The Error of KJV-Onlyism
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Why not study the original language? We have at least one KJVonly person participating on this thread that believes in the false doctrine of loss of salvation. The original language puts even more emphasis on the truth of eternal security of the believer.
JOH 5:24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My Word, and believes Him Who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.”
"Truly,truly" is a sentential participle. It puts emphasis on what is being said. A point of doctrine. Pay very close attention, because this will be attacked by the kingdom of darkness! It's a tremendously important point of doctrine.
"does not come into judgement" ~~ kai eis krisin ouk erchetai[and into judgment not comes] Notice 'ouk' in the phrase. When it is joined to a verb(judgement), it is used to strongly deny that this will NEVER NO,NEVER happen to the subject. The believer emphatically NEVER comes into judgement, not ever.
erchetai~~~~ comes. It is in the present tense.........This habitually continues to be true. And it is in the middle voice,indicating that someone else did the work and the subject(believer) benefits from it.
All this is at our finger tips. Why not utilize it? It helps us to defend the Faith and it helps us grow in His grace and knowledge. We can't get this 'bonus' material from reading English.
https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Greek_Index.htm
https://www.preceptaustin.org/
JOH 5:24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My Word, and believes Him Who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.”
"Truly,truly" is a sentential participle. It puts emphasis on what is being said. A point of doctrine. Pay very close attention, because this will be attacked by the kingdom of darkness! It's a tremendously important point of doctrine.
"does not come into judgement" ~~ kai eis krisin ouk erchetai[and into judgment not comes] Notice 'ouk' in the phrase. When it is joined to a verb(judgement), it is used to strongly deny that this will NEVER NO,NEVER happen to the subject. The believer emphatically NEVER comes into judgement, not ever.
erchetai~~~~ comes. It is in the present tense.........This habitually continues to be true. And it is in the middle voice,indicating that someone else did the work and the subject(believer) benefits from it.
All this is at our finger tips. Why not utilize it? It helps us to defend the Faith and it helps us grow in His grace and knowledge. We can't get this 'bonus' material from reading English.
https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Greek_Index.htm
https://www.preceptaustin.org/
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Thanks, I'm glad you able to utilize such tools For Emphasis.
But, some of us are simpletons, eh?
And, my spanish-speaking 'amigos' would give me strange looks, if I started to
tell them "Way More ( Hebrew and Greek ) information" than a simple English
to Spanish conversation, that being Enough language 'scholarship' for them,
being simpletons also, eh?
Does God Really Want His Simple Will to be turned in Complexity, since
even "trained theologians" can't even agree with each other?
Where is the "bonus material" of The Simplicity of Christ?
Amen.
But, some of us are simpletons, eh?
And, my spanish-speaking 'amigos' would give me strange looks, if I started to
tell them "Way More ( Hebrew and Greek ) information" than a simple English
to Spanish conversation, that being Enough language 'scholarship' for them,
being simpletons also, eh?
Does God Really Want His Simple Will to be turned in Complexity, since
even "trained theologians" can't even agree with each other?
Where is the "bonus material" of The Simplicity of Christ?
Amen.
Thanks, I'm glad you able to utilize such tools For Emphasis.
But, some of us are simpletons, eh?
And, my spanish-speaking 'amigos' would give me strange looks, if I started to
tell them "Way More ( Hebrew and Greek ) information" than a simple English
to Spanish conversation, that being Enough language 'scholarship' for them,
being simpletons also, eh?
Does God Really Want His Simple Will to be turned in Complexity, since
even "trained theologians" can't even agree with each other?
Where is the "bonus material" of The Simplicity of Christ?
Amen.
But, some of us are simpletons, eh?
And, my spanish-speaking 'amigos' would give me strange looks, if I started to
tell them "Way More ( Hebrew and Greek ) information" than a simple English
to Spanish conversation, that being Enough language 'scholarship' for them,
being simpletons also, eh?
Does God Really Want His Simple Will to be turned in Complexity, since
even "trained theologians" can't even agree with each other?
Where is the "bonus material" of The Simplicity of Christ?
