Some thoughts on the Sabbath...

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An interesting verse Genesis 26v 4,5

And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed . Because that Abraham obeyed my voice , and kept my charge , my commandments, my statues, and my laws .

And there we have it folks , Gods testimony. Amen and God bless as you seek truth and find it .
 
In Matthew 5:17-19, Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law in contrast with saying that he came not to abolish it and he warned against relaxing the least part of it, so you should not interpret fulfilling it as meaning the same thing as abolishing it or as relaxing even the least part of it.


Sin is what is contrary to God's character traits, such as with unrighteousness being sin, and sin is the transgression of the Mosaic Law because it was given in order to teach us how to know God through embodying His character traits. Anyone who wants to know God should follow His instructions for how to do that regardless of whether or not they are obligated to do so.


The fact that Jesus gave himself to pay the penalty for our sin should make us want to go and sin no more by living in obedience to the Mosaic Law.


God wanted His children to repent and to return to obedience to the Mosaic Law all throughout the Bible and even Christ began his ministry with that Gospel message (Matthew 4:15-23), so it would be absurd to interpret that verses as Paul warning us against obeying God and warning that we will be cut of from Christ if we repent and believe the Gospel of Christ. The position that we should obey the Law of Moses is not the position that we should obey it in order to become justified or the position that we should obey works of the law in order to become justified. The fact that we can't earn our justification even as the result of having perfect obedience to what God has commanded does not mean that we are not obligated to obey what God has commanded.
Were the Gentile nations in a blood covenant to obey the Mosaic law?

Or was Israel in a blood covenant to obey all that God's spoke at Mt Sinai (Exodus 24)?
 
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So, where is your conclusion?
What is the point of your post?
Romans 9:3-5
For I could wish that I myself were accursed, separated from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen
according to the flesh, who are Israelites, to whom belongs the adoption as sons, and the glory and the covenants
and the giving of the Law and the temple service and the promises, whose are the fathers, and from whom is
the Christ according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.

Romans 11:13-14
But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,
if somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen and save some of them.

The former covenant (the law) was between Israel and God the Gentiles were not members of that covenant.

Romans is Paul explaining to the Jews in Rome why they failed to achieve the righteousness that God requires,
under the law, a perfect righteousness. In fact, Israel did the opposite.

Romans 2
For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,”

Israel was clearly in covenant to obey the law (Exodus 24).

Where does the scripture say that the Gentile nations are in a covenant to obey the law?
 
Actually BBrean, Christ rose on the Sabbath just before the sun set, after 3 days and 3 nights

God ends and begins what we call days (24 hours) at sunset. 12 hour days and 12 hour nights

our Wednesday night - night 1: put in the tomb moments before sun set began the first day of the feast of unleavened bread which is a high day a High Sabbath which follows Passover. Passover is on the 14th and the the 15th begins the 7 day feast of unleavened bread at sunset which is why they had to get Christ in the tomb.
our Thursday day - day 1
our Thursday night - night 2
our Friday - day 2
our Friday - night 3
our Saturday - day 3

According to Christ there are 12 hours in a day, 3 days is 36 hours plus 3 nights also 36 hours

Every important event in the Life of Christ has and will occurred on the Day made Holy for that purpose
There is no happenstance with God; Christ will return on the exact day of the exact month set aside for that purpose before creation.

the first day of the week was never made Holy or set aside for Holy use.

Christ was baptized on the Feast of first fruits also called Pentecost. Remember the Holy Spirit was given to the 120 on the Feast of Pentecost.
Where in Leviticus 23 is the first day of Unleavened Bread called a "high sabbath"?
 
I don't think there are many literal Jews left in the world. I do not like what the Talmud teaches, and I could not be a literal Jew.

But to be part of God's family we are referred to as the Children of Abraham.

Not by blood line or literally but by our inward choice.

Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Rom 9:7-8
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

The Children of Promise are counted for the seed..

Gal 3:6-8
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

They which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Gal 3:14-16
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Christ is what it was all about...

Gal 3:26-29
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

We are heirs according to the Promise.
By Christ we are the seed of Abraham.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:


make with the house of Israel

Will make with the house of Israel

The Israel of God.
Gal 6:15-16
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. 16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

It is not possible to have 144000 literal Jews of pure blood line today. Even if the number is symbolic.. God has His Israelites today and they are not people that do not believe in Jesus.

