Shall we sin that grace may abound?

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God heareth not sinners. (John 9:31)
The prayers and requests of the unrepentant are unheard by God.
We are righteous because the old man was destroyed and a new creature, reborn of God, took its place. (among other things)
Wait..God heareth not sinners was said by a lost man to Pharisees..you can't take his word for it.
 
Wait..God heareth not sinners was said by a lost man to Pharisees..you can't take his word for it.
Lost ?
He had the faith to be healed, didn't he ?
How was he lost ?
Besides, we have David's take on it too..."The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity." (Ps 5:5)
Thanks to the gift of repentance from sin, we can all be ex-sinners !
 
They can't.
If their actions show that they are still bringing forth the fruit of the devil, they cannot be confused with those actually reborn of God's seed, and bringforth His fruit.
So you claim to be without sin, but have no guarantee that you will make it to the end without sinning. You claim you are sinless because the Spirit of Christ is within you, but if you stumble and sin it means that the Spirit of Christ was never in you.

Your entire existence is a contradiction. What a miserable way to live.
 
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Lost ?
He had the faith to be healed, didn't he ?
How was he lost ?
Besides, we have David's take on it too..."The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity." (Ps 5:5)
Thanks to the gift of repentance from sin, we can all be ex-sinners !
He hadn't believed in Jesus yet at the time of saying God heareth not sinners
 
How

How does someone become "unborn again?"


Why do Calvinists and OSAS believers ask this silly question? Do you guys think you're being clever and that this question can't be answered?

No one can be unborn again - but there are such things as still births and babies dying in the real world.

So also in Christianity - a Christian can fall away and their soul die from willfully departing from God who is the source of their life.


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Not OSAS or Calvinist.
All have free will, so I see no variations on that topic.
I believe that the tribulation times will precede the return of Jesus with His angels.

In Christ, there is no sin.
All who have truly repented of sin and been baptized into Christ, have put on Christ. (Gal 3:27)
There can be no sin in Him, ergo, those in Him are also sinless.


"If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask, and God will give him life—to those who commit sins that do not lead to death. There is sin that leads to death; I do not say that one should pray for that." 1 John 5:16 (ESV)

This verse shows that, yes, Christians still occasionally sin all though not often because they've submitted to the Holy Spirit who steers them in the direction of God's ways in obedience and resistance to sin.

If you really are sinless, you would believe everything the Bible says including this verse and others like it. To not believe it means you don't accept this verse whom the Holy Spirit has inspired John to write.

If God acknowledges that true Christians still sin occasionally, you should too if you are really in Him.


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They can't.
If their actions show that they are still bringing forth the fruit of the devil, they cannot be confused with those actually reborn of God's seed, and bringforth His fruit.
Read 2 Tim2:12 if we have his fruits he cannot deny himself. Also read 1 Cor: 11- having the mind of CHRIST GOD Spirit knows his spirit in us.
 
Yep...through His name...at baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. (Acts 2:38)

Water does not wash away sin. Baptism is not about washing off sin.


Baptism was practiced before the founding of the church. The Jews of ancient times would baptize proselytes to signify the converts’ “cleansed” nature. John the Baptist used baptism to prepare the way of the Lord, requiring everyone, not just Gentiles, to be baptized because everyone needs repentance. However, John’s baptism, signifying repentance, is not the same as Christian baptism, as seen in Acts 18:24–26 and 19:1–7. Christian baptism has a deeper significance.

Baptism is to be done in the name of the Father, Son, and Spirit—this is what makes it “Christian” baptism. When we are saved, we are “baptized” by the Spirit into the Body of Christ, which is the universal church. First Corinthians 12:13 says, “We were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.” Baptism by water, what is normally meant by the term Christian baptism, is a “reenactment” of the baptism by the Spirit.

Christian baptism is the means by which a person makes a public profession of faith and discipleship. In the waters of baptism, a person says, wordlessly, “I confess faith in Christ; Jesus has cleansed my soul from sin, and I now have a new life of sanctification.”
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Yes, I do it daily in the shower and anoint the portion of my mantle, the seed promise and the covenant promise of circumcision of the heart. I anoint my face with the oil of joy and gladness and get on with my day.
 
Yes, I do it daily in the shower and anoint the portion of my mantle, the seed promise and the covenant promise of circumcision of the heart. I anoint my face with the oil of joy and gladness and get on with my day.
I wash and cleans my spirit and the flesh falls into line. Seek ye first..treasures in heaven.. mind of Christ. I seek the spirit The spirit of a lowly and meek heart, take up my cross and follow. And GOD takes care of the rest. He provides spiritual first and he will also take care of your body
 
Water does not wash away sin. Baptism is not about washing off sin.


Baptism was practiced before the founding of the church. The Jews of ancient times would baptize proselytes to signify the converts’ “cleansed” nature. John the Baptist used baptism to prepare the way of the Lord, requiring everyone, not just Gentiles, to be baptized because everyone needs repentance. However, John’s baptism, signifying repentance, is not the same as Christian baptism, as seen in Acts 18:24–26 and 19:1–7. Christian baptism has a deeper significance.

