Should Christians Use Dating Apps?

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I think there's no reason to bother with it at all, if you're truly content.

Nobody has to bother with it. That's fine. And Paul doesn't say that you have to be "content" with your singleness. He says that if you're not content with it, then it might be better to marry. He also says that he, personally is content with it, but also admits that not everyone is like that.

Lust is a deadly sin.

There is a difference between general romantic and sexual desires on one hand, and lust on the other. Out lusts are for something (or someone) specific, while our sexual desires are more general. When Paul mentions people who "burn with passion," he does not accuse them of lust.

Time for a little digression on Matthew 5. I think it may help. In Matthew 5:27-28, another way to translate Jesus's words here is "Whoever looks at a woman in order to lust after her." And the word "lust" here means a passionate desire. In other parts of the New Testament it gets translated as "covet." Jesus starts this section by talking about adultery.

The seventh commandment forbids adultery, and tenth commandment forbids the thing that leads to adultery: coveting. A bit earlier in this passage in Matthew (verses 21-22) Jesus reminds his audience that murder is wrong, and then forbids the thing that leads to murder (hate) Note the symmetry. But in this section of Matthew it gets translated to "lust" for some reason. The word "woman" here also means "married woman." (though it is possible, certainly, to lust after an unmarried woman) You can't commit "adultery" if both parties are unmarried. Don't get me wrong. Lust is still a sin. But it's not always "adultery."

Jesus says that if you covet your neighbor’s wife, you’ve pretty much committed adultery with her in your heart. The issue here is coveting another man’s wife. Not noticing an attractive woman.

So verse 28 can mean something like "but I say to you that everyone who gazes intently at a woman in order to covet her has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

Or even "but I say to you that everyone who gazes intently at a married woman in order to covet her has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

And again, this involves coveting. And coveting other things only comes when you desire to take those things away from another person to own them yourself.

So it's not exactly as simple as "don't look at women."

Then what's the point with your advocacy for dating app? Or any practices to meet perfect strangers?

A dating app is a place to find someone who's potentially interesting, talk to them, and then arrange and actual first date to see if they have any potential and see how interesting they really are. It's not supposed to be complicated. At some point, every married couple were strangers to each other.

Again, nothing to do with modern dating.

What's your idea? Young betrothals? Arranged marriages? The bride price? Building an addition onto the groom's father's house? Alright, go ahead. :ROFL:

1 Cor. 6:12, 10:23.

There is no condemnation or even mention of marriage in these verses. Also, by using these verse, one could also say that "Singleness is beneficial but not always helpful." Right?

"Singleness is lawful for me, but not always helpful. Singleness is lawful for me, but not all things edify."

Did you think of that? Or does this only go one way? Remember, Paul says it's better for some people to marry. In verse 38 he also says that someone who marries "does well."

Haven't I told you that render Caesar's to Caesar, and render God's to God? I ask you again, is the government Caesar or not? I've applied this Christian principle taught by none other than the Lord himself to an inconvenient fact, that a marriage license from the government validates a marriage, a church wedding or any other ceremony does not, why can't you?

So you need a license from the government to get married. OK. And? Do you think that makes marriage evil? I also need a license from the government to hunt, to fish, to drive a car, or to fly a plane. Some people need them in order to become a lawyer or a doctor. or an electrician or a plumber. Some people need them in order to establish a restaurant. Or to operate TV or radio station.

I don't know what exactly your point is with that. Maybe you think something is evil simply because it involves government. Would it be evil for me to enter into any above professions? After all, they require that evil, worldly government license.

Besides, what was Jesus's whole point when talking about Caesar?

There's a kingdom of this world, and human rulers ("Caesar") hold power over them. But there's also another kingdom, not of this world, and Jesus is King of that. Christians are part of both kingdoms (at least for now) Under Caesar, we have certain obligations that involve material things. Under Jesus, we have other obligations that involve eternal things. If Caesar demands money, give it to him. It's just money. But make sure you also give God what He requires.