But Spiritual Jews .... yes.
Amen, you have brought Gods Word for all to see with clarity and discernment.
 
Romans 9:3-5
For I could wish that I myself were accursed, separated from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen
according to the flesh, who are Israelites, to whom belongs the adoption as sons, and the glory and the covenants
and the giving of the Law and the temple service and the promises, whose are the fathers, and from whom is
the Christ according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.

Romans 11:13-14
But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,
if somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen and save some of them.

The former covenant (the law) was between Israel and God the Gentiles were not members of that covenant.

Romans is Paul explaining to the Jews in Rome why they failed to achieve the righteousness that God requires,
under the law, a perfect righteousness. In fact, Israel did the opposite.

Romans 2
For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,”

Israel was clearly in covenant to obey the law (Exodus 24).

Where does the scripture say that the Gentile nations are in a covenant to obey the law?

I think you lost track of my point, which was that Romans 1-4 indicates that Gentile believers may be viewed as true or spiritual Jews and children of Abraham, NOT that they were "in a covenant to obey the law". You asked for the verses, and they are Rom. 2:28-29 and 4:16-18.

Regarding whom Paul addressed in Romans, they included both Jewish and Gentile Christians per Rom. 1:5-7&14-16.
Rom. 2:17-27 is addressed primarily to Jews, and Rom. 3:1-2, 9-10 & 29-30 indicate that Paul has all sinners in mind.
Rom. 9:3-8 and 10:1-4 indicate that Paul has both his physical Jewish brethren and his spiritual Jewish brethren
(which includes justified Gentiles) in mind.

Over...
 
Please define "Holy."

Where in Leviticus 23 is the first day of Unleavened Bread called a "high sabbath"?

It is not, it is a commanded convocation just like the 7th Day but in John 19 it is called a High Day

31 The Jews therefore, because it was {5625;2258:5713} the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day, ) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and [that] they might be taken away.

the 7 Holy Feast of God are High Sabbaths, not 7th day
 
"Holy" in the Bible means set apart, removed from the common and dedicated solely to YHWH.
Oh, I knew what it actually meant, I was hoping you could relate "set apart" to "Sabbath" so I could understand your use and interpretation of "set apart."

What does "set apart" mean in context of the Sabbath?
 
Genesis 2 v 3 And God blessed the seventh day , and sanctified it ;

Look up the words blessed and sanctified, then you will understand better the Sabbath, but use multiple sources some are vague, verify and verify!
 
Oh, I knew what it actually meant, I was hoping you could relate "set apart" to "Sabbath" so I could understand your use and interpretation of "set apart."

What does "set apart" mean in context of the Sabbath?
"Set apart" can refer to the day itself. For six days a man is to work to support himself and his family. He is to eat, "At he sweat of his brow." On the seventh day, the day "Set Apart" for God, he is to rest. It is a day for him to acknowledge his faith in God's provision, to recognize and celebrate God's grace in providing for his needs.

I suppose there is also a physical "Set Apart" for the man himself, distinguishing himself as a child of YHWH and seperating himself from the chaos of the world.

Other than this I am not sure what you are asking. Let me know if I am missing something, I frequently do!
 
"Set apart" can refer to the day itself. For six days a man is to work to support himself and his family. He is to eat, "At he sweat of his brow." On the seventh day, the day "Set Apart" for God, he is to rest. It is a day for him to acknowledge his faith in God's provision, to recognize and celebrate God's grace in providing for his needs.

I suppose there is also a physical "Set Apart" for the man himself, distinguishing himself as a child of YHWH and seperating himself from the chaos of the world.

Other than this I am not sure what you are asking. Let me know if I am missing something, I frequently do!
"Set apart" is used to describe something that has purpose, reserved to fulfill a need or design.

There are different mindsets on what "holy" means... I was just verifying what you stated on what you see a key word as meaning.

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I think you lost track of my point, which was that Romans 1-4 indicates that Gentile believers may be viewed as true or spiritual Jews and children of Abraham, NOT that they were "in a covenant to obey the law". You asked for the verses, and they are Rom. 2:28-29 and 4:16-18.

