The heresies of the few

[Sirk]

If he had good taste, how many of his friends on here would be friends? Certainly not me. Viva bad taste! lol

haha...of course I have good taste!

 

[atwhatcost]

And really? Name Calling? Are we back in grade school?

And really? No part of you doesn't just want to do the same to JIA?

I've been watching the miniseries "Pacific" the last week or so. It's what happened to a group of Marines during WWII... well, you can guess where by the title. There was one island they fought on and it was Day 21 of nonstop fighting. A group of Marines were walking back from the front lines. They were filthy, bloody, and wounded. Mostly they had a vacancy in their eyes that haunts anyone who sees it. The group the miniseries is about where the guys called up to be the front-line next. They were giving the battle weary group encouragement, nods and cigarettes as they past each other. That was the beginning of that episode.

Two days later that group returned. They lost most of the lifers (guys who chose to stay in the military after enlistment, so they were battle hard men.) That was just one of equally horrendous things that happened while they were fighting. And when they returned, the viewpoint was different. They hardly saw people giving them nods. They accepted the cigs, but didn't hear the encouragement. (I could see others giving it to them, but couldn't hear it.)

Yes, JIA jumped the gun on you. It was probably unwarranted. But understand he's been in the front-lines for a long time. When you've been here three months, (and he's been here for nine months), see if you don't start wearing thin too.

Don't be fooled. Serving God is war and there is an enemy. And, yes, you're still being congratulated for saying things the enemy doesn't dare say on this thread. (Have you yet noticed the three people "liking" everything you say aren't speaking themselves? They're not shy. They just know we will not accept their manure they dish out. They don't yet know if you will, but they're hoping. The fourth is speaking. She's still new too, so hasn't yet noticed most of us have caught on to her different-gospel yet.)

 

[atwhatcost]

So, you're what, a cheerleader for your word of "faith" buddies? Do they pay you to suck their kneecaps? Sorry, but you seem very confused then, first all namby pamby, criticizing everybody for not being the paragon of love and virtue you seem to esteem yourself as, now getting apoplectic and spitting venom? Maybe there's a thread for the confused? A psychoanalysis forum better suited to your needs?

He's both new and confused. That's what he is!

And, no. No need for a thread for the confused. Time resolves confusion. Being angry at a newbie doesn't resolve.

 

[FancyNancy]

I felt the same way when I was new. (Notice that was April.) Even included a thread called "Us and Them." Guess what? It is Us against Them -- Christians against heretics. And guess what else? The four names I see right now now liked your post are the heretics. They're wooing you, just like they tried to woo me when I was new.

Once they realized I'm not easy, now their horns show toward me. Who do you think is causing the hate? "Them!" Those who have skipped God's word to create individualized gods that they expect everyone to buy, or suddenly no more love. No more love already even among the heretics.

If we were talking hate, we wouldn't be talking about protecting the newbies, about whether we should keep trying to talk to them or whether we should ignore them in hope of them getting bored and going away to protect the newbies or the babes in Christ. We'd also be hating on each other like they show hate.

I don't expect you to believe me, but hang around a month or two and you'll catch on. This site does have heretics. And yes, that makes them "Thems." They certainly aren't Christians.

Wow..more name calling. I'm far from a heretic, madame, and my thrust is not to prove people wrong, but to make sure the weak among us, and especially babes in Christ who do not post, but READ, get the truth. So, in effect, we have heretics calling people heretics---way too much and far too easily. The malice begins with a few here---cronies---and it is outrageous, to say the least. That they cannot recognize who are strong, right-thinking believers and who are not is a problem for the tenor of this site, for you and a few others have been infected with a mob mentality, patting each other on the back with chortles and joshing at each insulting and insinuating claim, and then loudly declare yourselves the only carriers of truth on this site. It's rather juvenile...high school.

The body of Christ is not a battlefield...but Satan gets his nose in there and stirs up the antipathy, and...look out. We need a full site deliverance.

This is not of Christ. Not. In. The. Least. I am sorry about having to say this, but it is said with both sadness and dismay.

 

[atwhatcost]

Makes sense....what is it in you that frustrates you? I ask myself this question when someone offends me in some way.

You weren't asking me, but I'll answer anyway. Number one way to frustrate me is to act like me! lol

Just because so many don't get that, I still maintain that parents lock horns the most often with the child who is most like them. They see the parts of themselves they don't like in the child and it annoys them. I don't have kids, so I notice it with people that act like me. Seriously! I bother me the most, so don't act like me, and we'll get along.