Amen.
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Y'know, if these KJV-only types start doing their homework, learning the original languages, and getting proper understanding of the text, they're going to stop arguing in favour of the KJV and get on with being decent Christian folks. Are you sure that's what you want?
Just curious though,,,if they do in 1465BCE,(approx) when Moses wrote those books wouldn't he have written them in Proto Sinaitic or Paleo Hebrew script and not the modern Hebrew? Not that I'm a KJV only thinker, I'm not just that the oldest copies we have were translated into the Hebrew we have today...
I wanted to say this to you while I can, due to my health and circumstances I do not know how long I have left I have almost died seven times in the year 2023 and part of me can hear the church bells the other part speaks of life and the ability to give it in abundence the church bells ring of death it is a solem and almost emotionless sound but at the same time I feel a fire not a normal one when I first encountered the holy spirit I saw him as a flame made of raindow colors the colors themsevles were not just vivid but they themselves seemed to burn
If you as his child touched it would start from your hand flowing to your arm and consumming you entire it is full of this energy that makes your soul quicken awaken shoot up
But for the enemy for the darkness it burns them intensely it scorches them inside and out they cannot stand his holy pure cleansing flame
But even more than this I want to express to you how very much you have helped me.
I have never known a mothers love before you and as cheesy and embarrising that may sound not everyone had an actual mother anyone reading my testimony knows how my life began in fact it was one of the worst cases of abuse in texas I even recalled memories I buried later in my life reminding me of the sexual abuse the satanic rituals and many other things that are not appropriate to speak online
I am 33 but am no means that age mentally if age is just a number then I am living proof I am by no means an adult not ust because of the brain damage but because it has always just been who I am people tell me I have a sense of innocence about me I am a child in every sense of the word if you saw me in real life you might mistake me for a teenager
perhaps this was designed maybe I was meant to to experience the world of an adult but yet retain the heart of a child but even psycological studies have shown the damage of a child growing up without a mother it is the same idea of motherly instincts but in reverse
Even though I am not blood and with my age you took me on as your son at least online but if we were in person I would hug you so hard it may be pathetic in some eyes but some peoplemay see something more something past that blood age what does that matter in the same way a mother with motherly instincts does not decide who is their child a child doesn't consider blood or age as to is their mother and sadly I am not like most people
i am not afraid to speak my heart and it often times seems odd or strange but whether I pass away or he allows me to keep going I wanted to tell you how much it means to me the wounds that are being mended by you taking me in as your own whether by guestere an online only relationship or actually accepteing me as your own I got a taste of what
i never knewand I am sorry I was never blood had I had someone like you growing up I would not be so severely damaged as I am but your actual children are blessed
If you as his child touched it would start from your hand flowing to your arm and consumming you entire it is full of this energy that makes your soul quicken awaken shoot up
But for the enemy for the darkness it burns them intensely it scorches them inside and out they cannot stand his holy pure cleansing flame
But even more than this I want to express to you how very much you have helped me.