Regarding whom Paul addressed in Romans, they included both Jewish and Gentile Christians per Rom. 1:5-7&14-16.
Rom. 2:17-27 is addressed primarily to Jews, and Rom. 3:1-2, 9-10 & 29-30 indicate that Paul has all sinners in mind.
Rom. 9:3-8 and 10:1-4 indicate that Paul has both his physical Jewish brethren and his spiritual Jewish brethren
(which includes justified Gentiles) in mind.

Over...
I used Romans 9 and Romans 11, because that is what Paul was talking about in chapter 2-4.

Have a read of AI's summary of chapters 2 to 4.

Romans Chapter 2: Directly Addressing the Jews
  • Direct Address: In 2:17, Paul directly addresses the Jewish person: "But if you call yourself a Jew and rely on the law and boast in God...".
  • The Content: He confronts them for being hypocritical judges (2:1-3) and highlights their false confidence in circumcision (2:25-29) and possession of the Law (2:17-24).
  • Mentioning Gentiles: He contrasts the disobedient Jew with the Gentile who does not have the law but sometimes acts righteously, stating that Gentiles, by nature, do what the law requires (2:14-15). He concludes that God will judge all people, "the Jew first and also the Greek" (2:9-10).
Romans Chapter 3: A Shared Plight
  • Direct Address: Paul uses "we" in 3:9 to include himself in the Jewish context: "What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin".
  • Content: He argues that the Law does not save but rather makes sin known (3:20).
  • Mentioning Gentiles: He pivots to state that justification is now revealed apart from the law, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (3:23). He clarifies that God is the God of both Jews and Gentiles (3:29-30).
Romans Chapter 4: The Inclusion of Gentiles
  • Direct Address: He addresses the Jewish, familial connection to Abraham, calling him "our forefather according to the flesh" (4:1).
  • Content: He uses Abraham to show that faith, not works or circumcision, was the basis of righteousness (4:9-12).
  • Mentioning Gentiles: He argues that Abraham's faith makes him the father of "all who believe without being circumcised" (Gentiles) so that righteousness might be counted to them as well (4:11-12, 16-17).
Summary
Throughout these chapters, Paul speaks directly to the Jews regarding their boasting in the Law and circumcision (2:17, 3:1), but uses the "Gentiles" as the counter-example to demonstrate that salvation is by faith alone (4:11) and that "no difference" exists between them regarding their need for grace (3:22).
 
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It is not, it is a commanded convocation just like the 7th Day but in John 19 it is called a High Day

31 The Jews therefore, because it was {5625;2258:5713} the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day, ) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and [that] they might be taken away.

the 7 Holy Feast of God are High Sabbaths, not 7th day
Leviticus 23 only mentions two specific days that are practiced as a sabbath day.

The seventh day and the day of atonement.

Both carry a death penalty and both are a complete rest not a partial rest, not a rest from laborious work.

Leviticus 23:28-30...32
You shall not do any work on this same day, for it is a day of atonement, to make atonement on your behalf before
the Lord your God. If there is any person who will not humble himself on this same day, he shall be cut off from
his people. As for any person who does any work on this same day, that person I will destroy from among his people...
It is to be a sabbath of complete rest to you.

The other six feasts are not recognized as a sabbath day rest.

A partial rest and a convocation on any day is not a sabbath rest day.
 
Where in Leviticus 23 is the first day of Unleavened Bread called a "high sabbath"?
Jesus rose on the third day not after the third day.

Key Verses Stating Resurrection on the Third Day:
  • Matthew 16:21, 17:23, 20:19: Jesus predicts he will be raised on the third day.
  • Mark 9:31, 10:34: Jesus predicts he will rise on the third day.
  • Luke 9:22, 18:33, 24:7, 24:46: Jesus predicts and later confirms his resurrection on the third day.
  • 1 Corinthians 15:4: Paul states Christ "was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures".
  • Acts 10:40: Peter testifies that "God raised him up on the third day".
Not after three days and nights which is a fourth day resurrection.
 
It is not, it is a commanded convocation just like the 7th Day but in John 19 it is called a High Day

31 The Jews therefore, because it was {5625;2258:5713} the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day, ) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and [that] they might be taken away.

the 7 Holy Feast of God are High Sabbaths, not 7th day
There are six feast days that are not conducted as a sabbath day rest.

