The elephant in the room

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pinebeach said:
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so you don't believe we can make choices? that is what it sounds like. I don't think you understand the repercussions of what you
are saying. the Bible plainly illustrates a permissive will of God while the perfect will He accomplishes continues. we are not puppets despite all the calvinists here telling us about their superior salvation.
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It is a very deep discussion.
Whatever under my control, I am responsible to follow God.
Whatever out of mt control, it is in God's hand.
Joseph s brothers meant it evil, God meant it good.
If I were Joe s brother today , I should follow God and not to sell Joe.
but now someone else is Joe s brother, I can't do nothing, out of my control. So it is in God's control.
 

Hebrews 13​

14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.

2 Peter 3​

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
 
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Churchgoer said:
It is a very deep discussion.
Whatever under my control, I am responsible to follow God.
Whatever out of mt control, it is in God's hand.
Joseph s brothers meant it evil, God meant it good.
If I were Joe s brother today , I should follow God and not to sell Joe.
but now someone else is Joe s brother, I can't do nothing, out of my control. So it is in God's control.
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Now if I am Joe s brother, and I still advocating of selling Joe and lie to my father.
GOD WILL surely hold me responsible.
 
pinebeach said:
I hesitated to write some of what I did because I am pretty private both in life and in these forums. But I think the times are such that being 'shy' may be past and time to speak up.

thanks for your input. Yes, White is seriously spiritually 'deranged'. I never had a 'good' feeling about Vance and yeah, he is practicing spiritism whether he knows it or not. Directly in major conflict with Gods desires for us

The world is on fire and no amount of running around with a word hose is going to put it out. I think there is still time but being forwarned is forearmed as they say. Thanks again
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The world is absolutely on fire right now, and I go keep going back and forth between the following -

1. Game over, end of the world, we're done. Are we there?
2. Historically, there have always been dark periods of evil followed by a resurgence of faith. Are we there?

I don't know yet, but of course I'll keep watching. I imagine those living through Hitler's time felt much as we do. I'll just continue to pray for nations to repent and turn back to God, for God to bless us through these evil times. Blessings to you!
 
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dkontner said:

Hebrews 13​

14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.

2 Peter 3​

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
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The interesting thing about Hebrews, is since its centred on Jerusalem, thats where the Hebrews were looking - the temple.

It is the capital of both Israel and Judah, or it was, before it was sort of sacked and nearly destroyed (as was the temple) at various times had come under both Roman, Christian and Islamic rule.

I have never lived or been to Jerusalem, am not Jewish, but, the New Jerusalem sounds awesome.

Living in the city I live in now, and grew up in, is an experience...because its always growing. Its always expanding. It's a port city and the centre of commerce. It's not the capital, but its definitely the biggest city in NZ (aka the big smoke, city of sails) other cities in NZ are envious of it, and there is a totally different feel to it, it has a vibe like no other.

Now people loved or loved Christchurch...but it has a reputation for crime, people call it Crimechurch. There have been. many tragic things happen in Christchurch...among them shootings, rapes, racism, neo nazism, earthquake (which my brother was in - he survived though) as well as good things like the beautiful gardens. Its a very Anglican town, as was founded by them when the first settlers arrived, it being a bit too cold for the Maori. I can't live there, too cold for me, but nice to visit. I haven't been back since the earthquakes, so it's been some time.
 
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Some people get their kicks from watching the world burn, like rubberneckers or what Jonah wanted to do with Ninevah.

He didn't want to warn them about the destruction of their city, because he didn't like the Ninevites and didn't want to bother about them. It took a whale to swallow him whole before he could get there. But guess what happened? the Ninevites repented!
 
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It will be very interesting if say, an Elephant arrived in Jerusalem instead of horses, donkeys or camels.

That would certainly get people's attention.
 
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2 Corinthians 4​

17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
 
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Nowadays if people want to invade a country, they just send a missile, or bomb, or hijack an airplane.

they not sending Trojan horses anymore.
 
