The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation
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John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. NOWHERE did Jesus say, "whoever is not baptized will be condemned." So, what did Jesus say in (John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) *What happened to baptism? Your trust is in water baptism + an "in Jesus' name only" formula used when baptizing for salvation and is not in Jesus.
Placing our trust in Jesus means that we are trusting 100% in Him alone for salvation and not in Him + plus something else which would then render Christ an IN-sufficient Savior. Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. (Romans 3:24-28) No supplements needed. (Romans 4:5-6; 11:6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9) Jesus is the only way. (John 10:9; 14:6; Acts 4:12)
Seeing that we have the example of the thief on the cross being given a death state conversion can you provide me Scripture that proves the sentiments within your post?
The experience Jesus referenced in Acts 1:8 was recorded in Acts 2:4. The account specifically states the individuals were filled with the Holy Ghost:
"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."
Yes, Jesus said people will be judged for rejecting Him as well as rejecting His words. And He said those who believe and are baptized shall be saved. (Mark 16:15-16)
John 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Jesus clarifies the first clause of Mark 16:16 with the second, "but he who does not believe will be condemned" so the first clause describes general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized. The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely necessary for salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief and not on a lack of baptism. *NOWHERE does the Bible say, "baptized or condemned."
If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then we would expect Jesus to mention it in the following verses. (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) Yet what is the 1 requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics. If he who believes will be saved, then he who believes and is baptized will be saved as well, yet nowhere did Jesus say that whoever is not baptized will be condemned.
So, who is it that rejects Christ and does not receive His words? John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
I was saying you made a good point and used scripture so I eas predicting that you would get deflection and avoidance of what you posted rather than a response according to what you said .
it eas just an observance of how the conversation had been going as I read it backwards . When a good scriptural post is made it gets deflected and avoided because no one wants to acknowledge anything
“I was implying that it's silly to say that someone who is baptized by someone who uses the formula 'in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit' instead of 'in Jesus name' only won't be saved.”
yeah no one should be trying to decide who’s gonna be saved that’s not our place. It’s actually self harming to do that …..But can I ask you a question ?
What is baptism about ? Why is it in our doctrine ?
Firstly, you can't say that a person can't be saved on their deathbed. The devil is a liar.
You tell people they are going to hell if they have not been baptized in Jesus' name; now you say those who called out to Jesus in forgiveness will not be forgiven if they repent for a life of sin before they die.
What a lying, foolish, imbecilic thing to say and unbiblical. Do you think you are God now?
Thank God for Obedient, Real Christians who go to Hospitals and minister the Gospel of Jesus Christ to those who may have never heard of the Lord Jesus Christ.
I will provide you with one great example of a Deathbed conversation that God had with a man on his dying bed.
Charlie McCoy, 78 years old, living in Shenandoah, Iowa. I live in California. My old navy Buddy Tom Duab, who will gladly testify to this testimony, who I led to the lord.
He called me at 8 am his time, which was 6 am my time. He asked me to pray for his friend Charlie, who had pneumonia and was in the hospital. I asked two questions. I asked Charlie, "Has anyone ever told you that Jesus loves you." He said to me, "I don't believe anyone has ever told me that ever. " Imedieley, I said to Charlie, Let me be the first to do so and tell that Jesus Loves you. The second question is: Has anyone ever told you that Jesus has a plan for your life? He said, "No."
I have begun to tell him about Jesus, how He saved me and forgave my sins, and how no day is promised to us. I read to him Romans chapter 10, verses 8-11, and John 3:16-19, which explain how all have sinned and fallen short of God's holy standard of righteousness.
I asked Charles, 'Do you have any regrets and things you are sorry for?' He said to many. I explained what Jesus did for us on the cross and how he took the sins of the world onto Himself.
I told Charlie his sins, too. Charlie repented of his sins and asked Jesus to come into his life and wept greatly there in that hospital bed as Tom was with him. Charlie received Jesus as his Lord and Savior. I asked Charlie to raise his hands to the Lord and thank God for what he had done. Charlie did something he had never done before that day: he prayed, thanked God, and worshiped Him.
I hung up the phone a little after 7am. 5:30 PM Iowa time Charlie did not leave the hospital. His heart gave, and he died just about 8 1/2 hours later from my phone call.
