SO MANY FALSE PASTORS TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!

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Beckie

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Its not about becoming rich. its about having enough. Stop been Jealous of Kenneths wealth, that is been in the flesh and you die if your in the flesh. Be in the spirit.
it is not jealousy of Copland's wealth that upsets me it's perversions he and his kind do to the gospel of The Blood of Jesus. He is a Judas , selling out the gospel
 

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I didn't see Curry Blake's name mentioned. He's been flying beneath the radar for awhile now. He's claimed he can heal AIDS, cancer, and can raise people from the dead. If that's true, why has hardly anyone heard of him?

Blake is carrying on the ministry of the late John G. Lake, known conman and fraud.

https://disntr.com/2022/08/03/false-teacher-of-the-day-50-curry-blake/
 

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Well as far as most Christians are concerned Five Point Calvinism is the heresy. You will find Calvin's commentaries contradicting that nonsense. But then he made a 180 degree turn.
I don't know where you found this information, but I don't find that to be true.
 

Nehemiah6

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I don't know where you found this information, but I don't find that to be true.
All you have to do is carefully study Calvin's commentaries on Bible Hub and then compare them with Five Point Calvinism. I have done my research, so now you should do yours.
 

Nehemiah6

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Why didn’t I address Calvinists? Because Calvinists are of the monergistic minority, you won’t find any in the OP’s article or taking part in any such heresies.
Five Point Calvinism itself is a MAJOR HERESY. So let's hear it from John Calvin himself who first presents Bible truth, then immediately contradicts:

CALVIN'S COMMENTARY ON JOHN 3:16 (BIBLE HUB) -- FIRST PRESENTS GOSPEL TRUTH
16. For God so loved the world. Christ opens up the first cause, and, as it were, the source of our salvation, and he does so, that no doubt may remain; for our minds cannot find calm repose, until we arrive at the unmerited love of God. As the whole matter of our salvation must not be sought any where else than in Christ, so we must see whence Christ came to us, and why he was offered to be our Savior. Both points are distinctly stated to us: namely, that faith in Christ brings life to all, and that Christ brought life, because the Heavenly Father loves the human race, and wishes that they should not perish...

He gave his only-begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him may not perish. This, he says, is the proper look of faith, to be fixed on Christ, in whom it beholds the breast of God filled with love: this is a firm and enduring support, to rely on the death of Christ as the only pledge of that love...

That whosoever believeth on him may not perish. It is a remarkable commendation of faith, that it frees us from everlasting destruction. For he intended expressly to state that, though we appear to have been born to death, undoubted deliverance is offered to us by the faith of Christ; and, therefore, that we ought not to fear death, which otherwise hangs over us. And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found in the world that is worthy of the favor of God, yet he shows himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when he invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life.

CALVIN'S COMMENTARY THEN CONTRADICTS GOSPEL TRUTH
Let us remember, on the other hand, that while life is promised universally to all who believe in Christ, still faith is not common to all. For Christ is made known and held out to the view of all, but the elect alone are they whose eyes God opens, that they may seek him by faith...
 

Nehemiah6

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It's a well-known fact that people call their opinion fact to end discussion. You've succeeded. Have a blessed day!
Putting a red x on facts shows WILLFUL BLINDNNESS. And that is your problem. And there is no hope for those who are willfully blind.
 

Beckie

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Five Point Calvinism itself is a MAJOR HERESY. So let's hear it from John Calvin himself who first presents Bible truth, then immediately contradicts:

CALVIN'S COMMENTARY ON JOHN 3:16 (BIBLE HUB) -- FIRST PRESENTS GOSPEL TRUTH
16. For God so loved the world. Christ opens up the first cause, and, as it were, the source of our salvation, and he does so, that no doubt may remain; for our minds cannot find calm repose, until we arrive at the unmerited love of God. As the whole matter of our salvation must not be sought any where else than in Christ, so we must see whence Christ came to us, and why he was offered to be our Savior. Both points are distinctly stated to us: namely, that faith in Christ brings life to all, and that Christ brought life, because the Heavenly Father loves the human race, and wishes that they should not perish...

He gave his only-begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him may not perish. This, he says, is the proper look of faith, to be fixed on Christ, in whom it beholds the breast of God filled with love: this is a firm and enduring support, to rely on the death of Christ as the only pledge of that love...

That whosoever believeth on him may not perish. It is a remarkable commendation of faith, that it frees us from everlasting destruction. For he intended expressly to state that, though we appear to have been born to death, undoubted deliverance is offered to us by the faith of Christ; and, therefore, that we ought not to fear death, which otherwise hangs over us. And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found in the world that is worthy of the favor of God, yet he shows himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when he invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life.