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The calvary are coming..in St John's ambulances. Or Westpac rescue helicopters.
This is what it's like in NZ.
Unfortunately sometimes it's like the ambulances are at the bottom of the cliff.
 
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pinebeach said:
As if I could do anything else? Listen....I pray and I have had this unease for some time. I am not saying I alone pray...far from it...but what if my concern is actually a result of praying? And seeing the handwriting on the wall?


More sports....a great panacea for the middle class who are actually the ones to turn the vote one way or the other

But you know....let's have a wrestling match at the White House, the freedom 250 grand prix in DC and now a vendetta against Canada while the Iran debacle continues. You can't make this stuff up. I am not worried or fearful. I am simply praying about what choices I should personally make because I do have other choices then living here.
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Keep seeking my friend...a answer will be given to your unrest.
 
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Lanolin said:
The calvary are coming..in St John's ambulances. Or Westpac rescue helicopters.
This is what it's like in NZ.
Unfortunately sometimes it's like the ambulances are at the bottom of the cliff.
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Sad.

Keep sharing your thoughts sister.

Those whose Elephant is hatred for others are showing us who they are here.

I thought bullys and disruptors were on atheist forums.
Bummer.
 
pinebeach said:
I hesitated to write some of what I did because I am pretty private both in life and in these forums. But I think the times are such that being 'shy' may be past and time to speak up.

thanks for your input. Yes, White is seriously spiritually 'deranged'. I never had a 'good' feeling about Vance and yeah, he is practicing spiritism whether he knows it or not. Directly in major conflict with Gods desires for us

The world is on fire and no amount of running around with a word hose is going to put it out. I think there is still time but being forwarned is forearmed as they say. Thanks again
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I hesitated to write some of what I did because I am pretty private both in life and in these forums. But I think the times are such that being 'shy' may be past and time to speak up.

And that my friend is what this thread is all about......no judgment here no debate simply expressing what your spirit feels. Thank you.
 
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God-fearing said:
I hesitated to write some of what I did because I am pretty private both in life and in these forums. But I think the times are such that being 'shy' may be past and time to speak up.

And that my friend is what this thread is all about......no judgment here no debate simply expressing what your spirit feels. Thank you.
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Thats why Lanolin was attacked. And members were told to put her on ignore.
 
Lanolin said:
Nowadays if people want to invade a country, they just send a missile, or bomb, or hijack an airplane.

they not sending Trojan horses anymore.
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Oh I think that Trojan horse is opening up right now...in Europe as well as the U.S.
When you flee from a country its to escape what ever it is that caused that flight....it is not to establish your former country ways and laws....that's invasion.
I believe the story of Ruths conversation to her mother in law testifies to that .
 
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God-fearing said:
It seems strange to me that there are no threads about what is happening in the world today.
Especially with the U.S. and Iran war, Europe's invasion of Islam, the U.S states being slowly taken over by Muslim population.
Do you find it hard to not be political with these events and rather then to be silent?
I believe the church must have a loud voice in these matters for we were all born for such a time as this.
I believe we are in the last days and the soon return of our great king and savior JESUS CHRIST.
I've seen alot of post with some knowledgeable saints here knowing history and scripture, so let us come together and learn from one another.
Let me begin the conversation with possibly a not so well known fact.

During ww2 many Muslims put there lives in danger and almost certain death aiding the jews to escape the terror of Hitlers nightmare.
Hiding them and even providing transportation to other countries including the middle east.
So what has changed since then? Why was it only when the jews returned to the land that enmity began?
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Islam is going to take over Europe that is for certain. Nothing can stop it as the europeans want open borders and the birth rates are abysmally low.

What changed since 1948? The state of Israel and the expulsion of the Arab population in the land. They say it belongs to them, the Jews say it belongs to them as well. Britain didn't do anyone any favors by basically double talking to both Jews and Arabs.
 
You can dial/call 111 in an emergency, but you can also cry out to God

God may be quicker. Jeremiah 3:33
 
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