Temple of God

[HeIsHere]

But in the last days it shall come to pass,

In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.
Hebrews 1:1-2

Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Hebrews 9:26

These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come.
1 Cor 10:11

He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.
1 Peter 1:20

and then we have John who states it was down to the last hour...

Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
I John 2:18

End of one age (last days, latter times, the old covenant) and a transition into the new covenant.

 

[TMS]

The temple may be built and may have many literal fulfillments
But that does not mean it is God's will. People can believe something and make it happen. Self fulfilled.

But we can ask Jesus when He comes with all His angels. Every eye will see Him.

I can not see any reason why God would want the temple built again..

 

[rrcn]

Confused.
Are you in agreement with the website?

Confused.
Are you in agreement with the website?

Could you expand the question. This is along the line of “ a picture is worth a thousand words”.

[2Th 2:3-4 KJV] 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The photo presented could not have happened by accident. If you check Exodus 25 - 40 you will see the origin of the temple. It was a portable sanctuary which was commissioned by God to be built by Moses. The pope is sitting in the position of God.
[Exo 25:8-9, 16-22 KJV] 8 And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them. 9 According to all that I shew thee, [after] the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make [it]. ... 16 And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee. 17 And thou shalt make a mercy seat [of] pure gold: two cubits and a half [shall be] the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof. 18 And thou shalt make two cherubims [of] gold, [of] beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat. 19 And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: [even] of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof. 20 And the cherubims shall stretch forth [their] wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces [shall look] one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be. 21 And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee. 22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which [are] upon the ark of the testimony, of all [things] which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.

 

[keepingthingsreal]

In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.
Hebrews 1:1-2

Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Hebrews 9:26

These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come.
1 Cor 10:11

He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.
1 Peter 1:20

and then we have John who states it was down to the last hour...

Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
I John 2:18

End of one age (last days, latter times, the old covenant) and a transition into the new covenant.

Nope.

None of this pertains to Micah's prophecy.

Mic 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
Mic 4:2
And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Mic 4:3
And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Mic 4:4
But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it.
Mic 4:5
For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever.
Mic 4:6
In that day, saith the LORD, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven out, and her that I have afflicted;
Mic 4:7
And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever.
Mic 4:8
And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.

Have the nations beaten their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks?

No, they have not.

Nave the nations ceased from lifting up a sword against other nations?

No, they have not.

Have the nations ceased from learning war anymore?

No, they have not.

Has the first dominion returned to the daughter of Zion, or has the kingdom come to the daughter of Jerusalem?

No, it has not.

You have answered nothing here. Instead, you have only once again spoken against a prophet of the LORD (Micah). In fact, you are speaking against the prophet Isaiah as well (and other prophets) because he prophesied the same thing that Micah did.

Isa 2:1
The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
Isa 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Isa 2:3
And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Isa 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Does it concern you that you are speaking against the prophets of the LORD (Micah, Isaiah, and others)?

It ought to.

 

[HeIsHere]

Nope.

None of this pertains to Micah's prophecy.

Mic 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
Mic 4:2
And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Mic 4:3
And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Mic 4:4
But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it.
Mic 4:5
For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever.
Mic 4:6
In that day, saith the LORD, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven out, and her that I have afflicted;
Mic 4:7
And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever.
Mic 4:8
And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.

Have the nations beaten their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks?

No, they have not.

Nave the nations ceased from lifting up a sword against other nations?

No, they have not.

Have the nations ceased from learning war anymore?

No, they have not.

Has the first dominion returned to the daughter of Zion, or has the kingdom come to the daughter of Jerusalem?

No, it has not.

You have answered nothing here. Instead, you have only once again spoken against a prophet of the LORD (Micah). In fact, you are speaking against the prophet Isaiah as well (and other prophets) because he prophesied the same thing that Micah did.

Isa 2:1
The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
Isa 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Isa 2:3
And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Isa 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Does it concern you that you are speaking against the prophets of the LORD (Micah, Isaiah, and others)?

It ought to.

I could go on and look at the rest as many scholars have clearly shown how this applies to the "end of the age" but you seem to like to make it personal. sigh

What is spiritual is far more real than what is temporal.
As per a prior member....

