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Reformedjason
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Samson committed suicide. He was also given the power to do so. His suicide was a self sacrifice
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danschance
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There is a difference between suicide and sacrifice. If a father ran in front of a car to push his daughter out of the way and died in the process. Is that suicide or sacrifice? Sampson destroyed a temple dedicated to a false god and killed those who worshipped it and in the process, he killed himself. His act was to honor God and bring judgement on pagans.
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Reformedjason
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I agree with you for the most part. He was tired, he was beaten down. He wanted his life to end but he used it to glorify God. His suicide was different than a person just being sick of life but in some ways it was similar.
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Shiloah
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Well, saying this seems so easy until you know someone personally that in a great fit of despair killed themselves. I think our God is a compassionate God. He judges the heart. Not everything in this world works out like we Christians think it should, and if I personally wouldn't damn anyone for losing all hope and killing themselves, I can't imagine that my Father in heaven isn't immeasurably more compassionate than I am.
The problem in this issue is often we want to decide wether suicide can be ok or not ok.
If I have learned anything from God Our Father it is that He hates any and all sin.
But God is mercy and understanding so great that we cannot fathom it.
Ive been caring for my daughter who has multiple health issues for her whole life, one is severe depression.
She has attempted suicide several times.
But the one constant that has sustained her, is her love for Jesus, and the knowladge of His love for her.
But she also knows here is no justification for suicide, for it is sin, and this has helped her as well to resist the temptation.
The answer here is not wether one can or cannot commit suicide and still have eternal life, for we are not the ones to decide this.
This is God's judgement.
The answer here is...
that one cannot approve any sin,
that we may take comfort and hope in Jesus, God Our Father, that whatever decided it will be judged by Our God who is just, mercyful, loving and His understanding no one can begin to fathom.
God bless
pickles
If I have learned anything from God Our Father it is that He hates any and all sin.
But God is mercy and understanding so great that we cannot fathom it.
Ive been caring for my daughter who has multiple health issues for her whole life, one is severe depression.
She has attempted suicide several times.
But the one constant that has sustained her, is her love for Jesus, and the knowladge of His love for her.
But she also knows here is no justification for suicide, for it is sin, and this has helped her as well to resist the temptation.
The answer here is not wether one can or cannot commit suicide and still have eternal life, for we are not the ones to decide this.
This is God's judgement.
The answer here is...
that one cannot approve any sin,
that we may take comfort and hope in Jesus, God Our Father, that whatever decided it will be judged by Our God who is just, mercyful, loving and His understanding no one can begin to fathom.
God bless
pickles
Many theologians and religions adamantly have long dismissed any suggestion that the resurrection of the unrighteous may include those who commit suicide. As far as the ones who took their own lives, we humans cannot judge as to whether he will get a resurrection or not. I am only aware of four instances-in the Bible-where suicide is mentioned: 1 Samuel 31:17; 2 Samuel 17:23; 1 Kings 16:8-20; Matthew 27:5. As for Judas, we can discern that there will be no resurrection hope. See Mark 14:21; John 17:12; Hebrews 10:26.
Life is a gift from God, not something to be abused or to end at one’s own hand. (James 1:17) Hence, the Scriptures encourage us to see ourselves, not as immortal souls, but as valuable creations of the God who loves us, who treasures our being alive, and who looks forward with joy to the time of the resurrection. (Job 14:14, 15) Jehovah, having paid “a ransom in exchange for many,” is within his right to extend mercy, even to some self-murderers, by resurrecting them and giving them the precious opportunity to “repent and turn to God by doing works that befit repentance.”-Acts 26:20.
Granted, one who takes his own life deprives themselves of the opportunity to repent of their self-murder. But who can say whether one driven to suicide might have had a change of heart had his fatal attempt failed? Some notorious murderers have, in fact, changed and earned God’s forgiveness during their lifetimes. (2 Kings 21:16; 2 Chronicles 33:12, 13) They, like us, will still need the “ransom” to lift ourselves to perfection; and, judgment will be determined by what we do after the resurrection is complete.-1 John 4:8-10.