I have never known a mothers love before you and as cheesy and embarrising that may sound not everyone had an actual mother anyone reading my testimony knows how my life began in fact it was one of the worst cases of abuse in texas I even recalled memories I buried later in my life reminding me of the sexual abuse the satanic rituals and many other things that are not appropriate to speak online
I am 33 but am no means that age mentally if age is just a number then I am living proof I am by no means an adult not ust because of the brain damage but because it has always just been who I am people tell me I have a sense of innocence about me I am a child in every sense of the word if you saw me in real life you might mistake me for a teenager
perhaps this was designed maybe I was meant to to experience the world of an adult but yet retain the heart of a child but even psycological studies have shown the damage of a child growing up without a mother it is the same idea of motherly instincts but in reverse
Even though I am not blood and with my age you took me on as your son at least online but if we were in person I would hug you so hard it may be pathetic in some eyes but some peoplemay see something more something past that blood age what does that matter in the same way a mother with motherly instincts does not decide who is their child a child doesn't consider blood or age as to is their mother and sadly I am not like most people
i am not afraid to speak my heart and it often times seems odd or strange but whether I pass away or he allows me to keep going I wanted to tell you how much it means to me the wounds that are being mended by you taking me in as your own whether by guestere an online only relationship or actually accepteing me as your own I got a taste of what
i never knewand I am sorry I was never blood had I had someone like you growing up I would not be so severely damaged as I am but your actual children are blessed
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Oh believe me I am by no means at my best I am in a very dark place a place of uncertanty my life may become much worse or if God intervenes it could be for the better I have never needed a miracle more than now
But I am here I am willing even at my worst to be honest I am worn weary I struggle to even do anything anymore not only physically but any aspect you can think I knew the cost I still stand by everything I said from the start but I have also never known this level of spiritual warfare
even the strongest of warriors have their limits and if no one is there to catch you when you fall to help you stand again then will always show how we ourselves are not enough no one wins a war by a single strong warrior but the streght of others the companions the bonds forged
I have no such bonds no companions to catch me so I am broken and defeated like I am now all I have is him
So if I speak of anything good it is not because I am ok but as I always say to him I am here I am willing use me.
But I am here I am willing even at my worst to be honest I am worn weary I struggle to even do anything anymore not only physically but any aspect you can think I knew the cost I still stand by everything I said from the start but I have also never known this level of spiritual warfare
even the strongest of warriors have their limits and if no one is there to catch you when you fall to help you stand again then will always show how we ourselves are not enough no one wins a war by a single strong warrior but the streght of others the companions the bonds forged
I have no such bonds no companions to catch me so I am broken and defeated like I am now all I have is him
So if I speak of anything good it is not because I am ok but as I always say to him I am here I am willing use me.
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Yes, I should have changed "they have" to "has," to maintain grammatical agreement between the singular noun "homonym" and its singular verb "has."
So I should have said, "A homonym is a word that looks and sounds the same but has different meanings."
But let's be fair here. Please spell-check the spelling and grammar of all the non-KJB-only folks in this thread here, too. I am sure they would love it.
*Sigh* Uh, no. I was not saying "Book" and "Scroll" are related homonyms. I was saying that the word "Book" can have different meanings, and scroll can be one of those definitions. If you were paying attention, I gave some examples of some homonyms in this thread like the word "repent." I am saying that the word "book" is like this:
1. Book (Noun): A written work or composition that is considered a classic or exemplary in its field.
Example: "'To Kill a Mockingbird' is a classic book in American literature."
2. Book (Verb): To detain or arrest someone, especially a suspect.
Example: "The police decided to book the suspect after questioning."
3. Book (Verb): To reserve or schedule something in advance.
Example: "I would like to book a table for two at the restaurant."
4. Book (Verb): To move quickly; to run or rush.
Example: "He decided to book it to the bus stop before it started raining."
5. Book (Noun): Scroll.
Example: "In the dimly lit archive, the archivist carefully cataloged each book,
preserving the knowledge contained within the aged scrolls."
These are examples of the word "book" being a homonym.
It was just meant to be a quick example. I was not writing a book, no pun intended.
Honestly. How many people even know that?
But great. It's a "triple homophone" or "trihomograph."
In his video, Brandon Peterson actually points out the verses in Revelation.
Isaiah 34 is talking about nations, which would be Gentile nations.
Looking at Isaiah 34:4, we can see that it parallels Revelation 6:13-14.
Isaiah 34:10 matches up with Revelation 19:3.
Isaiah 34:13-15 lines up with Revelation 18:2, and the unclean birds (fowl) in Leviticus 11:13-17.
Really, the video is a thousand times more informative.
So I should have said, "A homonym is a word that looks and sounds the same but has different meanings."
But let's be fair here. Please spell-check the spelling and grammar of all the non-KJB-only folks in this thread here, too. I am sure they would love it.
*Sigh* Uh, no. I was not saying "Book" and "Scroll" are related homonyms. I was saying that the word "Book" can have different meanings, and scroll can be one of those definitions. If you were paying attention, I gave some examples of some homonyms in this thread like the word "repent." I am saying that the word "book" is like this:
1. Book (Noun): A written work or composition that is considered a classic or exemplary in its field.
Example: "'To Kill a Mockingbird' is a classic book in American literature."
