The "Impossible" Gospel

[ELECT]

Law keeping did not save him, his faith saved him (Ge 15:6).

How did you come to knowledge of your sins to accept Jesus by law or by faith ?

 

[ELECT]

Romans 1:18-25 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of people who suppress the truth by their unrighteousness,
because what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes – his eternal power and divine nature – have been clearly seen, because they are understood through what has been made. So people are without excuse.
For although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God or give him thanks, but they became futile in their thoughts and their senseless hearts were darkened.
Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for an image resembling mortal human beings or birds or four-footed animals or reptiles.
Therefore God gave them over in the desires of their hearts to impurity, to dishonor their bodies among themselves.
They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and worshiped and served the creation rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

What law is this being reffered here written in men hearts ?

Romans 2:12-17King James Version (KJV)

12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,

 

[Elin]

So, whenever it is mentioned, it is not with disdain or scorn toward it, at least not from God.

Nowhere in Scripture is it mentioned with scorn.

In the ceremonial law is a profound picture of Christ, his nature and his work, of the meaning of sin,
of its remedy, and of holiness.

Likewise, its curse is treated in Scripture, as well as the inability of anyone to obey it perfectly, and
therefore all men are under its curse.

But none of that is scorn, it is all a revelation of the justice of God and the mercy of God.

 

[Elin]

How readesth thou ?

Romans 3:31King James Version (KJV)

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

In salvation through grace by faith and not law keeping, Paul establishes the law on its right basis, subordinate to the law of grace.

 

[ELECT]

There was, however, a weakness, or fault, in the original covenant. That fault was with the people, not with the law. "Because finding fault with them, He says: 'Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah'" (verse 8).


It was because the people "did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the LORD" (verse 9).


In the Old Covenant, God wrote the law on tablets of stone. It was external, not part of the thinking and motives of the people. It was in their literature but not in their hearts. In the New Covenant, God writes the law in the minds and hearts of His people (Hebrews:8:10; Jeremiah:31:33-34

 

[crossnote]

The word of God has already separated it where in the ten commanments are there curses ?

Galatians 3:10 For all who rely on doing the works of the law are under a curse, because it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not keep on doing everything written in the book of the law.”

EVERYTHING WRITTEN IN THE BOOK includes the big 10

 

[Elin]

1 John 3:4King James Version (KJV)

4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Therefore because Israel trangressed this law the ceromonial law was added

Ezekiel 20:24-25King James Version (KJV)

24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.
25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
What does were these laws mentioned in verse 25 that was not good ?

The blue text is not in my Bible.

And 1Jn 3:4 refers to the law God gave to Moses.

 

[ELECT]

In salvation through grace by faith and not law keeping, Paul establishes the law on its right basis, subordinate to the law of grace.

one hand does not clap

All mankind who are saved will always be saved by grace through faith that cause one to keep law

Yet if one is saved by grace and through faith and disobeys God laws he or she cannot be saved because our works are measured to good works or evil works

Is evil works not keeping grace or faith ?

 

[ELECT]

Galatians 3:10 For all who rely on doing the works of the law are under a curse, because it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not keep on doing everything written in the book of the law.”

EVERYTHING WRITTEN IN THE BOOK includes the big 10

Do you do the things required written in the book ? Do you steal ,worship idols ?

 

[ELECT]

In salvation through grace by faith and not law keeping, Paul establishes the law on its right basis, subordinate to the law of grace.

Is this the law of God or law of Moses or Law of Christ ? Do we have to practice these ?
Romans 13:9-10King James Version (KJV)


9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

 

[Elin]

How did you come to knowledge of your sins to accept Jesus by law or by faith ?

By the Holy Spirit in repentance through faith in the Scriptures, which testified to my sin.

 

[Elin]

What law is this being reffered here written in men hearts ?

Romans 2:12-17King James Version (KJV)

12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,

That is the natural law of conscience.

 

[ELECT]

Galatians 3:10 For all who rely on doing the works of the law are under a curse, because it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not keep on doing everything written in the book of the law.”

EVERYTHING WRITTEN IN THE BOOK includes the big 10

Did the ten commandments regulate animal sacrifices ?

Moses' law was the temporary, ceremonial law of the Old Testament. It regulated the priesthood, sacrifices, rituals, meat and drink offerings, etc., all of which foreshadowed Christ Jesus.

This law was added "till the seed should come," and that seed was Christ (Galatians 3:16,19). The ritual and ceremony of Moses' law pointed forward to Christ, and this law came to an end, but the Ten Commandments (God's law) "stand fast for ever and ever." (Psalm 111:8).

 

[Elin]

There was, however, a weakness, or fault, in the original covenant. That fault was with the people, not with the law. "Because finding fault with them, He says: 'Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah'" (verse 8).


It was because the people "did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the LORD" (verse 9).


In the Old Covenant, God wrote the law on tablets of stone. It was external, not part of the thinking and motives of the people. It was in their literature but not in their hearts. In the New Covenant, God writes the law in the minds and hearts of His people (Hebrews:8:10; Jeremiah:31:33-34

Yep. . .that's what the Bible says.

 

[ELECT]

That is the natural law of conscience.

What is the natural law of conscience ?
as regards to this verse
Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,

Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law of conscience , and makest thy boast of God,
does that make any sense ?

 

[Elin]

one hand does not clap

All mankind who are saved will always be saved by grace through faith that cause one to keep law

Yet if one is saved by grace and through faith and disobeys God laws he or she cannot be saved because our works are measured to good works or evil works

Is evil works not keeping grace or faith ?

You are confusing salvation by "faith not works,"

with "faith without works."

They are not the same thing.

 

[crossnote]

Do you do the things required written in the book ? Do you steal ,worship idols ?

What game are you playing, 21 questions? I'm not playing that game.
Obviously you see the relation of the law to faith/grace differently than I do..
Why don't you just state your case instead of all these vain 'gotcha' questions?

 

[ELECT]

Yep. . .that's what the Bible says.

you said yep yet dont understand what yo read

What does it mean by
Deuteronomy 10:16
Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

 

[Elin]

Is this the law of God or law of Moses or Law of Christ ? Do we have to practice these ?
Romans 13:9-10King James Version (KJV)


9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

We practice the law of Christ which is love (Mt 22:37-39)
and fulfills all of them (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8-10; Gal 5:6).

 

[ELECT]

What game are you playing, 21 questions? I'm not playing that game.
Obviously you see the relation of the law to faith/grace differently than I do..
Why don't you just state your case instead of all these vain 'gotcha' questions?

you have not change a bit with your gothaha quetion line but it do seems that these questions have caught you wanting


because you dont kill yet say we are under grace then we should kill if under grace means living a sinful life