Caesar minted coins (something he he had a right to do) and he demanded some coins in return (something he also had a right to do). After all, his image was stamped on what he had made. God “minted," if you will, humanity, and He stamped His image on every person (see Genesis 1:27) So we should give Caesar his due — the temporary things of this world — but make sure to give God His due as well (see Romans 6:13)

You seem to be saying we should skip marriage because it's worldly and part of Caesar's world. Paying taxes was also worldly and part of Caesar's world. But Jesus did not command his followers to avoid paying their taxes to Caesar, did He?

Than leave yourself out of it, nothing he taught is relevant to modern dating. Do not mix the sacred with the profane.

It's relevant to the question of whether or not to marry. Which is relevant to modern dating.

Don't worry, Lovette. If you find dating and marriage "profane," that's fine, you don't have to get married. If you want stay single, that's fine. If you want to avoid marriage, you can do that. If you want to demand that every Christian in the world stay single, well, I can guess you can do that, too. Knock yourself out. Hopefully all of the world's Christians who are currently and desiring marriage will consult this Internet chat forum before taking the fateful plunge, so they can avoid that dreadful fate. :ROFL:

But those people are not required to stay single. Sorry if this confuses and upsets you so much. Oh, well. Can't help you there.
 
Nobody has to bother with it. That's fine. And Paul doesn't say that you have to be "content" with your singleness. He says that if you're not content with it, then it might be better to marry. He also says that he, personally is content with it, but also admits that not everyone is like that.
1 Cor. 6:12, 10:23.


And again, this involves coveting. And coveting other things only comes when you desire to take those things away from another person to own them yourself.

So it's not exactly as simple as "don't look at women."
You take away another person's time and freedom for the satisfaction of your desire.
A dating app is a place to find someone who's potentially interesting, talk to them, and then arrange and actual first date to see if they have any potential and see how interesting they really are. It's not supposed to be complicated. At some point, every married couple were strangers to each other.
Nope, it's a scam to harvest your data, exploit your loneliness and keep your single so you'd be perpetually subscribed to it.

What's your idea? Young betrothals? Arranged marriages? The bride price? Building an addition onto the groom's father's house? Alright, go ahead. :ROFL:
Each person has their own way, there's no one size fits all recipe - such as dating app.
There is no condemnation or even mention of marriage in these verses. Also, by using these verse, one could also say that "Singleness is beneficial but not always helpful." Right?

"Singleness is lawful for me, but not always helpful. Singleness is lawful for me, but not all things edify."

Did you think of that? Or does this only go one way? Remember, Paul says it's better for some people to marry. In verse 38 he also says that someone who marries "does well."
Remember, someone who doesn't marry does BETTER.
I don't know what exactly your point is with that.
My point is leaving Christianity out of the discussion on dating, romance and marriage, stop spiritualizing them.
You seem to be saying we should skip marriage because it's worldly and part of Caesar's world. Paying taxes was also worldly and part of Caesar's world. But Jesus did not command his followers to avoid paying their taxes to Caesar, did He?
Neither did he teach that marriage is a religious issue, you'd be rewarded with happy marriage for your devotion.
It's relevant to the question of whether or not to marry. Which is relevant to modern dating.
The relevant answer is given a million posts ago - married stay married, singles stay single, you don't you get trouble in the flesh in distressful time - like these years.
 
1 Cor. 6:12, 10:23.

:LOL:
You take away another person's time and freedom for the satisfaction of your desire.

What if the interest and attraction is mutual? Or is that sort of thing impossible on whatever strange planet you live on?

Nope, it's a scam to harvest your data, exploit your loneliness and keep your single so you'd be perpetually subscribed to it.


Have you ever used a dating app? Do you believe they zero healthy relationships and zero healthy marriages have started on dating apps? Because I know lots of married Christians who've met that way.

But, again, maybe things are different on your planet, I don't know. 🤣

Each person has their own way, there's no one size fits all recipe - such as dating app.

Their own way? Like dating apps, for instance?

Remember, someone who doesn't marry does BETTER.

Cool. And therefore, everyone is required to stay single, even though the Bible doesn't teach that.

My point is leaving Christianity out of the discussion on dating, romance and marriage, stop spiritualizing them.

No. 🤣

If you're really serious about that, then stop quoting the good things the Bible says about singleness. I don't think you will, though.

