The "Impossible" Gospel

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Habakkuk 2:4King James Version (KJV)

4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

And Law existed
Law keeping did not save him, his faith saved him (Ge 15:6).
 
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There was no law to transgress when sin abounded before the law of Moses.

The law was added to the Abrahamic covenant to show their sin,
so God's people would not sin unknowingly.
Genesis 39:7-9King James Version (KJV)


7 And it came to pass after these things, that his master's wife cast her eyes upon Joseph; and she said, Lie with me.


8 But he refused, and said unto his master's wife, Behold, my master wotteth not what is with me in the house, and he hath committed all that he hath to my hand;


9 There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?

What is sin ?
 
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There was no law to transgress when sin abounded before the law of Moses.

The law was added to the Abrahamic covenant to show their sin,
so God's people would not sin unknowingly.
Why did God destroy idol worshipers if there was no law ?
 

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[h=1]Daniel 9:11King James Version (KJV)[/h]11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.
The curse is not in God Law the ten commandments
You can't separate the 10 Commandments from the other 603. The law is indivisible. The so called divisions are man made constructs.If you break one point or tittle you broke the whole .
 
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Elin said:
the "because" above explains why we don't; i.e., because
when God begins a work of righteousness in us, he completes it (Php 1:6, 2:13).

Do you know the NT?
only if one yields to Him the work is finish
Right. . .and that is precisely what the power of God's grace operating within him guarantees.
 
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Genesis 39:7-9King James Version (KJV)


7 And it came to pass after these things, that his master's wife cast her eyes upon Joseph; and she said, Lie with me.


8 But he refused, and said unto his master's wife, Behold, my master wotteth not what is with me in the house, and he hath committed all that he hath to my hand;


9 There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?

What is sin ?
At that time it was transgression of the commands of the Abrahamic covenant (Jer 11:1-10).
 

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Why did God destroy idol worshipers if there was no law ?
Romans 1:18-25 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of people who suppress the truth by their unrighteousness,
because what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes – his eternal power and divine nature – have been clearly seen, because they are understood through what has been made. So people are without excuse.
For although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God or give him thanks, but they became futile in their thoughts and their senseless hearts were darkened.
Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for an image resembling mortal human beings or birds or four-footed animals or reptiles.
Therefore God gave them over in the desires of their hearts to impurity, to dishonor their bodies among themselves.
They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and worshiped and served the creation rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
 
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So the law of Christ exited in the OT before Jesus came ?
Yes, it existed in the Decalogue and was also given in
the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers
in the commands and exhortations of the NT.
 

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If Paul is saying nothing nothing new, why is he saying anything at all?
Act_17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
 
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Act_17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
So it was new and they were searching the Scriptures to see if it was in accord with them which, of course, it was.
 

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Act_17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
A non sequiter, but ok, does this look familiar?...

Acts 17:13 But when the Jews from Thessalonica heard that Paul had also proclaimed the word of God in Berea, they came there too, inciting and disturbing the crowds.
 
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Is there no use for the law, then, and does God hate it?
God gave the law to Moses to show his people what sin was and what divine righteousness required,
as well as the consequences of not keeping it perfectly, and of the remedy for their sin of disobedience.
 

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God gave the law to Moses to show his people what sin was and what divine righteousness required,
as well as the consequences of not keeping it perfectly, and of the remedy for their sin of disobedience.
So, whenever it is mentioned, it is not with disdain or scorn toward it, at least not from God.
 

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So, whenever it is mentioned, it is not with disdain or scorn toward it, at least not from God.

Romans 7:12-14 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous, and good.
Did that which is good, then, become death to me? Absolutely not! But sin, so that it would be shown to be sin, produced death in me through what is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful.
For we know that the law is spiritual – but I am unspiritual, sold into slavery to sin.
 
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You can't separate the 10 Commandments from the other 603. The law is indivisible. The so called divisions are man made constructs.If you break one point or tittle you broke the whole .


Do we have to keep the ceromonial law ?

If it is not separate was the tabernacle in existance in genesis
 
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Law keeping did not save him, his faith saved him (Ge 15:6).
How readesth thou ?

[h=1]Romans 3:31King James Version (KJV)[/h]31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
 
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You can't separate the 10 Commandments from the other 603. The law is indivisible. The so called divisions are man made constructs.If you break one point or tittle you broke the whole .
The word of God has already separated it where in the ten commanments are there curses ?
 
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At that time it was transgression of the commands of the Abrahamic covenant (Jer 11:1-10).
[h=1]1 John 3:4King James Version (KJV)[/h]4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Therefore because Israel trangressed this law the ceromonial law was added


[h=1]Ezekiel 20:24-25King James Version (KJV)[/h]24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.
25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
What does were these laws mentioned in verse 25 that was not good ?