2. Book (Verb): To detain or arrest someone, especially a suspect.
Example: "The police decided to book the suspect after questioning."
3. Book (Verb): To reserve or schedule something in advance.
Example: "I would like to book a table for two at the restaurant."
4. Book (Verb): To move quickly; to run or rush.
Example: "He decided to book it to the bus stop before it started raining."
5. Book (Noun): Scroll.
Example: "In the dimly lit archive, the archivist carefully cataloged each book,
preserving the knowledge contained within the aged scrolls."
These are examples of the word "book" being a homonym.
It was just meant to be a quick example. I was not writing a book, no pun intended.
Honestly. How many people even know that?
But great. It's a "triple homophone" or "trihomograph."
In his video, Brandon Peterson actually points out the verses in Revelation.
Isaiah 34 is talking about nations, which would be Gentile nations.
Looking at Isaiah 34:4, we can see that it parallels Revelation 6:13-14.
Isaiah 34:10 matches up with Revelation 19:3.
Isaiah 34:13-15 lines up with Revelation 18:2, and the unclean birds (fowl) in Leviticus 11:13-17.
Really, the video is a thousand times more informative.
I guess it's possible; I don't know the relevant dates.
In 14'th century BCE(Moses lifetime) in that area there was Egyptian Hieroglyphic, Proto Sinaitic,Paleo Phoenician ect. but Paleo Hebrew(we refer to as Biblical Hebrew) was not used for another 4 hundred years or so after Moses died in the 10th century BCE(times of David,Saul,Samuel ect)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Sinaitic_script
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hebrew#Phonology
https://www.biblestudy.org/beginner/timelineot.html
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no way you even darth vadar reading the bible? oh boy if I wanted to listen to the word before the starwars geek in me is even more excitied that could actually bring a lot people to listen to his word and be saved did you know there is a section in nasa called c3po? the world is ruled by nerds and geeks it is awesome.
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Erasmus was committed to the idea of ad fontes, or going back to the original sources, to understand and study the Scriptures. His work involved comparing various manuscripts of the New Testament and using his linguistic skills to create a more reliable and authentic text. While he was critical of certain aspects of the existing Latin Vulgate translation, he did not oppose the preservation of the Scriptures but rather sought to improve the accuracy of the biblical text.
The difference between the Modern Textual Critic and those men who were trying to translate texts from previous manuscripts of the past is that the Modern Textual Critic does not believe in the Preservation of Scripture and they see the text as in a constant state of evolution. The sea of 900 Modern Bibles proves that the Modern Textual Critic's goal is money or having a job and or notoriety. You would think by now they would have a one-settled text that they can all agree upon. Many of them do use the Nestle and Aland, but even that changes every few years. No end in sight in what the text says and all Bibles have errors in them. This is the state of Modern Textual Criticism and it will never end. No Bible will ever truly exist that they can call the "Book of the Lord."
The difference between the Modern Textual Critic and those men who were trying to translate texts from previous manuscripts of the past is that the Modern Textual Critic does not believe in the Preservation of Scripture and they see the text as in a constant state of evolution. The sea of 900 Modern Bibles proves that the Modern Textual Critic's goal is money or having a job and or notoriety. You would think by now they would have a one-settled text that they can all agree upon. Many of them do use the Nestle and Aland, but even that changes every few years. No end in sight in what the text says and all Bibles have errors in them. This is the state of Modern Textual Criticism and it will never end. No Bible will ever truly exist that they can call the "Book of the Lord."
Interesting fact:
I just found out that some people actually believe that Shakespeare wrote the KJ
I just found out that some people actually believe that Shakespeare wrote the KJ
I have yet to find as many whine and complain about it being too hard to read.
There are still plays performed using the early scripts.
The issue isn't that the KJV needs to be dumbed down for those who are nearly illiterate. I think it reasonable if they simply try to learn how to read and expand their vocabulary.
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