Neither did he teach that marriage is a religious issue, you'd be rewarded with happy marriage for your devotion.

Did I say that he did? No.

The relevant answer is given a million posts ago - married stay married, singles stay single, you don't you get trouble in the flesh in distressful time - like these years.

Is that all that Paul says? No. Can his nuanced teaching on celibacy or marriage be summed up that way, and that simplistically? No.

But, sure, if you prefer singleness, by all means. No one is required to marry. That's fine.
 
What if the interest and attraction is mutual? Or is that sort of thing impossible on whatever strange planet you live on?
What if that we're living in a distressful time, hard enough to make ends meet for ourselves? I don't know about you, that's the sort of planet I'm living in.
Have you ever used a dating app? Do you believe they zero healthy relationships and zero healthy marriages have started on dating apps? Because I know lots of married Christians who've met that way.

But, again, maybe things are different on your planet, I don't know. 🤣
On my planet you pray, "lead us not into temptation, deliver us from evil."


Their own way? Like dating apps, for instance?
Like respecting their privacy, in whatever way, under whatever circumstance did they meet is their own story and own business, not universal or reproducible.
Cool. And therefore, everyone is required to stay single, even though the Bible doesn't teach that.
Neither is everyone required to marry.
If you're really serious about that, then stop quoting the good things the Bible says about singleness. I don't think you will, though.
You're bearing false witness. I never quoted anything the bible had to say on dating, a modern invention that didn't exist in biblical time.
Did I say that he did? No.
Then stop treating it as such.
Is that all that Paul says? No. Can his nuanced teaching on celibacy or marriage be summed up that way, and that simplistically? No.
Yes, it can.
But, sure, if you prefer singleness, by all means. No one is required to marry. That's fine.
God's will, not yours or mine. What God joined together, let no man separate; what God did NOT join together, let no man join together either.
 
What if that we're living in a distressful time, hard enough to make ends meet for ourselves? I don't know about you, that's the sort of planet I'm living in.

Then choose to stay single. Choose singleness for yourself. Resolve to never get married, ever. You're free to do that, if you wish. Fine with me. I'm not trying to persuade you to get married.

Maybe that's how you're interpreting what I'm saying. If so, that's not what I mean.

On my planet you pray, "lead us not into temptation, deliver us from evil."

So you also believe that marriage is an evil temptation. Alright. Stay single, then.

Like respecting their privacy, in whatever way, under whatever circumstance did they meet is their own story and own business, not universal or reproducible.

OK. So it's their own business. Why do you want to convince everyone to stay single, then? Isn't that their business?

Neither is everyone required to marry.

I never said anyone was required to marry.

You're bearing false witness. I never quoted anything the bible had to say on dating, a modern invention that didn't exist in biblical time.

Just now, I mentioned singleness. And you took that to mean "dating." Huh?

Then stop treating it as such.

No, I never said that marriage is a reward for a Christian's devotion.

Yes, it can.

Sure, it can. If you completely ignore certain things Paul said as well. Maybe you prefer to read the text that way. Alright. Can't really help you there.

God's will, not yours or mine. What God joined together, let no man separate; what God did NOT join together, let no man join together either.

Are you saying that all the Christians who are currently married and getting married are people that God didn't join together? How do you know this?

Stay single if you want to, Lovette. I have no problem with that. If you want to warn every other Christian against marriage, well, go ahead. You can do that, too. If you want to judge these people, go ahead.

If people decline to heed your dire warnings, well, I wouldn't be surprised. Nor am I going to condemn those people if they do decide to get married.

But, if you view that as your God-given mission, well, knock yourself out. Hopefully all of Christendom is reading this Internet forum, so they can heed your warnings and avoid the dreadful, terrible fate of marriage. 🤣
 
My point is leaving Christianity out of the discussion on dating, romance and marriage, stop spiritualizing them.

If you're really serious about that, then stop quoting the good things the Bible says about singleness.

You're bearing false witness. I never quoted anything the bible had to say on dating, a modern invention that didn't exist in biblical time.

