The "Impossible" Gospel

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Same as "fulfilled" meaning completed. Not negated. AMEN.

Isaiah 8:20King James Version (KJV)


20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
 
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Yes, those in the new covenant will obey Christ's new covenant law of Mt 22:37-39.
In your opinion, Is Christ's law different than His own Father's law given in the Pentateuch? A simple yes or no will suffice.
 
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We are justified by faith, thank God. The condemntion of the law is no longer directed..., but, is not the law still a directive?
grace is for us when we break the law for we are sinful
 

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SEALED:

2 Corinthians 1:22 who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a down payment.

Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
 
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Yes, those in the new covenant will obey Christ's new covenant law of Mt 22:37-39.
you see i did not mistake you

you are saying that the Father Law is Christ law yet Christ law is new and changes the Father law
 
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Isaiah 8:20King James Version (KJV)


20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
I quote these verses a lot Romans 8:5-7
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be .
 
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SEALED:

2 Corinthians 1:22 who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a down payment.

Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
The Holy Spirit is not the seal but helps in the sealng
 

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In your opinion, Is Christ's law different than His own Father's law given in the Pentateuch? A simple yes or no will suffice.
His (moral) law in our heart works itself out in our lives differently than our efforts of the moral law engraved in stone ...good question.
 

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The Holy Spirit is not the seal but helps in the sealng
Again, your ignorance of what it is to be born again.I only quoted Scripture about being sealed and now you argue with Scripture.

Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

BY WHOM YOU WERE SEALED.
 
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In your opinion, Is Christ's law different than His own Father's law given in the Pentateuch? A simple yes or no will suffice.
His (moral) law in our heart works itself out in our lives differently than our efforts of the moral law engraved in stone ...good question.
We are different, but I wasn't asking about how we perceive things, so I ask again the question I originally asked Elin, "Is Christ's law different than His own Father's law given in the Pentateuch?"
 
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SEALED:

2 Corinthians 1:22 who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a down payment.

Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
The Seal of God


- Creator - Heaven and earth. The seal of God, gives the one in authority, His office and also the territory over which He presides. This seal is found in the law of God. A seal is inseparable from law. You remove the fourth commandment from the ten, and there is no authority left in the code of law.


The heathen man worshipping his idol can claim that his god was the author of this Ten Commandment law, and that he had no other god before his god. He can justify himself in his worship. But when you place the seal back into the law, then the heathen man is forced to surrender because it says, "In six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and the sea and all that in them is."


Hence the seal by which the 144,000 are being sealed is the Ten Commandment law, written in their hearts by the HOLY SPIRIT. The seal of that law is the Sabbath, now being placed back, which was removed by ROME, and at this time of the increase of knowledge (Daniel 12: 4),
 
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Again, your ignorance of what it is to be born again.I only quoted Scripture about being sealed and now you argue with Scripture.

Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

BY WHOM YOU WERE SEALED.
You were sealed by the Holy Spirit not that the Holy Spirit is the seal
 

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We are different, but I wasn't asking about how we perceive things, so I ask again, Is Christ's law different than His own Father's law given in the Pentateuch?
I didn't explain how different we perceive things but how God uses each (mode of law) in a different way.
 
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Matthew 22:37-39King James Version (KJV)

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The 10 commandment are divided into 4 + 6
First 4 love God next 6 love your neighbour as thyself
Unless you are Catholic, then it is 3 + 7.
 
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His (moral) law in our heart works itself out in our lives differently than our efforts of the moral law engraved in stone ...good question.
Again, teaching that the law that is engraved in stone so it is everlasting means it is engraved in a heart of stone!! Making God's word say it is against God's word!!
 
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The Holy Spirit is the power that does the sealing, by placing the "Seal of God" in the foreheads of the pure in heart. The Holy Spirit is not the seal, but it is the power by which the sealing is done. Just as the seal of state or nation is placed on a document to make it legal by the one who transacts the business, so is

"The Seal of God" placed in the forehead, or in the mind of the person, by the Holy Spirit. The seal of state is placed on the document by a machine operated by the man. The seal is not the machine or the man and so is also the seal of God something different from the Holy Spirit that does the work of sealing.
 
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also addressed by Paul in the NT.

Eph_2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph_2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph_2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Paul is not talking about Israel here.

He is talking about the wall of partition (Mosaic defilement laws) which kept the Jews separated from the unclean Gentiles.
There was no wall of partition requiring separation of Israel from Judah.

By the cross Jesus has reconciled
1) the Jews to the Gentiles,
2) both groups to God.
 
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The Book of Romans has nothing to do with the heretical Two House teaching. The middle wall being broken down involves the division between Jews and Gentiles.
Here is something to add to Romans 7:4 and 6

Romans 7:4, 6 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you could be joined to another, to the one who was raised from the dead, to bear fruit to God.
But now we have been released from the law, because we have died to what controlled us, so that we may serve in the new life of the Spirit and not under the old written code.

which is...

Galatians 2:20-21 I have been crucified with Christ, and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. So the life I now live in the body, I live because of the faithfulness of the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
I do not set aside God’s grace, because if righteousness could come through the law, then Christ died for nothing!

But all this means nothing in your pre-cooked ideas.
"you also died to the law through the body of Christ," What law through the body of Christ did we die to?

Again, it was the law of marriage, divorce, remarriage ADULTERY and DEATH.

We must also die to that law if we desire to be married to God with us, Immanuel, Jesus Christ/Y'shua Messiah.

And that law that requires God die and that we die also so that we can remarry God with us/Y'shua:

Deu 24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
Deu 24:2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.
Deu 24:3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;
Deu 24:4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
 

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You were sealed by the Holy Spirit not that the Holy Spirit is the seal
of course not being born again you are not baptized into His Spirit neither is He in you...

1 Corinthians 2:10-14 God has revealed these to us by the Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.For who among men knows the things of a man except the man’s spirit within him? So too, no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.Now we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things that are freely given to us by God.And we speak about these things, not with words taught us by human wisdom, but with those taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual things to spiritual people.The unbeliever does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him. And he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 

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"you also died to the law through the body of Christ," What law through the body of Christ did we die to?

Again, it was the law of marriage, divorce, remarriage ADULTERY and DEATH.

We must also die to that law if we desire to be married to God with us, Immanuel, Jesus Christ/Y'shua Messiah.

And that law that requires God die and that we die also so that we can remarry God with us/Y'shua:

Deu 24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
Deu 24:2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.
Deu 24:3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;
Deu 24:4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
Jew and Gentile being reconciled...

Ephesians 2:11-19 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;