The "Impossible" Gospel
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You say Sabbath is not commanded in the NT. So why does history show that the NT believers didn't keep Sunday until the 3rd century under the direction and command of Constantine?
Got it!! You are not of or in the commonwealth of Israel. You are of the gentile believers who call themselves Church. To you, there is a separation of Israel from Church, and they are two different indemnities.
Exo_31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
Satan should never come after you, according to you belonging to the Church which is separate from Israel.
Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
1Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
1Jn 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
I don't see that our love is known when we love Christ and keep his commandments is any different that love God and keep His commandments.. Christ loved His Father and Christ kept God's commandments, and because Christ is truth, He did not do away or add to Torah, because that would have made Him a sinner.
Thus the "Impossible" Gospel.
Got it!! You are not of or in the commonwealth of Israel. You are of the gentile believers who call themselves Church. To you, there is a separation of Israel from Church, and they are two different indemnities.
Exo_31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
Satan should never come after you, according to you belonging to the Church which is separate from Israel.
Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
1Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
1Jn 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
I don't see that our love is known when we love Christ and keep his commandments is any different that love God and keep His commandments.. Christ loved His Father and Christ kept God's commandments, and because Christ is truth, He did not do away or add to Torah, because that would have made Him a sinner.
Thus the "Impossible" Gospel.
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I dont understand.
How do people think the law is done away with?
The law is not "Sin" , its "Sin Consciousness" or being aware of sin. It doesnt teach you how to sin, it does the opposite, teaches you how not to sin. If 'el (GOD) done away with the law, your saying sin doesn't exist any more, and If sin doesn't exist, your saying the devil doesn't exist either! It makes no scene. Even YASHA' (Jesus) said himself in Matthew 5: 17-18, KJV
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. *Key Word: ALL.
This means that not an SINGLE THING from the old testament will change until ALL is fulfilled (after the Revelation has passed). Some say the law is for the ancient nation of Israel, and Israel was done away with as well. No. The nation of Yisra'el (israel) is not dead. In fact, I'm part of it. One of my jobs is to get people to to believe the WHOLE bible. The laws weren't just for isreal, they were for EVERYONE that believes in Him.
There were only 3 things done away with that I can think of: Levitical Priesthood , animal burnt offerings and sacrifices, and having the sons and daughters of someone get punished for their father's sin.
I believe in Mashiyka (Christ) AND the laws of 'el (God), as for they are both required for salvation in the end. I'm actually keeping one of the Holy Days right now, Feast of Tabernacles. I'm not Christian , and Yisra'el is not a religion.
Hebrews 10:1 says that the law has a shadow of good things to come. I want good things to come, and I'm sure you do as well. I'm not rejecting YASHA (Jesus), I believe everything He does, use His name in prayer, AND keep the law. You won't die for keeping it. Have faith in Mashiykha (Christ) AND keep the law. Just because YASHA (Jesus) fufilled the law, doesn't mean it ends.
He said not a thing shall be changed untill heaven and earth pass.
So, has He fufilled the law? Yes, he has fulfilled it.
Has heaven and earth passed yet? No, pretty sure it hasn't.
Law still required. All things in the Old Testament are still required. So if your STILL ignorant enough to say "this doesn't matter, I ONLY have faith in Christ", The bible isn't for you. IF THE LAW WAS DONE AWAY WITH, why is the old testament still in the book?
Selah.
Thank You for discussing this matter and it would be great too have a reply.
שלום (Peace).
How do people think the law is done away with?
The law is not "Sin" , its "Sin Consciousness" or being aware of sin. It doesnt teach you how to sin, it does the opposite, teaches you how not to sin. If 'el (GOD) done away with the law, your saying sin doesn't exist any more, and If sin doesn't exist, your saying the devil doesn't exist either! It makes no scene. Even YASHA' (Jesus) said himself in Matthew 5: 17-18, KJV
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. *Key Word: ALL.
This means that not an SINGLE THING from the old testament will change until ALL is fulfilled (after the Revelation has passed). Some say the law is for the ancient nation of Israel, and Israel was done away with as well. No. The nation of Yisra'el (israel) is not dead. In fact, I'm part of it. One of my jobs is to get people to to believe the WHOLE bible. The laws weren't just for isreal, they were for EVERYONE that believes in Him.