Hi @RodColeman , of course what you do with your time is up to you and I totally get the pull of it, lovette is a fascinating little case study lol 😆.

But the exchange I quoted above has me wondering if talking with him further is actually leading him into sin. Like, he clearly and intentionally misquoted you while accusing YOU of bearing false witness. That's a very primitive tactic and often has demonic origins. I'm not sure he's entirely in control of what he's saying 😬. I mean, he's still responsible for it but maybe I'm making sense?

Anyway, just a thought I wanted to share.

I'll be happy if he just stops asking people bizarre questions about dropping their pants 🤞😬🤞
 
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Then choose to stay single. Choose singleness for yourself. Resolve to never get married, ever. You're free to do that, if you wish. Fine with me. I'm not trying to persuade you to get married.

Maybe that's how you're interpreting what I'm saying. If so, that's not what I mean.
Once again, singleness is the default state for everyone, marriage is a conscious choice and a burden only for those who can handle it. You wanna getting married or not is one thing, whether there is anybody available, whether they wanna marry you is quite another, that is not up to you.
So you also believe that marriage is an evil temptation. Alright. Stay single, then
No, I believe modern dating, especially dating app, is an evil temptation. Not marriage.
OK. So it's their own business. Why do you want to convince everyone to stay single, then? Isn't that their business?
Except dating is not anybody's own business, it inevitably hassles another person, taking away their time, freedom and bodily autonomy for the satisfaction of your selfish desire.


I never said anyone was required to marry.
Then stop soliciting it.
Just now, I mentioned singleness. And you took that to mean "dating." Huh?
Nope, singleness is singleness, dating is dating. There's nothing biblical about dating.
No, I never said that marriage is a reward for a Christian's devotion.
Then stop soliciting it.
Sure, it can. If you completely ignore certain things Paul said as well. Maybe you prefer to read the text that way. Alright. Can't really help you there.
Would you take financial advice from a beggar? Would you take fitness advice from an overweight glutton? Would you take a driving lesson from someone who's never touched a steering wheel themselves?

Are you saying that all the Christians who are currently married and getting married are people that God didn't join together? How do you know this?

Stay single if you want to, Lovette. I have no problem with that. If you want to warn every other Christian against marriage, well, go ahead. You can do that, too. If you want to judge these people, go ahead.

If people decline to heed your dire warnings, well, I wouldn't be surprised. Nor am I going to condemn those people if they do decide to get married.

But, if you view that as your God-given mission, well, knock yourself out. Hopefully all of Christendom is reading this Internet forum, so they can heed your warnings and avoid the dreadful, terrible fate of marriage. 🤣
All I've been arguing is:

1. Married stay married, singles stay single; What God joined together, let no man separate; what God did NOT join together, let no man join together either;
2. Leaving Christianity out of the discussion on dating, romance and marriage, stop spiritualizing them;
3. Do not worship marriage as an idol, God doesn't reward devotion with happy marriage, that's false prosperity gospel.

And your points?
 
Hi @RodColeman , of course what you do with your time is up to you and I totally get the pull of it, lovette is a fascinating little case study lol 😆.

But the exchange I quoted above has me wondering if talking with him further is actually leading him into sin. Like, he clearly and intentionally misquoted you while accusing YOU of bearing false witness. That's a very primitive tactic and often has demonic origins. I'm not sure he's entirely in control of what he's saying 😬. I mean, he's still responsible for it but maybe I'm making sense?

Anyway, just a thought I wanted to share.

I'll be happy if he just stops asking people bizarre questions about dropping their pants 🤞😬🤞
What did I misquote? I only argue for singleness, and it's a hard fact that dating culture didn't exist in biblical time, it didn't exist until perhaps the boomer generation invented it. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Hi @RodColeman , of course what you do with your time is up to you and I totally get the pull of it, lovette is a fascinating little case study lol 😆.

But the exchange I quoted above has me wondering if talking with him further is actually leading him into sin. Like, he clearly and intentionally misquoted you while accusing YOU of bearing false witness. That's a very primitive tactic and often has demonic origins. I'm not sure he's entirely in control of what he's saying 😬. I mean, he's still responsible for it but maybe I'm making sense?