Only the seventh day and the day of atonement are complete sabbath rest days.

Only the seventh day and the day of atonement carry a death penealty.

The other six feasts are partial rest days not complete rest days, you can gather sticks on those six feasts, and
you can cook on those days.

Your confusing any day that is a holy convocation with a sabbath day holy convocation.

That's what Leviticus 23 states.
 
I used Romans 9 and Romans 11, because that is what Paul was talking about in chapter 2-4.

Have a read of AI's summary of chapters 2 to 4.

Romans Chapter 2: Directly Addressing the Jews
  • Direct Address: In 2:17, Paul directly addresses the Jewish person: "But if you call yourself a Jew and rely on the law and boast in God...".
  • The Content: He confronts them for being hypocritical judges (2:1-3) and highlights their false confidence in circumcision (2:25-29) and possession of the Law (2:17-24).
  • Mentioning Gentiles: He contrasts the disobedient Jew with the Gentile who does not have the law but sometimes acts righteously, stating that Gentiles, by nature, do what the law requires (2:14-15). He concludes that God will judge all people, "the Jew first and also the Greek" (2:9-10).
Romans Chapter 3: A Shared Plight
  • Direct Address: Paul uses "we" in 3:9 to include himself in the Jewish context: "What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin".
  • Content: He argues that the Law does not save but rather makes sin known (3:20).
  • Mentioning Gentiles: He pivots to state that justification is now revealed apart from the law, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (3:23). He clarifies that God is the God of both Jews and Gentiles (3:29-30).
Romans Chapter 4: The Inclusion of Gentiles
  • Direct Address: He addresses the Jewish, familial connection to Abraham, calling him "our forefather according to the flesh" (4:1).
  • Content: He uses Abraham to show that faith, not works or circumcision, was the basis of righteousness (4:9-12).
  • Mentioning Gentiles: He argues that Abraham's faith makes him the father of "all who believe without being circumcised" (Gentiles) so that righteousness might be counted to them as well (4:11-12, 16-17).
Summary
Throughout these chapters, Paul speaks directly to the Jews regarding their boasting in the Law and circumcision (2:17, 3:1), but uses the "Gentiles" as the counter-example to demonstrate that salvation is by faith alone (4:11) and that "no difference" exists between them regarding their need for grace (3:22).

Okay, but you still did not reply to my point, which was that Romans 2:28-29 and 4:16-18 indicate Gentile believers may be viewed as true or spiritual Jews and children of Abraham. Although they were not "in a covenant to obey the law", Romans 1:20 & 2:14-15 says that Gentiles have moral consciences that perceive equivalent requirements.
 
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Gentiles are under the Abrahamic covenant of promise.
The Gospel of the Kingdom that Jesus spread in Matthew 4:15-23 that called for us to turn from our disobedience to the Mosaic Law is in accordance with him being sent as the promised seed to bless us by turning us from our wickedness (Acts 3:25-26), which is the Gospel that was made known in advance to Abraham in accordance with the promise (Galatians 3:8). The promise was made to Abraham and brought about because he walked in God's way in obedience to His law, he taught his children and those of his household to do that in accordance with spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom, and because they did that in obedience to the Mosaic Law (Genesis 18:19, Genesis 26:4-5, Deuteronomy 30:16). The Mosaic Law is how the children of Abraham know how to be blessed by walking in God's way (Psalm 119:1-3), so the way that the children of Abraham are a blessing to the nations in accordance with inheriting the promise through faith is by turning the nations from their wickedness and by teaching them to do the same works as Abraham by walking in God's way in obedience to His law in accordance with spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom.

Revealing humanity's inability to keep the Law
In Romans 10:5-8, Paul referred to Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to proclaiming that the Mosaic Law is not too difficult for us to keep and that keeping it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as a possibility and as a choice, not as something that we have the inability to keep.

The reference there in mat 7:23 is out of context.
I is not taking it out of context to say that the way to know Jesus is by being workers of lawfulness. In Jeremiah 9:3 and 9:6, they did not know God and refused to know Him because in 9:13 they had forsaken the Torah while in 9:24, those who know God know that he delights in being a doer of steadfast love, justice, and righteousness is also of the earth, so the way to know God is by delighting in being a doer of His character traits in obedience to the Torah. Similarly, those who say that they know Jesus but don't obey his commands are liars (1 John 2:4) and those who continue to be doers of sin in transgression of the Torah have never seen nor known him (1 John 3:4-6). So the way to know God and Jesus is embodying His character traits in obedience to the Torah, which is eternal life (John 17:3).