(Acts 15:16-17 After this I will return, and I will rebuild the fallen tent of David; I will rebuild its ruins and restore it, so that the rest of humanity may seek the Lord, namely, all the Gentiles I have called to be my own,' says the Lord, who makes these things)

The above is from Amos:

(Amos 9:11 "In that day I will rebuild the collapsing hut of David. I will seal its gaps, repair its ruins, and restore it to what it was like in days gone by.)

The Gentiles were being called "my own" when Peter stated the above, therefore the only conclusion is Peter is claiming a "spiritual" fulfillment of Amos. Now I'm not saying that all prophecies should be "spiritualized", but Peter has set a precedent here.

He further states that David's throne is heavenly and not earthly:

(Acts 2:30 So then, because he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of his descendants on his throne)

(Acts 2:33 So then, exalted to the right hand of God, and having received the promise of the Holy Spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you both see and hear.)

(Acts 2:34 For David did not ascend into heaven, but he himself says, 'The Lord said to my lord, "Sit at my right hand.) etc.

 

[keepingthingsreal]

but you seem to like to make it personal. sigh

What a joke coming from someone like you who regularly demeans the hermeneutics of others while exalting your own in your greatly deceived mind.

As expected, you did not address any of my questions, and we both know why that is.

 

[keepingthingsreal]

I could go on and look at the rest as many scholars have clearly shown how this applies to the "end of the age"

I almost forgot to mention your regular "appeal to authority fallacy."

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/rhetorical-devices/appeal-to-authority-fallacy/

What is the appeal to authority fallacy?

The appeal to authority fallacy is the logical fallacy of saying a claim is true simply because an authority figure made it. This authority figure could be anyone: an instructor, a politician, a well-known academic, an author, or even an individual with experience related to the claim’s subject.

Straw man arguments...appeal to authority arguments...yea, that is what you are actually good at.

Answering straightforward questions?

It would be easier to get blood out of a rock.

I have appointments to keep.

I will check back later for the latest nonsense.

 

[HeIsHere]

I almost forgot to mention your regular "appeal to authority fallacy."

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/rhetorical-devices/appeal-to-authority-fallacy/

What is the appeal to authority fallacy?

The appeal to authority fallacy is the logical fallacy of saying a claim is true simply because an authority figure made it. This authority figure could be anyone: an instructor, a politician, a well-known academic, an author, or even an individual with experience related to the claim’s subject.

Straw man arguments...appeal to authority arguments...yea, that is what you are actually good at.

Answering straightforward questions?

It would be easier to get blood out of a rock.

I have appointments to keep.

I will check back later for the latest nonsense.

"Appeal to authority" only applies in a strict debate scenario in logic arguments with a stated premise.

 

[HeIsHere]

What a joke coming from someone like you who regularly demeans the hermeneutics of others while exalting your own in your greatly deceived mind.

As expected, you did not address any of my questions, and we both know why that is.

There is only one hermeneutic.

 

[HeIsHere]

Could you expand the question. This is along the line of “ a picture is worth a thousand words”.

[2Th 2:3-4 KJV] 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The photo presented could not have happened by accident. If you check Exodus 25 - 40 you will see the origin of the temple. It was a portable sanctuary which was commissioned by God to be built by Moses. The pope is sitting in the position of God.
[Exo 25:8-9, 16-22 KJV] 8 And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them. 9 According to all that I shew thee, [after] the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make [it]. ... 16 And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee. 17 And thou shalt make a mercy seat [of] pure gold: two cubits and a half [shall be] the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof. 18 And thou shalt make two cherubims [of] gold, [of] beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat. 19 And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: [even] of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof. 20 And the cherubims shall stretch forth [their] wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces [shall look] one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be. 21 And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee. 22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which [are] upon the ark of the testimony, of all [things] which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.

Just so I am clear, you think the pope is the antichrist?

 

[rrcn]

Just so I am clear, you think the pope is the antichrist?

His representative, Satan is the created being who is trying to replace his creator, Jesus.

