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As for animals not having a spirit.. I completely disagree, everything living has a spirit.. otherwise its not living, Spirit is just the breathe of life given to make one alive.. Lifes energy, take it away and death comes. You need to remember that nowhere in scripture does it say that God BREATHED into any of the animals that He made. They were alive and breathing BEFORE Adam came into the picture. It is only MAN that God breathed into, that He put a spirit into and that, for the purpose of spirit to spirit communication with man.
The false doctrine of Immortal Souls is not in the bible, Souls DIE..your verses you quote even show that. Immortal means cannot die. Anything that dies is certainly not immortal. Let’s look at these verse that show that the soul does not die. IF it did die, how could the ‘person’ know torment in hell or ecstasy in praising the Lord in Heaven? BibleGateway.com - Keyword Search: soul die
Ezekiel 18:4
"Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine The soul who sins will die. refers to spiritual death, not ceasing in its existance. SEE ABOVE LINK FOR SCRIPTURE SUPPORT
No it doesn’t it is talking about souls that CAN die, spirit cannot die.. its not talking about spiritual death as there is no such thing. Spirit is immortal, CANNOT DIE. What you are saying is opinion..not scripture. And your verse proves it. Which verse proves souls do not leave the body (Gen 35:18), but instead die??
spirit is a few things.. most talked of in the bible are .. as above.. the life giving force that god gives when life is started.
spirit is also docrtrine.. as john talks about in 1john4.. read the whole thing and find no 'doctrine of the spirit'.
Serious? The very first verse of 1john 4........
“(1) Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
(2) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
(3) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
This has nothing to do with any ‘doctrine of the spirit’. This is INSTRUCTION to NOT believe everything you hear or read, testing it against the written Word of God. You have taken that verse out of context…and very strangely so.
Believe not every spirit????? What could this mean in this context?? Breath of life?? I don’t think so. It is talking about the ‘beliefs of anothers’ their doctrine. Yes, but how do you get a ‘doctrine’ out of that? It is instruction, warning of demons working through people to bring about false teaching.
(1) The passage is clearly warning TRUE believers to be wary of false doctrines by false prophets/teachers and to
(2) know the correct doctrine of god, and every doctrine that says jesus is flesh (not god)
(3) and every doctrine that says that jesus isn’t flesh is NOT OF GOD. And is infact the doctrine of an antichrist (or somebody against Christ),.... Then it finishes to say that this false doctrine was in the world back then 2000years ago and will come again , as it is now. Right, we agree on this. But there is no “doctrine of the spirit”!
V 6 Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
holy spirit is gods power to do what he wills.
No. God is SPIRIT (John 4:24). He IS power. Holy Spirit IS part of God and not something that the Father gets any power from. Scripture says the HE is Mighty...not that He gets His might from anything. Revelation 11:17
saying, "We give You thanks, O Lord God, the Almighty, who are and who were, because You have taken Your great power and have begun to reign.
I never said the Father gets power from anything, I said as you quoted what i said hightlghted above in red.. the holy spirit IS gods power.. I didn’t say the holy spirit is something god gets his power from.. God would still BE power even if Holy Spirit were not in existence. So I think I still disagree here. God IS the power. Holy Spirit and Christ are Parts of God that the power is used in and through and in the case of Christ, given to.
My guess is I'm from Venus and you are from Mars and we are basically saying the same thing!!
Maggie
The false doctrine of Immortal Souls is not in the bible, Souls DIE..your verses you quote even show that. Immortal means cannot die. Anything that dies is certainly not immortal. Let’s look at these verse that show that the soul does not die. IF it did die, how could the ‘person’ know torment in hell or ecstasy in praising the Lord in Heaven? BibleGateway.com - Keyword Search: soul die
Ezekiel 18:4
"Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine The soul who sins will die. refers to spiritual death, not ceasing in its existance. SEE ABOVE LINK FOR SCRIPTURE SUPPORT
No it doesn’t it is talking about souls that CAN die, spirit cannot die.. its not talking about spiritual death as there is no such thing. Spirit is immortal, CANNOT DIE. What you are saying is opinion..not scripture. And your verse proves it. Which verse proves souls do not leave the body (Gen 35:18), but instead die??
spirit is a few things.. most talked of in the bible are .. as above.. the life giving force that god gives when life is started.
spirit is also docrtrine.. as john talks about in 1john4.. read the whole thing and find no 'doctrine of the spirit'.
Serious? The very first verse of 1john 4........
“(1) Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
(2) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
(3) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
This has nothing to do with any ‘doctrine of the spirit’. This is INSTRUCTION to NOT believe everything you hear or read, testing it against the written Word of God. You have taken that verse out of context…and very strangely so.
Believe not every spirit????? What could this mean in this context?? Breath of life?? I don’t think so. It is talking about the ‘beliefs of anothers’ their doctrine. Yes, but how do you get a ‘doctrine’ out of that? It is instruction, warning of demons working through people to bring about false teaching.
(1) The passage is clearly warning TRUE believers to be wary of false doctrines by false prophets/teachers and to
(2) know the correct doctrine of god, and every doctrine that says jesus is flesh (not god)
(3) and every doctrine that says that jesus isn’t flesh is NOT OF GOD. And is infact the doctrine of an antichrist (or somebody against Christ),.... Then it finishes to say that this false doctrine was in the world back then 2000years ago and will come again , as it is now. Right, we agree on this. But there is no “doctrine of the spirit”!
V 6 Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
holy spirit is gods power to do what he wills.
No. God is SPIRIT (John 4:24). He IS power. Holy Spirit IS part of God and not something that the Father gets any power from. Scripture says the HE is Mighty...not that He gets His might from anything. Revelation 11:17
saying, "We give You thanks, O Lord God, the Almighty, who are and who were, because You have taken Your great power and have begun to reign.
I never said the Father gets power from anything, I said as you quoted what i said hightlghted above in red.. the holy spirit IS gods power.. I didn’t say the holy spirit is something god gets his power from.. God would still BE power even if Holy Spirit were not in existence. So I think I still disagree here. God IS the power. Holy Spirit and Christ are Parts of God that the power is used in and through and in the case of Christ, given to.
My guess is I'm from Venus and you are from Mars and we are basically saying the same thing!!
Maggie