Jesus is the gentiles (and now Jews) sabbath rest on any day or time.
Someone can't enter into God's rest while having the same disobedience to the Mosaic Law that prevented the Israelites from entering into God's rest.

Christian do not need the mosaic law they fulfill it by the greatest commandment "love god and love thy neighbor"
Everything in the Mosaic Law is either in regard to how to love God or how to love our neighbor, so the position that we should obey the greatest two commandments is also the position that we should obey the rest of the Mosaic Law, which is why love fulfills it. Someone who was correctly living in obedience to the greatest two commandments would be indistinguishable from someone who was correctly living in obedience to the rest of the Mosaic Law because they would both be following the same example that Jesus set for us to follow.

The mosaic law was never for salvation. The mosaic law does not define all sin for all peoples.
The Mosaic Law was never given as a way of earning our salvation even as the result of having perfect obedience to it, but Jesus graciously teaching us to experience being a doer of it is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not being a doer of it. Sin is what is contrary to God's character traits and it is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of what sin is because it was giving in order to teach us how to know God and Jesus through embodying His character traits, so sin is specific to who God is, not to who Israel is.

Jesus nor his disciple ever taught any gentile to follow the mosaic law.
In Matthew 28:16-20, Jesus commissioned his disciples to teach to the nations everything that he taught them.

We are to do the will of his father which is believe in Jesus.
God has made His will known through what He has commanded in the Mosaic Law (Psalm 40:8), which is also His instructions for how to believe in Jesus, which is why the Bible frequently connects our belief in God with our obedience to Him, such as with Revelation 14:12 where those who kept faith in Jesus are the same as those who kept God's commandments.

The covenant was centered around the Ten Commandments
God's character traits are eternal, so there is a reality that is true about the way to know Him through embodying His character traits that was true before God made any covenants with man, which has been revealed through His covenants, and that is true regardless of which covenant someone is under, if any.

The reason why Jesus established the New Covenant was not in order to nullify anything that he spent his ministry teaching or so that we could continue to have the same lawlessness that caused it to be needed in the first place, but rather the New Covenant is made with the same God with the same which traits and therefore still involves following the Mosaic Law (Jeremiah 31:33).

You have a major misunderstanding
In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what Jesus spent his ministry teaching and in what he accomplished through the cross is by repenting and becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law (Acts 21:20). In Psalm 119:160, all of God's righteous laws are eternal.

He fulfilled the Law and with His death
If you retroactively insert the cross back into Matthew 5 in spite of Jesus making no reference to it, then you are interpreting what it means to fulfill the law with the assumption that Jesus had no intention for his audience to understand what he meant, however, if his audience did understand what he meant, then it had meaning that his audience already understood before Jesus said that he came to fulfill it that is not is not specific to him. "To fulfill the law" means "to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be" (NAS Greek Lexicon: pleroo), so Jesus proceeded to fulfill the law throughout the rest of Matthew 5 by correcting what the people had heard being said and by teaching how to correctly obey it as it was originally intended.

According to Galatians 5:14, anyone who has ever loved their neighbor has fulfilled the entire law, so again it refers to correctly obeying it, moreover, it refers to something that countless people have done and should continue to do in perpetuity, not to something unique that only Jesus did through the cross to remove our obligation to love our neighbor. In Galatians 6:2, bearing one another's burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, yet you do not consistently interpret that as meaning that we are no longer obligated to obey it.

Galations 5:4
That is not my position.

If I have a agreement (covenant) to write a piece of software for someone, and I complete this agreement to their satisfaction perfectly.
Abolishing or relaxing the law does not refer removing any record of its existence but to causing it to no longer be obeyed. There was nothing about God giving the Mosaic Covenant that presented it as Him wanting the Israelites to do a specific task that that is no longer required once it has been accomplished, but rather the Bible repeatedly describes the Mosaic Covenant as being eternal and uses terms like that this is a statute forever throughout your generations.