Anyway, just a thought I wanted to share.

I'll be happy if he just stops asking people bizarre questions about dropping their pants 🤞😬🤞
In case you still don't get it, the bible has everything to say on singleness and on marriage, but nothing on dating or anything remotely related to that. Just because you stick a Christian label on it doesn't make it Christian. Dating is not inherently good or evil, what's inherently evil is promoting it with a Christian label.
 
Hi @RodColeman , of course what you do with your time is up to you and I totally get the pull of it, lovette is a fascinating little case study lol 😆.

But the exchange I quoted above has me wondering if talking with him further is actually leading him into sin. Like, he clearly and intentionally misquoted you while accusing YOU of bearing false witness. That's a very primitive tactic and often has demonic origins. I'm not sure he's entirely in control of what he's saying 😬. I mean, he's still responsible for it but maybe I'm making sense?

Anyway, just a thought I wanted to share.

I'll be happy if he just stops asking people bizarre questions about dropping their pants 🤞😬🤞

Oh. I honestly didn't consider that. Interesting.

And, yeah, I suspect Lovette's questions will go in more and more bizarre directions. I keep wondering when to break this off, too. I know I'll have to at some point.

I have teeny-tiny sliver of hope for Lovette, and I am finding this kinda fun, but I could certainly be being naive here.
 
Oh. I honestly didn't consider that. Interesting.

And, yeah, I suspect Lovette's questions will go in more and more bizarre directions. I keep wondering when to break this off, too. I know I'll have to at some point.

I have teeny-tiny sliver of hope for Lovette, and I am finding this kinda fun, but I could certainly be being naive here.
The only thing bizarre is your determination on reading modern dating into the Holy word of God.
 
Once again, singleness is the default state for everyone, marriage is a conscious choice and a burden only for those who can handle it.

OK, but you seem to think that nobody is able to handle marriage. Do I understand you correctly on that point? Don't you believe that every Christian should stay single? Or am I misunderstanding you?

You wanna getting married or not is one thing, whether there is anybody available, whether they wanna marry you is quite another, that is not up to you.

So, is it a possibility, at least, that there might be someone out there for me to marry? because you seem to be very certain that this is an impossibility. And even if it is possible, you seem to believe that it's worth it even one bit.

No, I believe modern dating, especially dating app, is an evil temptation. Not marriage.

Alright. Believe what you want. Clearly nobody here is going to change your mind. I may disagree with you, but OK. I mean, you, personally, have no desire to marry. So I don't see any harm in you believing that, even if I don't agree with it. Oh, well.

Except dating is not anybody's own business, it inevitably hassles another person, taking away their time, freedom and bodily autonomy for the satisfaction of your selfish desire.

Huh? Usually, when people date, both people agree to go on a date, and then both people decide whether or not to go on more dates. Did you completely miss that part? That's weird.

Then stop soliciting it.

Yeah, whatever you say, boss. :ROFL:

Nope, singleness is singleness, dating is dating. There's nothing biblical about dating.

There's nothing biblical about Internet chat forums, either. :ROFL:

Then stop soliciting it.

Huh?

Would you take financial advice from a beggar? Would you take fitness advice from an overweight glutton? Would you take a driving lesson from someone who's never touched a steering wheel themselves?

Your reading of Paul's teaching completely ignores certain caveats that he included in that very teaching. I don't know why you insist on overlooking these. But I suspect that you will continue to do so. Oh, well.

All I've been arguing is:

1. Married stay married, singles stay single; What God joined together, let no man separate; what God did NOT join together, let no man join together either;
2. Leaving Christianity out of the discussion on dating, romance and marriage, stop spiritualizing them;
3. Do not worship marriage as an idol, God doesn't reward devotion with happy marriage, that's false prosperity gospel.

And your points?

My points would be that the Bible does not require single people to stay single. Your summary here is simplistic and completely ignores caveats that Paul himself included.

I would also say that there's Christian principles you can apply to dating, just like you can apply them to any other important part of modern life that the Bible doesn't directly address. And that the Bible nowhere refers to the desire for marriage as idolatrous. And that I never said that God rewards devotion with happy marriage.
 
