State your position on Israel and current events in the Middle East

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How would you label your position towards Israel?

  • 1. Full Blown Zionist -- I believe that Israel is God's chosen people and they can do no wrong.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 2. The Bible is the word of God -- Covenant with Abraham is eternal and Jews in Israel are sinners

    Votes: 9 56.3%
  • 3. Gaza is the victim in this war and Israel is the aggressor and criminal

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 4. I support Hamas, from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 5. Other

    Votes: 7 43.8%

  • Total voters
    16
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Well you asked...

#5. I have a life.

Granted, we are christians. Granted, Israel is God's chosen people. Granted, Israel factors heavily into end-time prophecy. Granted, we should probably keep an eye on what they are doing.

But I have already have a life of my own, so I neither need nor have the time to dig so deep as some people do and try to extrapolate so heavily. Some people really need to get themselves a life.

I don't pay as close attention as some people seem to for the same reason I don't care as much about the royal family as some people care. It's not my business and I have other business of my own to attend to.
I think regardless of whether or not we care about Israel and Middle East we can all agree with Paul

Romans 10:1 Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved
 
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I think regardless of whether or not we care about Israel and Middle East we can all agree with Paul

Romans 10:1 Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved
Yup.

At once all the prophecy
Made sense to me
I'd studied them so long
Why couldn't I see

- Michael Card
 
No, it proves you are the liar, ZNP. You stated that "100% of those who have not responded are not full blown Zionist who believe the Jews can do no wrong". Yet I quoted to you one poster stating "to do whatever it takes" (when Israel has been engaging agents such as Epstein who was involved in pedophilia), and another who instead of condemning pedophilia and Israel's use of this Satanic practice to further its objectives (using blackmail), accuses me of blood libel for mentioning it.

This is exactly what I and many other posters mean, and your lie has been exposed in less than 2 pages. Either you, @ZNP, are spreading lies as a useful idiot, or are doing it intentionally. I don't need to engage on this matter further, as it has been settled.

Same ole tired accusations, because they cannot defend based on the facts and the full picture.

Talking points, constant parroting, what they have heard without any critical examination.

They always will make it personal, blood libel, seriously. :rolleyes:

If they did just an iota of honest, real, objective research their entire narrative would be destroyed.
There is plenty of evidence of a genocide and starvation at this point and arguing one picture here or there means little.

Things will NOT play out the way the dispensationalists are hoping, we will probably see another Great Disappointment far more severe than the one in 1844.

Several reliable informants (ex IDF) have stated Clinton was under blackmail to NOT settle with the PLO.
You are right about Epstein and how it ties back to their favored nation, Ehud Barak was constant visitor.
Shame would be in order by the carte blanche supporters and yet what happens more defend, deflect and deny.
And what is really ironic is there are mass protests in Israel.
Here we are regular people held captive by a bunch of (p*d*) elites who actually hate us but the gullible support them
 
Same ole tired accusations, because they cannot defend based on the facts and the full picture.

Talking points, constant parroting, what they have heard without any critical examination.

They always will make it personal, blood libel, seriously. :rolleyes:

If they did just an iota of honest, real, objective research their entire narrative would be destroyed.
There is plenty of evidence of a genocide and starvation at this point and arguing one picture here or there means little.

Things will NOT play out the way the dispensationalists are hoping, we will probably see another Great Disappointment far more severe than the one in 1844.

Several reliable informants (ex IDF) have stated Clinton was under blackmail to NOT settle with the PLO.
You are right about Epstein and how it ties back to their favored nation, Ehud Barak was constant visitor.
Shame would be in order by the carte blanche supporters and yet what happens more defend, deflect and deny.
And what is really ironic is there are mass protests in Israel.
Here we are regular people held captive by a bunch of (p*d*) elites who actually hate us but the gullible support them
This thread is very clear, if you post on this thread you are to state your position on Israel. Now you didn't fill out the poll, which is OK, simply state your position on Israel.

At the moment we have 13 people who have filled out the poll and I doubt either you or Commodoreteach has, so if you would that would bring us to 15. No one has said they believe that Israel is without sin. No one at this point has picked option 1. However, quite a few have picked "other" and then explained in their post why.

I think the one thing we can all agree with Paul on is:

Romans 10:1 Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved
 
Same ole tired accusations, because they cannot defend based on the facts and the full picture.

Talking points, constant parroting, what they have heard without any critical examination.

They always will make it personal, blood libel, seriously. :rolleyes:

If they did just an iota of honest, real, objective research their entire narrative would be destroyed.
There is plenty of evidence of a genocide and starvation at this point and arguing one picture here or there means little.

And yet, no one seems to be able to provide it.

https://x.com/GAZAWOOD1/status/1955002837202850225

So answer me this question... Do you believe that we should have been doing food drops for the Germans in WW II? Or the Japanese after their conquest of Korea?

https://x.com/DaXBoi2/status/1955004961357492403

But by all means kiddo. Keep your constant parroting of talking points, and projection.

Oh, and Gaza Delende Est.
 
This thread is very clear, if you post on this thread you are to state your position on Israel. Now you didn't fill out the poll, which is OK, simply state your position on Israel.

At the moment we have 13 people who have filled out the poll and I doubt either you or Commodoreteach has, so if you would that would bring us to 15. No one has said they believe that Israel is without sin. No one at this point has picked option 1. However, quite a few have picked "other" and then explained in their post why.

I think the one thing we can all agree with Paul on is:

Romans 10:1 Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved

Are the poll police coming to my door, lol
 
We have 15 respondents to the poll and not one who is blind to Israel being made of sinners just like the rest of the nations.
 