The reason that God's Word leads us to God's Word made flesh is because he is the embodiment of it and because it was given in order to teach us how to know him through following his example of embodying it, but the reason that it leads us to him is not so that we can then reject everything that he is and go back to being doers of what it reveals to be wickedness. Someone who disregarded everything that their tutor taught them after they left would be missing the whole point of a tutor.

In Galatians 3:26-29, every aspect of being in children of God, through faith, in Christ, and being children of Abraham and heirs to the promise is directly connected with being a doer of the Mosaic Law. In 1 John 3:4-10, those who are not doers of righteous works in obedience to the Law of Moses are not children of God. In Romans 3:31, our faith upholds the Law of Moses. In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked. In John 8:39, Jesus said that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doers of the same works as him.
 
The Gospel of the Kingdom that Jesus spread in Matthew 4:15-23 that called for us to turn from our disobedience to the Mosaic Law is in accordance with him being sent as the promised seed to bless us by turning us from our wickedness (Acts 3:25-26), which is the Gospel that was made known in advance to Abraham in accordance with the promise (Galatians 3:8). The promise was made to Abraham and brought about because he walked in God's way in obedience to His law, he taught his children and those of his household to do that in accordance with spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom, and because they did that in obedience to the Mosaic Law (Genesis 18:19, Genesis 26:4-5, Deuteronomy 30:16). The Mosaic Law is how the children of Abraham know how to be blessed by walking in God's way (Psalm 119:1-3), so the way that the children of Abraham are a blessing to the nations in accordance with inheriting the promise through faith is by turning the nations from their wickedness and by teaching them to do the same works as Abraham by walking in God's way in obedience to His law in accordance with spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom.

In Romans 10:5-8, Paul referred to Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to proclaiming that the Mosaic Law is not too difficult for us to keep and that keeping it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as a possibility and as a choice, not as something that we have the inability to keep.

I is not taking it out of context to say that the way to know Jesus is by being workers of lawfulness. In Jeremiah 9:3 and 9:6, they did not know God and refused to know Him because in 9:13 they had forsaken the Torah while in 9:24, those who know God know that he delights in being a doer of steadfast love, justice, and righteousness is also of the earth, so the way to know God is by delighting in being a doer of His character traits in obedience to the Torah. Similarly, those who say that they know Jesus but don't obey his commands are liars (1 John 2:4) and those who continue to be doers of sin in transgression of the Torah have never seen nor known him (1 John 3:4-6). So the way to know God and Jesus is embodying His character traits in obedience to the Torah, which is eternal life (John 17:3).

Someone can't enter into God's rest while having the same disobedience to the Mosaic Law that prevented the Israelites from entering into God's rest.

Everything in the Mosaic Law is either in regard to how to love God or how to love our neighbor, so the position that we should obey the greatest two commandments is also the position that we should obey the rest of the Mosaic Law, which is why love fulfills it. Someone who was correctly living in obedience to the greatest two commandments would be indistinguishable from someone who was correctly living in obedience to the rest of the Mosaic Law because they would both be following the same example that Jesus set for us to follow.

The Mosaic Law was never given as a way of earning our salvation even as the result of having perfect obedience to it, but Jesus graciously teaching us to experience being a doer of it is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not being a doer of it. Sin is what is contrary to God's character traits and it is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of what sin is because it was giving in order to teach us how to know God and Jesus through embodying His character traits, so sin is specific to who God is, not to who Israel is.

In Matthew 28:16-20, Jesus commissioned his disciples to teach to the nations everything that he taught them.

God has made His will known through what He has commanded in the Mosaic Law (Psalm 40:8), which is also His instructions for how to believe in Jesus, which is why the Bible frequently connects our belief in God with our obedience to Him, such as with Revelation 14:12 where those who kept faith in Jesus are the same as those who kept God's commandments.

God's character traits are eternal, so there is a reality that is true about the way to know Him through embodying His character traits that was true before God made any covenants with man, which has been revealed through His covenants, and that is true regardless of which covenant someone is under, if any.

The reason why Jesus established the New Covenant was not in order to nullify anything that he spent his ministry teaching or so that we could continue to have the same lawlessness that caused it to be needed in the first place, but rather the New Covenant is made with the same God with the same which traits and therefore still involves following the Mosaic Law (Jeremiah 31:33).