 

[Sirk]

You weren't asking me, but I'll answer anyway. Number one way to frustrate me is to act like me! lol

Just because so many don't get that, I still maintain that parents lock horns the most often with the child who is most like them. They see the parts of themselves they don't like in the child and it annoys them. I don't have kids, so I notice it with people that act like me. Seriously! I bother me the most, so don't act like me, and we'll get along.

Thats funny...this reminded me of something. Did you know that a person will likely marry someone who is like the parent that they had the worst relationship with?

 

[atwhatcost]

Difference of opinion should never be a reason to ignore anyone. I tend to ignore those who do not directly respond to my posts; and who hijack every thread to bait rancor and hostility.

Hm, got it wrong again. I thought you had the patience not to ignore anyone. lol

 

[atwhatcost]

I really don't think I will be sticking around. Thanks for the advice though.

Did you decide on the best neighborhood for you by one day or did you investigate? Investigate more. I suspect you'll stay until you get that front-line vacancy look. By then you'll know your band of brothers though.

 

[atwhatcost]

What do you mean by this ???

If you are referring to the site is only going to allow those who believe in one type of doctrine on here then that change is not a good one. If they are going to start kicking all of those out who show hatred and mistreatment of others, then yes that is a good change.

Note title of this thread:
[h=2]The heresies of the few[/h]
Big difference between that and [h=2]The disagreements of the many[/h]

 

[Gr8grace]

Some of you may have seen a post I put up addressing "atwhatcost's" question about what to do when confronted with deliberately of misguidedly posted false teachings. If you haven't seen it, it can be found here.

There continue to be a number of these false teachings posted lately by those who either know they are false and make the deliberate decision to promote their heresies, or they are tares who do not know they are tares, i.e., weeds instead of the solid grain of the Gospel. As I noted in that original post, I will not engage those fools again. They wish to remain fools, so let them.

The more false teachers and false doctrines are promoted here, the bigger my ignore list grows. I will not tolerate words preaching a different Christ, or the promotion of a false teacher to espouses a different Christ, than the Bible teaches.

So keep please, heretics, keep it up. It makes it easier for me to identify you and never have to tolerate the darkening of my screen again by your garbage.

I would urge others to do the same. When we determine not to tolerate lies, and choose to engage in true fellowshp with true believers, we will actually glorify God.

I just read this and have not read through the thread. So I am giving my first thought and it may have been brought up.

The day I put someone on ignore is the day I cancel my "subscription" to this site.

We glorify the Lord by bringing the LIES into the light. The lies do not reveal His glory or Grace. By confronting the lies and darkness, we reveal His truth and light.

If people want to take that as personal and attack me personally they can kiss my donkey.

They want us to put them on ignore. I ain't gonna.

Post what I believe, uncover the lie with scripture and QUIT. Post the truth and it will stand. Don't go on with pages of "your an idiot" and get the last word. Post the truth against the lie and carry on.( I am not always innocent of this but I try.)

VW, I engage in true fellowship with you whether you know or it not. You discuss bible doctrine and your views and I line up with about 99% of it. We fellowship, you just might not "see" it.

IMO, I tolerate the heretics here if I put them on ignore. I am going to be under their skin, with the truth that I have.And They are not going on my ignore list.

 

[FancyNancy]

How about, "The Hangups of the Hectors"??

 

[atwhatcost]

What a wonderful loving thread. Once again Us against them attitude. Do you really think that some people are purposely trying to irritate you. You think you have all the answers but you sound just like the people you are putting on ignore. This I believe has been the most hateful forum I have ever been on. You people think you are the upper class of Christians and no one can join your social group unless they follow you like little puppies wagging their tails in happiness just to be near you.

I have tried to be polite and show love as much as possible like our Lord and Savior would want me to do. Sometimes saying enough is enough and people just need to grow up and quit acting like children. This goes for anyone that isn't in your social group as well.

I'm pretty sure maybe you have me on ignore but I really feel you people on this forum just like to argue to hear yourself argue (or see). It is disgusting and sickening and you aren't edifying anyone but yourselves. If each one of us can't see that each of us are doing the same thing to each other then we aren't humbling ourselves.

I really hope their aren't unbelievers here who are seeking the Lord and seeing this bickering amongst ourselves. I am a moderator of another forum and I can tell you we don't allow this type of behavior from either side.