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Red car guy visited here and so far no one on the poll has chosen #3, nor did he pick other and explain his position, so what gives with that? What is he hiding?


I'm at the point that I wish they would open everything with Epstein's name on it. Tin foil hat theories are getting way out of hand. No one has any info but swear they have the inside scoop. I'm past tired of it.
 
This thread is very clear, if you post on this thread you are to state your position on Israel. Now you didn't fill out the poll, which is OK, simply state your position on Israel.

At the moment we have 13 people who have filled out the poll and I doubt either you or Commodoreteach has, so if you would that would bring us to 15. No one has said they believe that Israel is without sin. No one at this point has picked option 1. However, quite a few have picked "other" and then explained in their post why.

I think the one thing we can all agree with Paul on is:

Romans 10:1 Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved

Actually thank you for posting this poll. It's making everything clearer. Positions are being stated calmly and clearly, for the most part. With all the argument and mess in the Israel thread, this is very clear. Good work.
 
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We have 15 respondents to the poll and not one who is blind to Israel being made of sinners just like the rest of the nations.

As if someone is going to believe they are saints, seriously.
:rolleyes:
 
Jim Gaffigan advanced a theory that everybody has his own McDonald's. "I'd NEVER eat at McDonald's!" Okay, but you have your own McDonald's. Maybe you read People Magazine. Maybe you tell yourself that Starbucks frappucino is NOT a milkshake. Maybe you watch Glee.

It's all McDonald's. Just packaged a bit differently. Momentary enjoyment followed by lingering regret, eventually leading to cancer.

I believe arguing about stuff like this is some people's McDonald's. Some people enjoy it. It doesn't do any good. Some could say it is detrimental. But a LOT of people enjoy doing it over and over.

"By the way," said Jim, "If you care about what the royal family is doing, that's not even McDonald's. That's Burger King. That's not even our gossip."
 
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Jim Gaffigan advanced a theory that everybody has his own McDonald's. "I'd NEVER eat at McDonald's!" Okay, but you have your own McDonald's. Maybe you read People Magazine. Maybe you tell yourself that Starbucks frappucino is NOT a milkshake. Maybe you watch Glee.

It's all McDonald's. Just packaged a bit differently. Momentary enjoyment followed by lingering regret, eventually leading to cancer.

I believe arguing about stuff like this is some people's McDonald's. Some people enjoy it. It doesn't do any good. Some could say it is detrimental. But a LOT of people enjoy doing it over and over.

"By the way," said Jim, "If you care about what the royal family is doing, that's not even McDonald's. That's Burger King. That's not even our gossip."


I was a big fan of Princess Diana as a girl. I had so many books and magazines about her. I will never forget the day after her death. We were at a large church doing a concert. Most people had learned the news that morning. When we stood up to sing and looked down at the crowd everyone was in shock and mourning. It was of the most difficult services we ever did. She really was the people's princess. But I was in Canada then. A while ago my mother asked what I wanted to do with all the books and magazines I had at her house of Diana. Yes, I dragged them all the way from Canada! Now I don't know what to do with them. I don't have the heart to throw them out but it doesn't make sense to keep them.

I say all that to say this. Israel is always a dividing topic. I believe there is a spiritual reason for that. It's a subject that on its own can spark an intense debate. But after what happened on Oct 7, it's lit the topic on fire. On top of that, to see the antisemitism at different universities, it's concerning. My maiden name could be considered Jewish. It's an adopted name, not my fathers real last name. We're not Jewish. But I made a couple comments on news sites and I was told I was using my Jew card, that I was playing the victim like our people always do, and a lot of other antisemitic things. Then it hit me, I use my maiden name and married name on my Facebook page. They thought I was a Jew. It made me wonder if we lived in a big city instead of the small town south would I have to worry about my parents being shot and killed like the young couple,Yaron Lischinsky and Sarah Lynn Milgrim were? I think people need to take a deep breath and consider their position on this topic. Hate and racism can lead to terrible things happening. Just saying never again isn't enough. Sorry for the long post. I didn't mean to get on the soapbox. If any of you read to the end, thank you.
 
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In Post #23 I said "There is not a single person who has filled out the poll who does not agree that Israel are sinners. No one, 0%, are ignoring the sins or saying those sins do not need to be prosecuted or investigated." I have not talked about those who have not filled out the poll, only those who have. So far 0% identify as full blown Zionists.
This is deceitful of you, ZNP. I specifically referred to the state sponsored pedophilia involving Israel, and instead of condemning this most heinous of crimes that makes the Jewish Holocaust of WWII pale in comparison, I was accused (by at least one of the Zionists you are defending) of blood libel. Neither did any of the other Zionists attacking me condemn this most heinous of acts. I've proved my point to anyone who won't support pedophilia. For those making excuses for pedophilia, there are no depths such people won't plumb. I certainly won't expect an honest conversation from anyone (including you) ZNP, who won't condemn pedophilia.

Therefore, unless you can state "I condemn, fully and unequivocally, the modern state of Israel's employment of Jeffrey Epstein's pedophile blackmail operations, and I believe there is never any justification whatsoever for employing pedophilia, child abuse, child sacrifice, child murder or other such Satanic practices", I think we are well below the minimal trust required to continue this discussion any further. If you are happy to make such a statement, perhaps we can continue, as then there will be at least some minimum baseline of morality that both parties share.

You have misquoted me intentionally. That is libel.
No. You have lied about me. And yes, that is libel, on your account.
 
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