Protestant Christianity is another form of the RCC , the daughters of her you could say . I’m not interested in their religion it’s mainly doctrines of men . I have heard most of it and I go with the Bible . End of discussion for me .
Some thoughts on the Sabbath...
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broad statements are worthless:
"the very best commandment the greatest commandment which is to love God and love thy neighbor the fulfills the law ---
that tells us nothing
please give us the exact way or ways we show, demonstrate love towards God and man? How is is it done? how does Christ expect each of us to do so, if it different for each person
and a definition of love would be helpful.
"I love Jesus", I have no clue what is on the mind of a person that makes a statement like this one,
Even the common "faith in God" can mean something different to each person
broad statements are just words hooked together is ways that seem nice -- seem to make sense.
Yes the Law is for that reason to school people, and Jesus went even deeper into the law when he taught . For example if you look upon a women and lust in your heart you have committed Adultery already in your heart . Jesus was very serious about the law . How about is it right to do good or evil on the Sabbath? It is more than just the letter of the word . The Sabbath day is inexcusable, it’s the Lords day and it was very well explained many times . Can one imagine Jesus saying oh don’t worry I’m going to fulfill the law and abolish it and you will not need to take it seriously any more it’s a free gift of eternal life with no responsibilities. Ya right hardly !
Im not playing your game, I know your belief better than you. Take it or leave it at your own peril.
Your view reflects your understanding, it is small and many miles behind mine. You have a lot to learn before we can engage in meaningfull dialog.
Is the Sabbath still in effect the 7th day of the week ?
Matthew 24v 20 and pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the SABBATH.
This verse first spoke to me about the Sabbath being still in effect way in the future according to Jesus . Just prior to the great tribulation.
Also John in Revelation 1v10 said he was in the Spirit on the Lords day . We all should know as they did that’s the Sabbath.
Isaiah 66 v23,24
And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another ALL flesh shall come to worship before me Says the LORD .
( that has not happened ever in the past but will in the future! Also one to another that’s not a Sabbath perpetually, but a 7th day to 7th day according to the Law .
A few things to consider
Matthew 24v 20 and pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the SABBATH.
This verse first spoke to me about the Sabbath being still in effect way in the future according to Jesus . Just prior to the great tribulation.
Also John in Revelation 1v10 said he was in the Spirit on the Lords day . We all should know as they did that’s the Sabbath.
Isaiah 66 v23,24
And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another ALL flesh shall come to worship before me Says the LORD .
( that has not happened ever in the past but will in the future! Also one to another that’s not a Sabbath perpetually, but a 7th day to 7th day according to the Law .
A few things to consider
Jesus died on the cross on a Friday before the Sabbath, and was in the tomb before the Sabbath started . Then on the Sabbath nothing happened physically according to the NT . Why ? Because it’s still in effect. God could have raised Jesus on the Sabbath if he chose to , but why did he wait to raise Jesus after the Sabbath? I think it’s self explanatory, but few consider it . The scriptures never call the first day of the week the Lords day , but God set an example of not working on his Sabbath day , I’m sure there is more to it as well . Notice it was not 3 full days Jesus was dead , just the Sabbath day was 24 hrs the other 2 only partially. For the purpose of the Sabbath as I see it . A few thoughts to consider!Amen
Thank BBerean for noticing the Matt 24:20 scripture about the sabbath and the Revelation 1 verse about how John was in the spirit on the Lord's Day.
The Lord's Day in Revelation 1 is probably referring to the Day of the Lord, such as is talked about in Malachi 4. This is a time when the proud are burned up and those who fear his name arise with healing in his wings. Note that John turned and looked behind him to get the messages for the church, and this was from his position of the Lord's Day, so he's looking back into the church age if you will. Possibly, then, this Lord's Day is a time at the end of the church age. This is also likely to be the time referred to as the Sabbath in Matt 24. The flight mentioned is necessary before the Lord's Day, the Day of the Lord, before the Sabbath, because the flight mentioned is addressing how true believers come out of the fallen congregations or ideologies before the judgment takes effect. The judgment takes effect on the Sabbath, which is said to be the time of great tribulation. As with any sabbath, this end time period is not talking about a ritual of going to a building on a certain day, but about being saved versus being unsaved.
Your promoting the written law given to Israel at Mt Sinai.
You were never a member of that covenant (Exodus 24).
Who told you that you were a member of that covenant and your under that law?
That's not what Paul taught the Gentiles in the N.T.
Romans 6:14
For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
Romans 6:15
What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!