There were only 3 things done away with that I can think of: Levitical Priesthood , animal burnt offerings and sacrifices, and having the sons and daughters of someone get punished for their father's sin.
I believe in Mashiyka (Christ) AND the laws of 'el (God), as for they are both required for salvation in the end. I'm actually keeping one of the Holy Days right now, Feast of Tabernacles. I'm not Christian , and Yisra'el is not a religion.
Hebrews 10:1 says that the law has a shadow of good things to come. I want good things to come, and I'm sure you do as well. I'm not rejecting YASHA (Jesus), I believe everything He does, use His name in prayer, AND keep the law. You won't die for keeping it. Have faith in Mashiykha (Christ) AND keep the law. Just because YASHA (Jesus) fufilled the law, doesn't mean it ends.
He said not a thing shall be changed untill heaven and earth pass.
So, has He fufilled the law? Yes, he has fulfilled it.
Has heaven and earth passed yet? No, pretty sure it hasn't.
Law still required. All things in the Old Testament are still required. So if your STILL ignorant enough to say "this doesn't matter, I ONLY have faith in Christ", The bible isn't for you. IF THE LAW WAS DONE AWAY WITH, why is the old testament still in the book?
Selah.
Thank You for discussing this matter and it would be great too have a reply.
שלום (Peace).
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Deuteronomy 29 King James Version (KJV)
1These are the words of the covenant, which the Lord commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.
9 Keep therefore the words of this covenant, and do them, that ye may prosper in all that ye do.
10 Ye stand this day all of you before the Lord your God; your captains of your tribes, your elders, and your officers, with all the men of Israel,
11 Your little ones, your wives, and thy stranger that is in thy camp, from the hewer of thy wood unto the drawer of thy water:
12 That thou shouldest enter into covenant with the Lord thy God, and into his oath, which the Lord thy God maketh with thee this day:
13 That he may establish thee to day for a people unto himself, and that he may be unto thee a God, as he hath said unto thee, and as he hath sworn unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.
14 Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath;
15 But with him that standeth here with us this day before the Lord our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day:
1These are the words of the covenant, which the Lord commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.
9 Keep therefore the words of this covenant, and do them, that ye may prosper in all that ye do.
10 Ye stand this day all of you before the Lord your God; your captains of your tribes, your elders, and your officers, with all the men of Israel,
11 Your little ones, your wives, and thy stranger that is in thy camp, from the hewer of thy wood unto the drawer of thy water:
12 That thou shouldest enter into covenant with the Lord thy God, and into his oath, which the Lord thy God maketh with thee this day:
13 That he may establish thee to day for a people unto himself, and that he may be unto thee a God, as he hath said unto thee, and as he hath sworn unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.
14 Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath;
15 But with him that standeth here with us this day before the Lord our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day:
In short, you are right the law has not been done away with...us as Christians have...
Romans 7:1-4 Or do you not know, brothers and sisters (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law is lord over a person as long as he lives?
For a married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he lives, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of the marriage.
So then, if she is joined to another man while her husband is alive, she will be called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she is joined to another man, she is not an adulteress.
So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you could be joined to another, to the one who was raised from the dead, to bear fruit to God.
BTW, you are not Christian? Are you Jewish or what?
Romans 7:1-4 Or do you not know, brothers and sisters (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law is lord over a person as long as he lives?
For a married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he lives, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of the marriage.
So then, if she is joined to another man while her husband is alive, she will be called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she is joined to another man, she is not an adulteress.
So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you could be joined to another, to the one who was raised from the dead, to bear fruit to God.
BTW, you are not Christian? Are you Jewish or what?
Jesus did not die according to the Torah justice!! Everything about His trial and cruxifiction was against the truth of Torah. The Pharisees brought in FALSE WITNESSES!! because they could not find anything of truth to accuse him of.
Jesus knew why He came and He even told us. Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Jesus knew why He came and He even told us. Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
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Why did you stop there ?
[h=1]Romans 7:5-13King James Version (KJV)[/h]5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
I am sure you ask for forgiveness of sins
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very interesting point you made about Jesus thus if we have Jesus we will obey the law
Romans 8 King James Version (KJV)
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Romans 8 King James Version (KJV)
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Why did you stop there ? [h=1]Romans 7:5-13King James Version (KJV)[/h]5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.I am sure you ask for forgiveness of sins