OK, but you seem to think that nobody is able to handle marriage. Do I understand you correctly on that point? Don't you believe that every Christian should stay single? Or am I misunderstanding you?
You seem to still speaking on behalf of all, when you're only speaking on behalf of yourself.
So, is it a possibility, at least, that there might be someone out there for me to marry? because you seem to be very certain that this is an impossibility. And even if it is possible, you seem to believe that it's worth it even one bit.
It's all up to God. Man proposes, God disposes.

Huh? Usually, when people date, both people agree to go on a date, and then both people decide whether or not to go on more dates. Did you completely miss that part? That's weird.
How do you know "both" agree? Are you reading their minds? Usually dating is just a game, a stranger you meet on a dating app is using you to build their online profile, decision on whether or not to go on more date is reneged all the time. The only thing weird is speaking on behalf of all and shilling for such folly.
There's nothing biblical about Internet chat forums, either. :ROFL:
Then go in peace, stop bothering with it.
Your reading of Paul's teaching completely ignores certain caveats that he included in that very teaching. I don't know why you insist on overlooking these. But I suspect that you will continue to do so. Oh, well.
Whatever he taught, did he speak as an experienced father and husband? Or as a servant of God devoted to the ministry, with no distraction from any family life? It is you who have completely ignored that fact.
My points would be that the Bible does not require single people to stay single. Your summary here is simplistic and completely ignores caveats that Paul himself included.

I would also say that there's Christian principles you can apply to dating, just like you can apply them to any other important part of modern life that the Bible doesn't directly address. And that the Bible nowhere refers to the desire for marriage as idolatrous. And that I never said that God rewards devotion with happy marriage.
Then thin wallet, screen addiction, feminism, general uncertainty of the future, etc. require single people to stay single. You may be spared by Paul personally, but you won't be spared from the "troubles in the flesh." To apply Christian principle is to acknowledge dating as a worldly, modern and stressful activity.
 
You seem to still speaking on behalf of all, when you're only speaking on behalf of yourself.

I see that particular misunderstanding has returned. Ah, well. Whatever.

It's all up to God. Man proposes, God disposes.

What about the Christian couples who marry and enjoy happy marriages? Did God arrange those? Or was it all a dreadful mistake?

How do you know "both" agree? Are you reading their minds? Usually dating is just a game, a stranger you meet on a dating app is using you to build their online profile, decision on whether or not to go on more date is reneged all the time. The only thing weird is speaking on behalf of all and shilling for such folly.

So you view the simple concept of two people agreeing to go on a date, continuing to date, starting a relationship, getting engaged, and then getting married as something that never happens in real life? You've never seen this happen? Ever?

Geez. What planet do you live on? :ROFL:

Then go in peace, stop bothering with it.

:ROFL:

Whatever he taught, did he speak as an experienced father and husband? Or as a servant of God devoted to the ministry, with no distraction from any family life? It is you who have completely ignored that fact.

How is that relevant to what he actually wrote? This is the part where I would list all the caveats and allowances that Paul himself included. But you would completely ignore them again, I'm certain of it.

Then thin wallet, screen addiction, feminism, general uncertainty of the future, etc. require single people to stay single.

:ROFL: These are your personal reasons for staying single. For some reason, you believe these are universal rules that must be imposed an every living being on the planet (apparently, via the medium of an Internet chat forum, haha)

You may be spared by Paul personally, but you won't be spared from the "troubles in the flesh." To apply Christian principle is to acknowledge dating as a worldly, modern and stressful activity.

Would you say single people are spared from all troubles of the flesh? And if you find dating too worldly and stressful, by all means, stay single. It's your choice.
 
Oh. I honestly didn't consider that. Interesting.

And, yeah, I suspect Lovette's questions will go in more and more bizarre directions. I keep wondering when to break this off, too. I know I'll have to at some point.

I have teeny-tiny sliver of hope for Lovette, and I am finding this kinda fun, but I could certainly be being naive here.