I have been a member of pagan boards, atheist boards and I don't see this much hatred and bickering coming from them as I see here.

Why is it that Christians can't stand to be around each other on forums? I bet Satan is having a blast seeing us attack each other. We wouldn't treat non believers like this. I truly hope you don't witness to people the way you do here because no one is going to plant any seeds at all.

Like I said, this is for everyone on this forum, not just the ones who disagree with me. If we aren't on this forum to edify God then there really is no point at all being here. We are only edifying ourselves.

God Bless.










I began reading the forums again after the names of some of the tv and radio preachers and teachers I listen to regularly were posted in subject titles. I read things that were said about them that were just untrue and tried to clear up some of the mis information. Then I began to share what I knew about them, and my own belief about healing and the gifts for today. I was called a cultist.

The message here is clear, if you do not conform to the regular bullies here you will be judged a cultist or called other names. I have never been a follower of bullies nor have I wanted to be a part of their group., So I won't be spending much time on the forums either. It's too much to be attached by other believers, there are too many bullies who stand together against the few. To try and counter the tons of misinformation is just too time consuming.

No, the message is "Do your homework! Just because someone sounds good doesn't make them Biblical."

Matter of fact, with the one you promoted actively you caused more damage than helped. Just not to me, because I had to grow up in a hurry for the amount of people like you who believe New Age is Christian.

And seriously? You have yet to realize the harm in promoting some dude who thinks he can out do God in healing? Whoa! Frightening.

When your prove-a-point hurts others and the biggest thing you hate is being called on the carpet and you might have to counter "misinformation" (which must be a nifty trick, since you never investigated the info to begin with. I never heard of the guy you were talking about until you mentioned him, so I immediately googled and investigated him. That time I didn't respond? I was both investigating him and then doing dishes before I got back to you!) Doesn't that make you wonder how good you're doing with love God and love others?

I can tell you you ARE hurting others by promoting that garbage!

 

[atwhatcost]

So do you think heaven will be partitioned off with rooms/mansions for different denominations with a sign out front saying heretics not welcome here?

Will there be a Baptist section, Methodist, Pentecostal, Catholic, Latter Day Saints, Adventist, Lutheran, etc.......????

Actually, I kind of picture us all abandoning our mansions to worship God at his throne.

 

[atwhatcost]

I'm sure I am on several ignore lists either that or I am invisible as no one comments on my comments....lol

Only because the coding yells at me when I just want to say, "Yup!" (You have to write at least 10 letters.) I hate being yelled at, particularly by a non human. lol

 

[FancyNancy]

No, the message is "Do your homework! Just because someone sounds good doesn't make them Biblical."

Matter of fact, with the one you promoted actively you caused more damage than helped. Just not to me, because I had to grow up in a hurry for the amount of people like you who believe New Age is Christian.

And seriously? You have yet to realize the harm in promoting some dude who thinks he can out do God in healing? Whoa! Frightening.

When your prove-a-point hurts others and the biggest thing you hate is being called on the carpet and you might have to counter "misinformation" (which must be a nifty trick, since you never investigated the info to begin with. I never heard of the guy you were talking about until you mentioned him, so I immediately googled and investigated him. That time I didn't respond? I was both investigating him and then doing dishes before I got back to you!) Doesn't that make you wonder how good you're doing with love God and love others?

I can tell you you ARE hurting others by promoting that garbage!

There you go again, insulting another believer. Google doesn't tell you truth about a man. You need to invest a little more honest effort in understanding people and come to your own conclusions based on the actual person's teaching of the word, and then consider your own beliefs of the word and then make a prayerful and personal decision, but don't be foolish and accept some online nobody to tell you what to think. That's just lazy, and lacks integrity...and that attitude causes more harm than good.

This just has to be said, my dear.

.

 

[ladylynn]

Some of you may have seen a post I put up addressing "atwhatcost's" question about what to do when confronted with deliberately of misguidedly posted false teachings. If you haven't seen it, it can be found here.

There continue to be a number of these false teachings posted lately by those who either know they are false and make the deliberate decision to promote their heresies, or they are tares who do not know they are tares, i.e., weeds instead of the solid grain of the Gospel. As I noted in that original post, I will not engage those fools again. They wish to remain fools, so let them.