Are you saying Charlie is in hell because he was not baptized in Jesus' name, and there is no bedside conversion?
Brother baotism was instituted by God for remission of sins in Jesus name .
the people insist to g it’s not part of Gods doctrine are the ones trying to take control away from him . He’s the one who put baptism in the doctrine.
When you guys are saying “ water baptism “ Your talking about Gods design here’s a man commanded to baptize who’s just been filled with the holy ghost
“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
Acts 8:35-38 KJV
Baptism is done in water That’s not something man later created . Those who try to remove baotism and create different baptisms are the ones changing Gods word then telling others “ they are adding in baptism “
jesus commanded baptism
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”
Matthew 28:19 KJV
“and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
Luke 24:46-47 KJV
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.”
Acts 2:38-40 KJV
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
baptism is of God it’s Something Jesus Christ did , something All of his apostles did , something the original church after pentocost all did …. Something bible clearly teaches they were all doing by not the command of men but command of Jesus Christ the lord
It’s really crazy why people can’t seem to see baptism throughout the doctrine or why we then create other forms of baptism
“Then answered Peter , Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:47-48
baptism is done in water and on Jesus name because he’s the one who died for our sins it’s about remission of sins in his name
The arguments are crazy
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
Romans 6:3-4
yea but that’s not “ water “ baptism in Jesus name for remission of sins …..even though it’s explaining how our sins were remitted in Christ through baptism ….
“in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;”
Colossians 2:11-13 KJV
Nope baptism in Jesus name “in water “has nothing to do with forgivness of sins or circumcising the flesh nature…. We don’t need to be baptized ….
“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:27-29 KJV
Bit …..baptism doesn’t mean anything it’s a ritual …. Or there’s a magical baptism not water baptism in Jesus name for remission of sins ……..
there are two baptism or three of four
“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord,( jesus ) one faith, ( Christ n Jesus ) one baptism,”( Jesus n jesus name )
Ephesians 4:4-5 KJV
Yeah but not water tough the apostles had it all wrong
“And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
Acts 8:38 KJV
That’s not the one baptism no …….it’s ridiculous discussing baptism or reqlly any subject here
A Roman soldier thrust a spear through Jesus’ side, piercing both the lungs and the heart" Blood and water came" from His side, just as John recorded in his Gospel (John 19:34). Dear Wansvic, you who seek wisdom and understanding, can you discern that the lord Jesus Christ is all things?
The Suffering Servant
…4Surely He took on our infirmities and carried our sorrows; yet we considered Him stricken by God, struck down and afflicted. 5But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed. 6We all like sheep have gone astray, each one has turned to his own
Your comment was so silly I almost did not reply but here we go.
It would be wrong of me to insist they "only" or "alone" be shoehorned into this verse, just as it is wrong to do the same in any verse.
Agreed?
Water is not mentioned in this verse but baptism is commanded. So are you suggesting that Peter was commanding the following.
"Brothers what must we do?"
"Repent and be Holy Spirit baptized for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."
The ministries of John the Baptist and Jesus Christ was a ministry of water baptism for the forgiveness of sins. There is no way around this truth!
John 3:26 They came to John and said to him, “Rabbi, that man who was with you on the other side of the Jordan—the one you testified about—look, he is baptizing, and everyone is going to him.”
1st Cor. 4:6 clearly condemns the faith alone regeneration theology pushers. It's in the very name of the theology.
Dear Wansvic, is Jesus not everything? In Jesus’ death on the cross, we see that love does not deny reality or offer cheap grace. Love acknowledges sin’s painful consequences and offers costly forgiveness. Love is willing to lay down its life for its friends. Love, at its core, is actionable and can sometimes be painful. But it is always filled with hope. To love like Christ is to choose to see the humanity in others' fists and to believe that the sacrifice that love entails is always worth it. Since fear is no longer in the driver’s seat, we can choose to love every day, in little and big ways, without worrying about what it will mean for our well-being. God bless you, brother.
Agreed and the New Testament companion verses after fulfillment
“For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.”
1 Peter 2:21-25 KJV
Water baptism signifies being buried with Christ in death and raised to walk in newness of life. Baptism is a symbol of salvation in that it pictures Christ's death, burial and resurrection and our identification with Him as our Savior. In reality, believers are literally saved by what baptism symbolizes, the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. (Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4)