That’s a different take , but I see the Day of the Lord and the Lords day as two separate events . But there could be a connection as well . The Lord considers his day Holy and sacred, and those that disrespect it may face the Day of the Lord of judgement. If you read in Isaiah chapter 66 near the end of the chapter it’s terrible for those that transgress the Lord by not respecting his Day .
Your response indicates you are not able to refute logical questions or respond to basic questions, basic doctrinal concepts.
If your understanding is so broad why can you not even explain "Agape" which is the word describing God's Love, the love Christ has for the few the Father calls to follow Him?
I reject the catholic doctrines of the 45,000 flavors of Confusion 100 percent and all the other doctrines that came from pagan religions.
1 Peter 4 v 13 - 19
Verse 17 For the time is come that judgement must begin at the house of God : and if first begin at us , what shall be the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God ? And if the righteous scarcely be saved , where shall the ungodly and sinner appear ?
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom . The psalmist said .
I don't think that obedience to a codified law in a legal system given to Israel only, could be optional
for a citizen of another country?
Was that codified sabbath law (Exodus 20) only given to Israel?
Exodus 31:16-17
Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the sabbath, observing the sabbath throughout their generations, as a
perpetual covenant. It is a sign for ever between me and the people of Israel.
The text in Exodus states in no uncertain terms that the codified sabbath law was given to Israel only.
I cannot see any possibility of imposing a codified sabbath law on any citizen of another country.
It is not difficult to read.
Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the sabbath, observing the sabbath throughout their generations, as a
perpetual covenant. It is a sign for ever between me and the people of Israel.
Observing the sabbath throughout their generations, as a perpetual covenant.
I see no option available for a Gentile to place themselves under a codified law in a covenant,
between Israel and God.
legion,
one more question, do you think it could be important to understand how the Father and Christ want to be loved?
is just any old type or kind of love fine with God?
the older I get the more I must understand the details, the fine points -- I have found they are very important.
in contracts it is in the fine print, with God it is --- we must DO the Will of the Father as Christ did.
Original protestant religion was all about bible truth. Solascripture.
Every protestant believed the antichrist was the papacy.
The truth has not changed. The papacy has not changed. But Protestantism has gone back to the mother church. So sad.
200 yrs ago many left Protestant churches for similar reasons , it seems people eventually realize it by reading the Bible for themselves something is not right . There will always be those that seek the truth even until the last day . But I think they are often a small minority. I have found listening to Jesus in the gospels , he is truly the master of the scriptures and has been the key for me .
If thou turn away thy foot from the Sabbath,from doing thy pleasure on MY HOLY DAY and call the sabbath a delight , the holy of the LORD , honourable; and shalt honour him , not doing thine own ways , nor finding thine own pleasures, nor speaking thine own words . Isaiah 58 v 13 it’s very clear the Lord is calling the Sabbath his Holy Day . This is the clearest among others I have read .
Sunday is never called the Lords day in the scriptures. Jesus rose on the first day of the week to avoid the Sabbath. Many things the disciples did on Sunday to avoid breaking the Sabbath. Like travel , collection and distribution ,The disciples broke bread on the first day of the week and actually every day so that is not the Lords day since they broke bread every day and as often as you chose could be more than once everyday if they desired, like prayer there is no limit on it . The Lords day was acknowledged by Apostle John and it’s the Sabbath. Jesus was raised on the first day that’s great To think to remember the day of his resurrection, ( breaking of bread is a great way to do that ) but that is not the Lords Day . The Sabbath never ceases. If so show in the scriptures that it does , and that Sunday is the Lords day , not found in the faith once given to the saints . RCC and other religions have tried to change things but the Bible corrects the errors See 2 Timothy 3.16 . It proves truth in all things . Get to know the scriptures that are able to make you wise unto Salvation.
Sunday is never called the Lords day in the scriptures. Jesus rose on the first day of the week to avoid the Sabbath. Many things the disciples did on Sunday to avoid breaking the Sabbath. Like travel , collection and distribution ,The disciples broke bread on the first day of the week and actually every day so that is not the Lords day since they broke bread every day and as often as you chose could be more than once everyday if they desired, like prayer there is no limit on it . The Lords day was acknowledged by Apostle John and it’s the Sabbath. Jesus was raised on the first day that’s great To think to remember the day of his resurrection, ( breaking of bread is a great way to do that ) but that is not the Lords Day . The Sabbath never ceases. If so show in the scriptures that it does , and that Sunday is the Lords day , not found in the faith once given to the saints . RCC and other religions have tried to change things but the Bible corrects the errors See 2 Timothy 3.16 . It proves truth in all things . Get to know the scriptures that are able to make you wise unto Salvation.