Here is what the Protestant reformers thought and I share their sentiments:

• Martin Luther: "The Pope is the very Antichrist, who has exalted himself above, and opposed himself against Christ, because he will not permit Christians to be saved without his power."
• John Calvin: "The papal authority is the pretended and usurped jurisdiction of the Roman bishop, which was established under the pretense of the Church’s unity and order, and which had so far encroached upon the headship of Christ, that his authority was made subservient to it."
• John Wycliffe: "I deny that the Pope could be the head of the Christian religion. For, blessed Peter, who lived humbly and faithfully with Christ until he was a Martyr in the cause of truth, never exalted himself above Christ, as the Pope does."
• Charles Spurgeon: "We must fight the Lord's battles against the false priesthood and the Popery which have slipped into the Anglican church and we must play the man for the truth of Christ against the cant and superstition of ritualism."
• William Tyndale: "I defy the Pope and all his laws. If God spares my life, ere many years, I will cause a boy that driveth the plough shall know more of the scripture than thou dost."

 

[HeIsHere]

His representative, Satan is the created being who is trying to replace his creator, Jesus.

Here is what the Protestant reformers thought and I share their sentiments:

• Martin Luther: "The Pope is the very Antichrist, who has exalted himself above, and opposed himself against Christ, because he will not permit Christians to be saved without his power."
• John Calvin: "The papal authority is the pretended and usurped jurisdiction of the Roman bishop, which was established under the pretense of the Church’s unity and order, and which had so far encroached upon the headship of Christ, that his authority was made subservient to it."
• John Wycliffe: "I deny that the Pope could be the head of the Christian religion. For, blessed Peter, who lived humbly and faithfully with Christ until he was a Martyr in the cause of truth, never exalted himself above Christ, as the Pope does."
• Charles Spurgeon: "We must fight the Lord's battles against the false priesthood and the Popery which have slipped into the Anglican church and we must play the man for the truth of Christ against the cant and superstition of ritualism."
• William Tyndale: "I defy the Pope and all his laws. If God spares my life, ere many years, I will cause a boy that driveth the plough shall know more of the scripture than thou dost."

I agree with above statements.

Are you also thinking the pope will put forth the mark of the beast?

 

[Omegatime]

The temple may be built and may have many literal fulfillments
But that does not mean it is God's will. People can believe something and make it happen. Self fulfilled.

But we can ask Jesus when He comes with all His angels. Every eye will see Him.

I can not see any reason why God would want the temple built again..

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I agree for the most part but Israel will rebuild the Temple in the first half of the Tribulation. May even begin after the seal judgements

 

[Magenta]

I can not see any reason why God would want the temple built again..

Nor can I. Jesus prophecied the end of Temple worship and indicated it with the cursing of the fig tree, in the week prior to His crucifixion, for He was to be our ultimate sacrifice, slain from the foundation of the world. Temple worship and temple sacrifice is no longer required.

 

[rrcn]

I agree with above statements.

Are you also thinking the pope will put forth the mark of the beast?

Of course, Satan is a consistent foe, when he finds something that works he sticks with it. The plan is already working and the mark if you trust in the Bible only is hiding in plain site though it has not yet been activated. At the present Jesus is holding back the winds until all of his servants have been sealed.

 

[Howdy]

The pope is anti-christ but he is not the antichrist, the man of sin, the beast.
The beast will come out of Islam and his kingdom is Islam.

 

[rrcn]

The pope is anti-christ but he is not the antichrist, the man of sin, the beast.
The beast will come out of Islam and his kingdom is Islam.

Do you have Bible verses which support this statement?

 

[Howdy]

Do you have Bible verses which support this statement?

Do you have verses that support your view.
You first.

 

[rrcn]

Do you have verses that support your view.
You first.

I’ll take that as a no.

 

[SomeDisciple]

(Acts 15:16-17 After this I will return, and I will rebuild the fallen tent of David; I will rebuild its ruins and restore it, so that the rest of humanity may seek the Lord, namely, all the Gentiles I have called to be my own,' says the Lord, who makes these things)

The above is from Amos:

(Amos 9:11 "In that day I will rebuild the collapsing hut of David. I will seal its gaps, repair its ruins, and restore it to what it was like in days gone by.)

The Gentiles were being called "my own" when Peter stated the above, therefore the only conclusion is Peter is claiming a "spiritual" fulfillment of Amos. Now I'm not saying that all prophecies should be "spiritualized", but Peter has set a precedent here.

If you include Amos 9 v12 Peter is saying the same thing as Amos.

Do you understand this? Do you know what the Tabernacle of David is?