While suicide is never righteous and cannot be justified, it is comforting to remember that the future prospects of our loved ones rest with a God who fully understands that weaknesses and frailties such as mental illness, extreme stress, depression, and genetic defects could push one to such desperate action. He “well knows the formation of us, remembering that we are dust.” (Psalm 103:11-14) God alone searches “all hearts and every inclination of the thoughts.” (1 Chronicles 28:9) But we may be confident that “the Judge of all the earth is going to do what is loving, just, and right!”-Genesis 18:25.
The apostle Paul did hold out a beautiful hope for even some unrighteous ones. As he told a Roman court of law: “I have hope toward God…that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.”-Acts 24:15.
Life is a gift from God, not something to be abused or to end at one’s own hand. (James 1:17) Hence, the Scriptures encourage us to see ourselves, not as immortal souls, but as valuable creations of the God who loves us, who treasures our being alive, and who looks forward with joy to the time of the resurrection. (Job 14:14, 15) Jehovah, having paid “a ransom in exchange for many,” is within his right to extend mercy, even to some self-murderers, by resurrecting them and giving them the precious opportunity to “repent and turn to God by doing works that befit repentance.”-Acts 26:20.
Granted, one who takes his own life deprives themselves of the opportunity to repent of their self-murder. But who can say whether one driven to suicide might have had a change of heart had his fatal attempt failed? Some notorious murderers have, in fact, changed and earned God’s forgiveness during their lifetimes. (2 Kings 21:16; 2 Chronicles 33:12, 13) They, like us, will still need the “ransom” to lift ourselves to perfection; and, judgment will be determined by what we do after the resurrection is complete.-1 John 4:8-10.
While suicide is never righteous and cannot be justified, it is comforting to remember that the future prospects of our loved ones rest with a God who fully understands that weaknesses and frailties such as mental illness, extreme stress, depression, and genetic defects could push one to such desperate action. He “well knows the formation of us, remembering that we are dust.” (Psalm 103:11-14) God alone searches “all hearts and every inclination of the thoughts.” (1 Chronicles 28:9) But we may be confident that “the Judge of all the earth is going to do what is loving, just, and right!”-Genesis 18:25.
The apostle Paul did hold out a beautiful hope for even some unrighteous ones. As he told a Roman court of law: “I have hope toward God…that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.”-Acts 24:15.
Amazing testimony about the nature of depression. I am so glad you found out the problem. Was it hypo or hyperthyroidism?
Glad your doctor and the psychologist help you figure it out. I would also say God had a hand in guiding the docs.
God bless!
Oh, and until you have bottomed out in depression that never seems to end, it is probably not a good thing to be judging people on an issue which really is not in the Bible. I have been through some very dark valleys, and God has always held onto me. It has been many years since I have been in that place, so God did bring me through.
But I would never condemn anyone who is suffering with severe depression, and makes the terrible decision to kill themselves.
But I would never condemn anyone who is suffering with severe depression, and makes the terrible decision to kill themselves.
Many people scoff at others who become extremely depressed. I never scoffed, but I did know of people who complained of severe depression, and I found it very difficult to understand how it could be so debilitating.
My nature, praise Yahweh, has never been such as to allow myself to fall into severe depression, yet once, and only once, I fell into an abysmal depression. It was real, and it rendered me helpless. I believe the Lord in His infinite wisdom allowed me to experience this horrible state in order to understand others better, and I praise Him for it. To this day, I have no idea what the reason for my depression was.
Now I understand how others have a real illness with what is called clinical depression, and these people need the help of everyone around them, but mostly prayer. Praise Yahweh for giving understanding, even though it is sometimes a tough lesson
I also praise Him for relieving us of the unnecessary burden of judging others in this age, that is judging to condemnation.
My nature, praise Yahweh, has never been such as to allow myself to fall into severe depression, yet once, and only once, I fell into an abysmal depression. It was real, and it rendered me helpless. I believe the Lord in His infinite wisdom allowed me to experience this horrible state in order to understand others better, and I praise Him for it. To this day, I have no idea what the reason for my depression was.
Now I understand how others have a real illness with what is called clinical depression, and these people need the help of everyone around them, but mostly prayer. Praise Yahweh for giving understanding, even though it is sometimes a tough lesson
I also praise Him for relieving us of the unnecessary burden of judging others in this age, that is judging to condemnation.
Faith without works is dead, the moment we believe and do, we are accounted righteous. if do not show the works, then you know where the unrighteous go to. It is the Act that matters to GOD, because That is what shows that WE BELIEVE in..