Baptism is to be done in the name of the Father, Son, and Spirit—this is what makes it “Christian” baptism. When we are saved, we are “baptized” by the Spirit into the Body of Christ, which is the universal church. First Corinthians 12:13 says, “We were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.” Baptism by water, what is normally meant by the term Christian baptism, is a “reenactment” of the baptism by the Spirit.

Christian baptism is the means by which a person makes a public profession of faith and discipleship. In the waters of baptism, a person says, wordlessly, “I confess faith in Christ; Jesus has cleansed my soul from sin, and I now have a new life of sanctification.”
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Yeah, baptism 'for' the remission of sins, is like having a pill 'for' a cold. The cold is already present before the pill.

Eternal salvation is already present before the water baptism.
 
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The gifts of repentance from sin is still available for you.

Yes but many don't want to turn from sin so they play silly reformed game claiming they were born sinners and it's not possible for them to stop sinning and so they continue living in sin.

What's shocking is many of these people are proud to be living in sin. It's crazy.

The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity." (Ps 5:5)

Don't tell those following reformed theology. They'll call you names and stuff because they love them some iniquity

if you stumble and sin it means that the Spirit of Christ was never in you.

No, it means he ignored the Holy Spirit and turned away from the Lord to go do sin.
You've done that too as we all have sinned a few times after having been born again

No one can be unborn again

Sure they can. All they gotta do is deny the Lord.

2 Timothy 2:12 - If we deny Him, He also will deny us

Romans 6:16 - Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
 
So you claim to be without sin, but have no guarantee that you will make it to the end without sinning.
Right, as the temptations never stop.
You claim you are sinless because the Spirit of Christ is within you,
That is part of the reason, for sure, but other things are in place too.
I remain sinless because I want to be sinless, as it is the only way to have fellowship with God.
but if you stumble and sin it means that the Spirit of Christ was never in you.
Right, as His seed cannot bring forth liars, thieves, adulterers, or murderers.
Your entire existence is a contradiction. What a miserable way to live.
I don't see any contrdictions, as I have the choices of whether to remain faithful, or else betray my mere posing as a Chrstian.
Many false brothers proclaim Christ, only to tarnish the church, and Jesus' good name, with their vile actions.
 
the temptations never stop.

The power of the Lord never stops being more powerful then the temptation for those that continue to abide in Christ.

Many false brothers proclaim Christ, only to tarnish the church, and Jesus' good name, with their vile actions.

These people are called catholics and reformers.

They bring reproach on the Lord by claiming to the world they are Christians and then living like the devil causing many in the world to think of Jesus they way they do the easter bunnies and santy clawz - fake!
 
He hadn't believed in Jesus yet at the time of saying God heareth not sinners
John 9:33..."If this man were not of God, he could do nothing."
That was the blind man's response to the Pharisees, and the Pharisees cast him out. (v34)
The very next verse, (v35), Jesus asks "Dost thou believe on the Son of God?"

Besides the object of the "God heareth not sinners", was Jesus...not the blind man.
 
"If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask, and God will give him life—to those who commit sins that do not lead to death. There is sin that leads to death; I do not say that one should pray for that." 1 John 5:16 (ESV)

This verse shows that, yes, Christians still occasionally sin all though not often because they've submitted to the Holy Spirit who steers them in the direction of God's ways in obedience and resistance to sin.
99% obedience, equates to NOT serving God 100%.
Had anyone actuallty submitted to the Holy Spirit, he would never commit a sin.
If you really are sinless, you would believe everything the Bible says including this verse and others like it. To not believe it means you don't accept this verse whom the Holy Spirit has inspired John to write.
If my familial/national/or even supposed faith brother commits a sin, he has manifested that his repentance from sin was a lie to God.
They were not my brother in Christ, as they still brought forth the fruit of Adam.
If God acknowledges that true Christians still sin occasionally, you should too if you are really in Him.
God acknowledges that those who fall away were only posers from the start.
God's seed cannot bring forth liars, thieves, murderers, or adulterers.
 
Yes but many don't want to turn from sin so they play silly reformed game claiming they were born sinners and it's not possible for them to stop sinning and so they continue living in sin.

What's shocking is many of these people are proud to be living in sin. It's crazy.



Don't tell those following reformed theology. They'll call you names and stuff because they love them some iniquity



No, it means he ignored the Holy Spirit and turned away from the Lord to go do sin.
You've done that too as we all have sinned a few times after having been born again



Sure they can. All they gotta do is deny the Lord.

2 Timothy 2:12 - If we deny Him, He also will deny us

Romans 6:16 - Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
I don't know why you keep replying to me about what others believe. It's kinda weird.
 
Right, as the temptations never stop.

That is part of the reason, for sure, but other things are in place too.
I remain sinless because I want to be sinless, as it is the only way to have fellowship with God.

Right, as His seed cannot bring forth liars, thieves, adulterers, or murderers.

I don't see any contrdictions, as I have the choices of whether to remain faithful, or else betray my mere posing as a Chrstian.
Many false brothers proclaim Christ, only to tarnish the church, and Jesus' good name, with their vile actions.
I have assurance of eternal life, and it's not based on anything I have done or not done.
 
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