In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what Jesus spent his ministry teaching and in what he accomplished through the cross is by repenting and becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law (Acts 21:20). In Psalm 119:160, all of God's righteous laws are eternal.

If you retroactively insert the cross back into Matthew 5 in spite of Jesus making no reference to it, then you are interpreting what it means to fulfill the law with the assumption that Jesus had no intention for his audience to understand what he meant, however, if his audience did understand what he meant, then it had meaning that his audience already understood before Jesus said that he came to fulfill it that is not is not specific to him. "To fulfill the law" means "to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be" (NAS Greek Lexicon: pleroo), so Jesus proceeded to fulfill the law throughout the rest of Matthew 5 by correcting what the people had heard being said and by teaching how to correctly obey it as it was originally intended.

According to Galatians 5:14, anyone who has ever loved their neighbor has fulfilled the entire law, so again it refers to correctly obeying it, moreover, it refers to something that countless people have done and should continue to do in perpetuity, not to something unique that only Jesus did through the cross to remove our obligation to love our neighbor. In Galatians 6:2, bearing one another's burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, yet you do not consistently interpret that as meaning that we are no longer obligated to obey it.

That is not my position.

Abolishing or relaxing the law does not refer removing any record of its existence but to causing it to no longer be obeyed. There was nothing about God giving the Mosaic Covenant that presented it as Him wanting the Israelites to do a specific task that that is no longer required once it has been accomplished, but rather the Bible repeatedly describes the Mosaic Covenant as being eternal and uses terms like that this is a statute forever throughout your generations.

The reason that God's Word leads us to God's Word made flesh is because he is the embodiment of it and because it was given in order to teach us how to know him through following his example of embodying it, but the reason that it leads us to him is not so that we can then reject everything that he is and go back to being doers of what it reveals to be wickedness. Someone who disregarded everything that their tutor taught them after they left would be missing the whole point of a tutor.

In Galatians 3:26-29, every aspect of being in children of God, through faith, in Christ, and being children of Abraham and heirs to the promise is directly connected with being a doer of the Mosaic Law. In 1 John 3:4-10, those who are not doers of righteous works in obedience to the Law of Moses are not children of God. In Romans 3:31, our faith upholds the Law of Moses. In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked. In John 8:39, Jesus said that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doers of the same works as him.

Thanks for posting examples of backwards understanding/interpretation of Scripture,
so Christians can perceive that pitfall and thus avoid perverting the true Gospel. :eek:
 
The Gospel of the Kingdom that Jesus spread in Matthew 4:15-23 that called for us to turn from our disobedience to the Mosaic Law is in accordance with him being sent as the promised seed to bless us by turning us from our wickedness (Acts 3:25-26), which is the Gospel that was made known in advance to Abraham in accordance with the promise (Galatians 3:8). The promise was made to Abraham and brought about because he walked in God's way in obedience to His law, he taught his children and those of his household to do that in accordance with spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom, and because they did that in obedience to the Mosaic Law (Genesis 18:19, Genesis 26:4-5, Deuteronomy 30:16). The Mosaic Law is how the children of Abraham know how to be blessed by walking in God's way (Psalm 119:1-3), so the way that the children of Abraham are a blessing to the nations in accordance with inheriting the promise through faith is by turning the nations from their wickedness and by teaching them to do the same works as Abraham by walking in God's way in obedience to His law in accordance with spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom.


In Romans 10:5-8, Paul referred to Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to proclaiming that the Mosaic Law is not too difficult for us to keep and that keeping it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as a possibility and as a choice, not as something that we have the inability to keep.


I is not taking it out of context to say that the way to know Jesus is by being workers of lawfulness. In Jeremiah 9:3 and 9:6, they did not know God and refused to know Him because in 9:13 they had forsaken the Torah while in 9:24, those who know God know that he delights in being a doer of steadfast love, justice, and righteousness is also of the earth, so the way to know God is by delighting in being a doer of His character traits in obedience to the Torah. Similarly, those who say that they know Jesus but don't obey his commands are liars (1 John 2:4) and those who continue to be doers of sin in transgression of the Torah have never seen nor known him (1 John 3:4-6). So the way to know God and Jesus is embodying His character traits in obedience to the Torah, which is eternal life (John 17:3).