CALVIN'S COMMENTARY THEN CONTRADICTS GOSPEL TRUTH
Let us remember, on the other hand, that while life is promised universally to all who believe in Christ, still faith is not common to all. For Christ is made known and held out to the view of all, but the elect alone are they whose eyes God opens, that they may seek him by faith...
You have said this often so i decided to look up what Calvin said He said a lot more then you posted.
 

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Today we’ll hear from John Calvin (1509–1564) on John 3:16.

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.” - John 3:16

For God so loved the world. Christ reveals the first cause and, as it were, the source of our salvation in a way that leaves no room for uncertainty, for our minds cannot find rest until we embrace God’s unmerited love. Just as the entire basis of our salvation must not be looked for anywhere other than in Christ, so we must see where Christ came from and why he was offered to be our Saviour. Both these points are distinctly stated here. For faith in Christ brings life to everyone; and
Christ brought life because the Heavenly Father loves the human race and wishes that they should not perish.

For faith in Christ brings life to everyone; and Christ brought life because the Heavenly Father loves the human race and wishes that they should not perish.​
This order should be noted carefully, for our nature is so wickedly ambitious that when the question about the origin of our salvation arises, we quickly imagine diabolical things about our own merits. So we imagine that God is reconciled to us because he has thought that we are worthy to be looked on by him. But everywhere in Scripture God’s pure and simple mercy is extolled, which
sets to one side all merits.

Christ’s words mean nothing else when he declares God’s love to be the basis for our salvation. If we want to go any higher, the Spirit stops us through Paul’s writing when he tells us that this love was founded “in accordance with his pleasure and will” (Ephesians 1:5). Indeed, it is clear that Christ spoke like this in order to stop people from thinking about themselves, in favor of looking to God’s mercy alone. The evangelist does not say that God was moved to deliver us because he saw something
in us which deserved such an excellent blessing; rather, he ascribes the glory of our deliverance entirely to his love.

This is even clearer from what follows; for he adds that God gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. So it follows that until Christ set about rescuing the lost, everyone was destined for eternal destruction. Paul also declares this by pointing out the order in which the events happened: “God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8; see also Romans 5:10). For where sin reigns, we find nothing other than God’s wrath, which brings death in its train.

Therefore, it is mercy that reconciles us to God, so that he may also restore us to life.


John
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This Crossway Classic Commentary encapsulates the basics of the faith, including Christ's nature and the profound meaning of his presence and work on earth.
This way of speaking, however, may seem to be different from many passages of Scripture which attribute to Christ the first foundation of God’s love for us and show that outside Christ we are detested by God.

But we ought to remember, as I have already said, that the Heavenly Father’s secret love which embraced us is the first love given to us. However, the grace which he desires us to know, and through which we are stirred up to know the hope of our salvation, begins with the reconciliation which was won through Christ. Since Christ must hate sin, how can we believe that we are loved by him until atonement has been made for those sins which rightly cause offense in Christ’s sight? So Christ’s love must intervene in order to reconcile us to God before we can experience God’s fatherly kindness. Just as we are told, first of all, that God gave his Son to die for us because he loved us, so it is immediately added that our faith should, strictly speaking, look on Christ alone.

This article was adapted from John Calvin’s commentary on John, part of the Crossway Classic Commentaries series edited by Alister McGrath and J. I. Packer.
 

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You have said this often so i decided to look up what Calvin said He said a lot more then you posted.
Of course. I posted selectively to make a point. And I proved my point. I could also do that with other passages. So do you support his Five Point Calvinism? If not then why bring it up?
 

Beckie

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Of course. I posted selectively to make a point. And I proved my point. I could also do that with other passages. So do you support his Five Point Calvinism? If not then why bring it up?
Simply because it is not fair to post selectively to make a point.
That is the most of Calvin's work i have ever read. So i do not know if i fully support the 5 .
 

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Simply because it is not fair to post selectively to make a point.
That is the most of Calvin's work i have ever read. So i do not know if i fully support the 5 .
@Nehemiah6 is a 4 point Arminian. Arminians understandably hate all things “Calvin”.

They also hate it when you point out their synergistic soteriology, which is also understandable. Why? Because modern day Catholicism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Mormonism, Jehovah Witnesses, Luciferianism and all liberal “Christian” denominations are “synergistic”.

Synergism is the common denominator in all false religions, all apostate “Christian” churches[.]
 

Beckie

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@Nehemiah6 is a 4 point Arminian. Arminians understandably hate all things “Calvin”.

They also hate it when you point out their synergistic soteriology, which is also understandable. Why? Because modern day Catholicism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Mormonism, Jehovah Witnesses, Luciferianism and all liberal “Christian” denominations are “synergistic”.

Synergism is the common denominator in all false religions, all apostate “Christian” churches[.]
I do know i a thankful my Salvation does not depend on me the sinner saved by Grace