The more false teachers and false doctrines are promoted here, the bigger my ignore list grows. I will not tolerate words preaching a different Christ, or the promotion of a false teacher to espouses a different Christ, than the Bible teaches.

So keep please, heretics, keep it up. It makes it easier for me to identify you and never have to tolerate the darkening of my screen again by your garbage.

I would urge others to do the same. When we determine not to tolerate lies, and choose to engage in true fellowshp with true believers, we will actually glorify God.

It's a full time job for me to live my own Christian life. I have always wondered why some people make it their life's work to follow other people's Christian walk with Jesus and appoint themselves mini holy spirits. There are tons of sites that only exist for the sole purpose to seek out and find others who disagree with what they say the Bible teaches.
They then "label" and "denounce" their sentence upon who they find and begin a smear campaign to spread their findings to all who follow their broad castings.

They make lists of people who may fit into their criteria of who's who in the heretic world and then find unity among themselves in the process. There is some kind of happiness in this type of unity for some.

Judging others is a very easy thing to do. As human beings we have a natural inclination to find fault with others. It's what we do! It's in our DNA. As born again Christians its our responsibility to look to Jesus and by the renewing of our minds learn not to judge people's hearts and to allow the Holy Spirit to do the convicting and the leading. It has been my observation that He needs no help in this job. He does it 100% well. Judging hearts is something God has not equipped us to do. If someone speaks in tongues and believes in miracles and you don't, it's not your place to denounce them as a liar and heretic. If someone uses the money God has blessed them with to begin a ministry and does things with the funds that you don't agree with, it's not your job to denounce them as a liar and heretic. Just because one person would not see the need to buy an item, does not mean the other person has no reason or right to buy it. It seems pretty simple to me.

Again, I heard this story about how a Christian started his ministry with the Lord. It began as a small and tiny seed planted. No one saw it go into the ground. No one was there when it was patiently tended and cared for year after year. The sacrifices made and the work of tilling and weeding. No one saw the tiny leaves sprouting up and how it was tenderly prayed for and nurtured. But when this small plant grew larger and larger and began to yeald lots of fruit and pour out a hundred fold from what it once was, everyone saw it then, it was no longer tiny - obscure and needy.

The tiny plant grew and began to yeald a hundred fold of what it once was and grew more and more as the Lord saw fit. And many were blessed and added to the number but many others also found fault with how the laborers were caring for the once obscure plant that was made to yeald it's fruit and shade for others. And they made it their job to tear it down and make it go away.

I can surely understand the unsaved world doing that to a Christian work since they are doing what the enemy wants, stop the Gospel from being broadcast around the world. But I do not understand how fellow Christians can do it and see nothing wrong with tearing down another believer's labors for the Lord. I believe this is of the many issues the Bible speaks about even the very elect will be deceived in the last days.

 

[atwhatcost]

Thats funny...this reminded me of something. Did you know that a person will likely marry someone who is like the parent that they had the worst relationship with?

My husband is NOT my father, even if he makes the exact same kinds of groans, belches the same way, rolls his eyes... ah nuts! Not convincing you he's not Dad, am I? lol

 

[crossnote]

Just a small correction to post #198...last sentence..."the elect will be deceived"...


IF it were possible, even the elect would be deceived...

Mat_24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mar_13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

 

[Gr8grace]

No, the message is "Do your homework! Just because someone sounds good doesn't make them Biblical."

Matter of fact, with the one you promoted actively you caused more damage than helped. Just not to me, because I had to grow up in a hurry for the amount of people like you who believe New Age is Christian.

And seriously? You have yet to realize the harm in promoting some dude who thinks he can out do God in healing? Whoa! Frightening.

When your prove-a-point hurts others and the biggest thing you hate is being called on the carpet and you might have to counter "misinformation" (which must be a nifty trick, since you never investigated the info to begin with. I never heard of the guy you were talking about until you mentioned him, so I immediately googled and investigated him. That time I didn't respond? I was both investigating him and then doing dishes before I got back to you!) Doesn't that make you wonder how good you're doing with love God and love others?

I can tell you you ARE hurting others by promoting that garbage!

Lynn, You and i have more in common than i think You realize. i hope i have not hurt or hindered you in any way and i consider you a Sister in Christ and always have since i have been here.

 

[Tintin]

There are a few people I've never seen before on CC and they're talking about everyone hating on them? Weird. My ignore list is getting bigger, but it's mostly people who are trolling, condemning or spamming the forums.