Someone can't enter into God's rest while having the same disobedience to the Mosaic Law that prevented the Israelites from entering into God's rest.


Everything in the Mosaic Law is either in regard to how to love God or how to love our neighbor, so the position that we should obey the greatest two commandments is also the position that we should obey the rest of the Mosaic Law, which is why love fulfills it. Someone who was correctly living in obedience to the greatest two commandments would be indistinguishable from someone who was correctly living in obedience to the rest of the Mosaic Law because they would both be following the same example that Jesus set for us to follow.


The Mosaic Law was never given as a way of earning our salvation even as the result of having perfect obedience to it, but Jesus graciously teaching us to experience being a doer of it is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not being a doer of it. Sin is what is contrary to God's character traits and it is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of what sin is because it was giving in order to teach us how to know God and Jesus through embodying His character traits, so sin is specific to who God is, not to who Israel is.


In Matthew 28:16-20, Jesus commissioned his disciples to teach to the nations everything that he taught them.


God has made His will known through what He has commanded in the Mosaic Law (Psalm 40:8), which is also His instructions for how to believe in Jesus, which is why the Bible frequently connects our belief in God with our obedience to Him, such as with Revelation 14:12 where those who kept faith in Jesus are the same as those who kept God's commandments.


God's character traits are eternal, so there is a reality that is true about the way to know Him through embodying His character traits that was true before God made any covenants with man, which has been revealed through His covenants, and that is true regardless of which covenant someone is under, if any.

The reason why Jesus established the New Covenant was not in order to nullify anything that he spent his ministry teaching or so that we could continue to have the same lawlessness that caused it to be needed in the first place, but rather the New Covenant is made with the same God with the same which traits and therefore still involves following the Mosaic Law (Jeremiah 31:33).


In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what Jesus spent his ministry teaching and in what he accomplished through the cross is by repenting and becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law (Acts 21:20). In Psalm 119:160, all of God's righteous laws are eternal.


If you retroactively insert the cross back into Matthew 5 in spite of Jesus making no reference to it, then you are interpreting what it means to fulfill the law with the assumption that Jesus had no intention for his audience to understand what he meant, however, if his audience did understand what he meant, then it had meaning that his audience already understood before Jesus said that he came to fulfill it that is not is not specific to him. "To fulfill the law" means "to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be" (NAS Greek Lexicon: pleroo), so Jesus proceeded to fulfill the law throughout the rest of Matthew 5 by correcting what the people had heard being said and by teaching how to correctly obey it as it was originally intended.

According to Galatians 5:14, anyone who has ever loved their neighbor has fulfilled the entire law, so again it refers to correctly obeying it, moreover, it refers to something that countless people have done and should continue to do in perpetuity, not to something unique that only Jesus did through the cross to remove our obligation to love our neighbor. In Galatians 6:2, bearing one another's burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, yet you do not consistently interpret that as meaning that we are no longer obligated to obey it.


That is not my position.


Abolishing or relaxing the law does not refer removing any record of its existence but to causing it to no longer be obeyed. There was nothing about God giving the Mosaic Covenant that presented it as Him wanting the Israelites to do a specific task that that is no longer required once it has been accomplished, but rather the Bible repeatedly describes the Mosaic Covenant as being eternal and uses terms like that this is a statute forever throughout your generations.


The reason that God's Word leads us to God's Word made flesh is because he is the embodiment of it and because it was given in order to teach us how to know him through following his example of embodying it, but the reason that it leads us to him is not so that we can then reject everything that he is and go back to being doers of what it reveals to be wickedness. Someone who disregarded everything that their tutor taught them after they left would be missing the whole point of a tutor.

In Galatians 3:26-29, every aspect of being in children of God, through faith, in Christ, and being children of Abraham and heirs to the promise is directly connected with being a doer of the Mosaic Law. In 1 John 3:4-10, those who are not doers of righteous works in obedience to the Law of Moses are not children of God. In Romans 3:31, our faith upholds the Law of Moses. In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked. In John 8:39, Jesus said that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doers of the same works as him.
Well, that as a great thought-out reply. But Protestant Christianity (gentiles) have never been and never will be under the Mosaic law. this is my point. It's fine if people want to incorporate the law into their lives but Jesus nor anyone else in the New Testament is commanded to do so. It is simply not a part of christianity.
 
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