictly to experience sex to give into the temptation, but then what happens after? Your relationship outside of that may not have been developed, because you rushed into marriage to have sex. These type of things cause a lot of problems.

Either way, I agree that the bible says premarital sex is a sin. It is, but it also causes a lot of problems in today's society in relationships. Things are not even close to what they were in biblical times, and I'm pretty sure it is a LOT harder to follow through with being sinless in that area in today's world than back in ancient times. Simply put... it sucks! haha

 

[NodMyHeadLikeYeah]

SEX................

 

[DABEARS85]

Exactly what I told that guy I ended up having to end the relationship and engagement with. I told him, it should wait as the Bible clearly says to avoid sexual immorality and everything. I told him if you really do love me, then you will wait. He kept saying ''I love you, so I'll wait if you want to'' however at the same time, he wouldn't stop talking about it, how much he wanted it, etc.

No offense, but you ended an ENGAGEMENT with your fiancee simply because he talked about sex a lot? He said he loved you and would wait, but he would talk about it, correct? WHAT is wrong with this? Perhaps, he just wanted to make sure you WOULD have sex with him when he finally WAS your husband. If you turn out to be one of those "once a month if he is lucky" type of girls, I wouldn't want to be married to you either. TALKING about sex isn't a sin, and actually it shows he wanted to communicate with you about a real issue. To simply say sex has no place in your present life, let alone your future... is wrong of YOU. That shows you being selfish, because he said he would wait.

I think... whomever I get married to... if they want to wait and I loved them, I would wait. I still would talk about sex, however. It just shows you are able to communicate, and sex is definitely going to be a real issue when you are married. To talk about that when you are ENGAGED is not wrong at all, and perhaps you did HIM wrong in that respect by ending things from it. For a man to have temptation, you should expect that. I find you as wrong as him in that regard to simply end things and break his heart, just because sex was important to him. Sex IS important to men, even if they wait til marriage. Once you are married, you should expect the man to want it every single day of your life for a little while. The bible clearly states that once you are married, your body is his body and vice versa. If your husband asks for sex everyday, you should give it to him according to scripture. Would you willingly do that, when you are so afraid to even talk about sex with him when you are engaged? This is something you should think about, because scripture clearly states it is a sin if the WIFE denies her HUSBAND of sex EVER, except to pray. Even then, Paul said that the prayer should not last long, because sex is that important in a marriage.

Maybe I'm wrong here, but it sounds to me, according to your post, that you ended things simply because he talked about sex. It sounds to me like you wouldn't be able to live up to scripture once you got married, because you are so taboo against it even now. I know you said he was talking to other women too... which is wrong... but perhaps they were just friends? Also, perhaps he finally just gave up on you after you refused to even TALK about sex? You have to think about things like this. Talking about sex is not a sin, nor is it wrong when you are about to get married.

 

[Stand_Up_4_God]

If you would read everything that was said, that is not the main or only reason I ended things. He was under false beliefs, he treated me like a dog, he pressured me for sex no matter what, he cheated with FIVE other women with WITH me. There's many reasons, and I was NOT wrong in my decision. You have NO room or right to judge like that. You know nothing about me. I really could care less what you or anyone else has to say on this, cause I know what God told me to do and that was to GET OUT. I had REALLY prayed and asked God to show me what to do, and if we should marry or not, and God showed me a LOT. So you do what you want, think what you want, I could honestly care less. It doesn't change my decision, not does it make me feel guilty. I will NOT be with someone that lies about dieing,cheats,lies about many other things, is under false beliefs, is a minister of God supposedly, yet telling it's okay and not a sin to have premarital sex, and many, many other things. You don't know the details, so don't go running off talking about things you don't know about. Oh also, when I told him I wouldn't do anything before marriage, he KNEW I meant anything sexual. I made it clear to him what the boundries were.

 

[Stand_Up_4_God]

If a man can't accept that I am waiting for marriage for any sexual things, then he needs to move on, that's the morals, standards, and convictions that God put in my life and heart. premarital sex is NOT okay just because you're about to get married.

 

[redeemed7]

This thread has gotten too serious.

 

[Theygaveutheirworst]

This thread has gotten too serious.

You're going to need a better one than that, my friend. I'm afraid that it might get worse.... Christians fighting with Christians over Biblical truths. * And the devil plays his fiddle as we dance* It's a shame.

 

[Joshua2417]

The Truth is the Truth....who is to argue what God has Said and put down for us to live. if you can't handle the truth and want to do what the devil tells you to do then why bother with saying you are doing what God wants. Plus from my own past expiernce i know for the a fact that sex before marrage , ends up havin the relationship based off sex. which turns the relationship into a meaninless relationship that is hollow in the end. there is no real talking, theres jelousy an suspespession of each other because your not commited to each other so whats stopping one an another from doin it with others, an ect theres a lot of negative to having sex before marrage. though if you truly love someone you will wait because you want everything about that person and won't want to cheapin the relationship by pressuring the sex, an not cheaping the relationship

 

[jimmydiggs]

What shall we do with a drunken sailor early in the morning?