No worries, might not even be a concern and ultimately he's responsible for himself. It definitely seems like poor comprehension is part of the issue but anyone so allergic to logic and comfortable with lying will say pretty much anything and think they are proving their point lol. It's like playing chess with a pigeon.... while you're busy strategizing the pigeon is just knocking over random pieces, then takes a dump on the board and struts off thinking he won 😑😂😆.

I do have a sliver of hope for him as well though. He might be capable of growth in very small doses. I think his previous account was even worse so maybe he's still evolving lol. If he quits it with the pants-drop talk we'll know he's actually capable of listening 😆.

His disorder is such that opposition just makes him feel more determined. Logic is irrelevant; it's all about defending so that he never has to apologize or admit he's wrong (i.e. he's terrified of being/appearing vulnerable).

Perhaps that will change one day but right now all he can handle is baby food and baby steps. 🤷‍♀️
 
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No worries, might not even be a concern and ultimately he's responsible for himself. It definitely seems like poor comprehension is part of the issue but anyone so allergic to logic and comfortable with lying will say pretty much anything and think they are proving their point lol. It's like playing chess with a pigeon.... while you're busy strategizing the pigeon is just knocking over random pieces, then takes a dump on the board and struts off thinking he won 😑😂😆.

I do have a sliver of hope for him as well though. He might be capable of growth in very small doses. I think his previous account was even worse so maybe he's still evolving lol. If he quits it with the pants-drop talk we'll know he's actually capable of listening 😆.

His disorder is such that opposition just makes him feel more determined. Logic is irrelevant; it's all about defending so that he never has to apologize or admit he's wrong (i.e. he's terrified of being/appearing vulnerable).

Perhaps that will change one day but right now all he can handle is baby food and baby steps. 🤷‍♀️

I love the pigeon analogy, that cracked me up! :ROFL:

I do sympathize, for sure, and not even in a condescending kind of way. I want to help him understand these things so badly. But, I'm only responsible for me.

We can only do so much. And it seems like we've done a lot at this point! :ROFL:
 
I see that particular misunderstanding has returned. Ah, well. Whatever.
I see your snobby habit of speaking on behalf of all has returned.
What about the Christian couples who marry and enjoy happy marriages? Did God arrange those? Or was it all a dreadful mistake?
Married stay married, singles stay single.
So you view the simple concept of two people agreeing to go on a date, continuing to date, starting a relationship, getting engaged, and then getting married as something that never happens in real life? You've never seen this happen? Ever?

Geez. What planet do you live on? :ROFL:
In reality, while you in a fairytale.
How is that relevant to what he actually wrote? This is the part where I would list all the caveats and allowances that Paul himself included. But you would completely ignore them again, I'm certain of it.
It's utmost relevant. Paul spoke as a single man, not married man, he had his entire life in singleness, not in marriage life. It is you who ignored that fact, not me.
:ROFL: These are your personal reasons for staying single. For some reason, you believe these are universal rules that must be imposed an every living being on the planet (apparently, via the medium of an Internet chat forum, haha)
And what are your personal reasons? Who gave you the right to hassle other decent human beings to satisfy your own carnal desire?
Would you say single people are spared from all troubles of the flesh? And if you find dating too worldly and stressful, by all means, stay single. It's your choice.
No, singleness is the default status, dating is a conscious choice.
 
I see your snobby habit of speaking on behalf of all has returned.

I was right. :ROFL:

Married stay married, singles stay single.

Come on, Lovette. You have to read the entire chapter. I know you can do it. I believe in you! :ROFL:

In reality, while you in a fairytale.

People only get married in fairytales? :ROFL:

It's utmost relevant. Paul spoke as a single man, not married man, he had his entire life in singleness, not in marriage life. It is you who ignored that fact, not me.

You ignored his caveats again. Just like I knew you would. Incredible.

And what are your personal reasons? Who gave you the right to hassle other decent human beings to satisfy your own carnal desire?

Is that how you view the concept of two people agreeing to go on a first date, agreeing to go on more dates, and then deciding to begin a dating relationship. And then, potentially, getting engaged, and agreeing to marry? Your world and your mind is a truly fascinating place.

No, singleness is the default status, dating is a conscious choice.

It's also apparently, one of the most terrible choices anyone could ever make. :ROFL: