The Lord Jesus and His Holy Scriptures are One (The Scripture Personified) Pt. 1 & 2

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ChosenbyHim

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the Bible period the word of Good the KJV take away from the context of the Bible who one over emphasizes KJV instead of the author of the contents. Thats why.
And so you do not believe that Charles Spurgeon was referring to an actual Bible and Translation when he said 'our own old English Version of the Scriptures' ?
 

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again playing semantics The word of God is kept by God in the KJV, the NKJV, the NASB, the RSV, the NIV pre1984 before liberal theologian perverted it. I love the KING Jame version, and I love the new KJV too. and the NIV and the NLT and the NASB. all I have preached from and seen people saved using HOW did God do that?

CS1, all the translations though do not say the same thing. And God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all the churches. Hence, I believe that God has One True Bible that is His finished and completed Bible.

Also, you asked, How did God do that?

The Gospel can be found in nearly all of the translations out there. And yet though, for that new babe in Christ to be able to fully grow and develop, they will need to have the perfect and pure word of God. Since we need to live by every word of God that proceedeth out of His mouth. Deuteronomy 8:3, Matthew 4:4, and Luke 4:4.
 

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Worship the God of the version, not the version......the King Jimmy is a translation/transliteration, NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS!
Dcontroversal, it is King James, not "King Jimmy."

You ought to show some respect and reverence and godly fear toward God's infallible and precious word, the blessed King James Holy Bible. DCcontroversal, you ought to tremble at the word of the Lord.
 

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Dino246, I am having a rational and logical conversation with you. My belief and faith in the word of God is a god thing. I have been helped out by the Holy Spirit as He hath taught me and lead me into deep truth about His holy word. And that’s what I want for you and others, Dino.

You cite "Alexandrian" beliefs with no evidence, and claim to be rational? Um, no.

How can you even say that, Dino? If the very wording of the Translation is not inspired, what’s the use? Inspiration is preserved intact, and that inspiration is carried over into the very words of the Translation.
No; the word of God is inspired; the wording of the translation is not. Simple as that.

No, it is not Irrelevant, Dino. That question is very relevant. Because if Jesus had only a copy of the Original, then we know that Jesus viewed that copy of the Scripture as authoritative and just as inspired as the Original autograph of Isaiah.
Still irrelevant.

Once again, No it is not irrelevant, Dino. It is very relevant. What Timothy had in his possession was not the original autographs, but were copies of the originals. And yet Paul stated clearly to Timothy that what he knew from a child were the Holy Scriptures. And then in the very next verse, Paul says all Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine. Therefore Dino, If Timothy had in his possession the very holy Scriptures, then we can be confident that we also today can have possession of the very holy Scriptures. Since Timothy also did not have the original autographs, but had copies.
Also still irrelevant.

The Scripture itself says this about itself: All Scripture is given by Inspiration of God…
No; it says, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God"; the word "inspiration" is not capitalized. That is as true for the NIV and the NASB as it is for the KJV.

Therefore since all scripture is given by inspiration of God, wouldn’t that mean that the very translation of the whole Bible is inspired?
No.

I am not ignoring those three words, Dino. It has a double application. God preserves both His words, and His saints. We are preserved by God because God is faithful and because He hath faithfully kept and preserved His pure words.
Despite your claim, you are, in fact, ignoring them. Nothing in your explanation accounts for them.

And Why do you say that God did not provide us with an inspired and perfect translation?
Because I see no evidence that He did. I'm not deceived by ignorant, circular, and fallacious arguments.

What I said is spot on. We grow in our faith by the word of God. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
What you said about me is your opinion and has no basis in fact.

I simply believe that God has kept His word intact and that we have access to His perfect and preserved word today. If you want to say that I worship the Bible, then that is fine. Because God is one with His word, the Holy Bible. Hence, when I am worshipping the God of the word, I am also in a sense worshipping the word of God Almighty.
I disagree vigorously that God is one with His word.

if I am not judging you properly and rightly concerning your position, Dino, then why don’t you just come right out and tell me where can I find a perfect copy of God’s written word today?
I have no obligation to do so. That's your concern, not mine.

I am not a cultist. You are falsely labeling me, and for that, you ought to repent, Dino.
Whatever. I don't answer to you.

This Bible version Issue is a very important issue, since it is doctrinal. And since it deals with the very word of God, which God magnifies above all His Name (Psalm 138:2).
It's only a doctrinal issue to a cultist.
 

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The Gospel can be found in nearly all of the translations out there. And yet though, for that new babe in Christ to be able to fully grow and develop, they will need to have the perfect and pure word of God. Since we need to live by every word of God that proceedeth out of His mouth. Deuteronomy 8:3, Matthew 4:4, and Luke 4:4.
Using exactly the same logic, one could claim that John, Paul, and Peter could not have been "fully grown and developed" because they did not have the KJV.

What utter rubbish.
 
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Dcontroversal, it is King James, not "King Jimmy."

You ought to show some respect and reverence and godly fear toward God's infallible and precious word, the blessed King James Holy Bible. DCcontroversal, you ought to tremble at the word of the Lord.
King Jimmy is exactly what it is....it is a tranaliteration, translation almost copied verbatim from a previous English version, has translational errors, and I worship the God of the version, not the version itself!
 

gb9

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all the kjv only crowd conveniently overlook the fact that king james was rumored to be gay.....
 

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King Jimmy is exactly what it is....it is a tranaliteration, translation almost copied verbatim from a previous English version, has translational errors, and I worship the God of the version, not the version itself!

It is the HOLY BIBLE. Also known as the Holy Scripture. And it is God’s Finished Bible. We call it the King James Holy Bible today because of the scores upon scores of translations out there on the market.

There are no errors in the King James Bible, Dcontroversal. The errors are in your mind and in your own thinking, sir.

God’s word has no error at all.

I worship God and as I am worshipping God, I also am worshipping His word since He Is ONE with His holy word. You cannot separate God from His holy word. They are inseparable.
 

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all the kjv only crowd conveniently overlook the fact that king james was rumored to be gay.....
That was a false rumor, gb9. Do not believe everything you hear.
 

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Using exactly the same logic, one could claim that John, Paul, and Peter could not have been "fully grown and developed" because they did not have the KJV.

What utter rubbish.

They may not have had the Finished Bible, but they did have access to the Old Testament Holy Scriptures in their time.

Today, we have the completed Canon of Holy Scripture. Therefore we will be held to a higher level of accountability. For to whom much is given much shall be required.
 

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It is the HOLY BIBLE. Also known as the Holy Scripture. And it is God’s Finished Bible. We call it the King James Holy Bible today because of the scores upon scores of translations out there on the market.

There are no errors in the King James Bible, Dcontroversal. The errors are in your mind and in your own thinking, sir.

God’s word has no error at all.

I worship God and as I am worshipping God, I also am worshipping His word since He Is ONE with His holy word. You cannot separate God from His holy word. They are inseparable.
You have said it yourself: you are engaging in bibliolatry.
 

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You cite "Alexandrian" beliefs with no evidence, and claim to be rational? Um, no.


Having an Alexandrian mindset, Dino, is simply believing that only the original autographs were perfect and inerrant. The Alexandrian philosophy denies that there is a perfect Bible in existence today that we can actually hold in our hands and read it.


Here is a copy of the Creed of the Alexandrian Cult:

THE CREED OF THE ALEXANDRIAN CULT




by Peter Ruckman
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1. There is NO FINAL AUTHORITY but God.


2. Since God is a SPIRIT, there is NO FINAL AUTHORITY that can be seen, heard, read, felt or handled.

3. Since all books are MATERIAL, there is NO BOOK ON THIS EARTH THAT IS THE FINAL AND ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY on what is right and what is wrong; what constitutes TRUTH and what constitutes ERROR.

4. There WAS a series of writings one time which, IF they had all been put into a BOOK as soon as they were written the first time, WOULD HAVE constituted an infallible and final authority by which to judge truth and error.

5. However, this series of writings was LOST, and the God Who inspired them was UNABLE TO PRESERVE THEIR CONTENT through Bible-believing Christians at Antioch (Syria), where the first Bible teachers were (Acts 13:1), and where the first missionary trip originated (Acts 13:1-6), and where the word "CHRISTIAN" originated (Acts 11:26).


6. So, God chose to ALMOST preserve them through Gnostics and philosophers from Alexandria, Egypt, even though God called HIS SON OUT of Egypt (Mat. 2), JACOB OUT of Egypt (Gen. 49), ISRAEL OUT of Egypt (Exod. 15), and JOSEPH'S BONES OUT of Egypt (Exod. 13).

7. So, there are two streams of Bibles: the most accurate - though, of course, there is NO FINAL, ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY FOR DETERMINING TRUTH AND ERROR: it is a matter of "preference" - are the Egyptian translations from Alexandria, Egypt, which are "almost the originals," although NOT QUITE.

8. The most INACCURATE TRANSLATIONS were those that brought about the GERMAN REFORMATION (Luther, Zwingli, Boehler, Zinzendorf, Spener, etc.) and the worldwide MISSIONARY MOVEMENT of the English speaking people: the Bible that Sunday, Torrey, Moody, Finney, Spurgeon, Whitfield, Wesley, and Chapman used.

9. But we can "tolerate" these if those who believe in them will tolerate US. After all, since THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE AND FINAL AUTHORITY THAT ANYONE CAN READ, TEACH, PREACH, OR HANDLE, the whole thing is a matter of "PREFERENCE." You may prefer what you prefer, and we will prefer what WE prefer: let us live in peace, and if we cannot agree on anything or everything, let us all agree on one thing: THERE IS NO FINAL, ABSOLUTE, WRITTEN AUTHORITY OF GOD ANYWHERE ON THIS EARTH.
This is the creed of the Alexandrian Cult.



I reject the Alexandrian philosophy, as I believe that there is a perfect, finished Bible in existence today and it is the King James Bible.



No; the word of God is inspired; the wording of the translation is not. Simple as that.

The Translation is Inspired because God preserved the inspiration. Inspiration must carry over into the translation. Hence, the King James Bible, God’s finished Bible is the very inspired word of the living God.


Still irrelevant.


It is not irrelevant at all. It is relevant because when Jesus was reading Isaiah, He was reading a copy of Isaiah, and not the original. Yet though, He was still reading the inspired word of God.


Also still irrelevant.


No, it is not irrelevant. You had yet to refute my points.



No; it says, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God"; the word "inspiration" is not capitalized. That is as true for the NIV and the NASB as it is for the KJV.


The NIV and NASB are based on corrupt Greek texts and manuscripts, and they did not source from the Father.


The King James Bible has sourced from the Father and it is living. But the NIV and the NASB are not living.





Inspiration does carry over. Because once again Dino, Timothy did not have the original autographs in his possession. He only had a copy in his hand, yet though, he still had the very inspired word of God in his possession. He had the Scriptures in possession.


Despite your claim, you are, in fact, ignoring them. Nothing in your explanation accounts for them.

How am Ignoring them, when I considered the whole context of Psalm 12???


Throughout that 12th Psalm, David is showing a contrast between God’s pure, faithful and true words vs man’s vain and unfaithful words which are filled which are spoken with flattering lips and a double tongue. And so we cannot ignore the fact that David was also showing this Contrast between God’s pure words and man’s vain words, Dino,



Because I see no evidence that He did. I'm not deceived by ignorant, circular, and fallacious arguments.

And so you do admit that you believe that there is no perfect and inspired Bible today.


Since this is the case, Dino, then according to your viewpoint, the word of God is not available to us.



What you said about me is your opinion and has no basis in fact.

What I said about you is correct and accurate because you already admitted that you do not believe that there is a perfect and an inspired translation available to us today.



I disagree vigorously that God is one with His word.

Well, you are wrong, Dino. There are so many Scriptures that testify that God is One with His holy word. They possess the same attributes, Nature, Character and Power. They are absolutely equal. What is true about God, is also true for His word.



I have no obligation to do so. That's your concern, not mine.

Sure, you have an obligation to do so, if you tell me that I am not rightly judging you concerning your position on this very issue.


Whatever. I don't answer to you.

You will answer to God though one day and His word, the King James Bible.

We all will one day stand before God and His word, the Holy Scripture. And we will have to give an account unto them.




It's only a doctrinal issue to a cultist.

There you go again, Dino, with your false accusation. I am not a cultist. I believe that you could be saved. It is just you are very messed up regarding this issue, sadly.
 

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Here is a copy of the Creed of the Alexandrian Cult:

THE CREED OF THE ALEXANDRIAN CULT

by Peter Ruckman
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1. There is NO FINAL AUTHORITY but God.


2. Since God is a SPIRIT, there is NO FINAL AUTHORITY that can be seen, heard, read, felt or handled.

3. Since all books are MATERIAL, there is NO BOOK ON THIS EARTH THAT IS THE FINAL AND ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY on what is right and what is wrong; what constitutes TRUTH and what constitutes ERROR.

4. There WAS a series of writings one time which, IF they had all been put into a BOOK as soon as they were written the first time, WOULD HAVE constituted an infallible and final authority by which to judge truth and error.

5. However, this series of writings was LOST, and the God Who inspired them was UNABLE TO PRESERVE THEIR CONTENT through Bible-believing Christians at Antioch (Syria), where the first Bible teachers were (Acts 13:1), and where the first missionary trip originated (Acts 13:1-6), and where the word "CHRISTIAN" originated (Acts 11:26).


6. So, God chose to ALMOST preserve them through Gnostics and philosophers from Alexandria, Egypt, even though God called HIS SON OUT of Egypt (Mat. 2), JACOB OUT of Egypt (Gen. 49), ISRAEL OUT of Egypt (Exod. 15), and JOSEPH'S BONES OUT of Egypt (Exod. 13).

7. So, there are two streams of Bibles: the most accurate - though, of course, there is NO FINAL, ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY FOR DETERMINING TRUTH AND ERROR: it is a matter of "preference" - are the Egyptian translations from Alexandria, Egypt, which are "almost the originals," although NOT QUITE.

8. The most INACCURATE TRANSLATIONS were those that brought about the GERMAN REFORMATION (Luther, Zwingli, Boehler, Zinzendorf, Spener, etc.) and the worldwide MISSIONARY MOVEMENT of the English speaking people: the Bible that Sunday, Torrey, Moody, Finney, Spurgeon, Whitfield, Wesley, and Chapman used.

9. But we can "tolerate" these if those who believe in them will tolerate US. After all, since THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE AND FINAL AUTHORITY THAT ANYONE CAN READ, TEACH, PREACH, OR HANDLE, the whole thing is a matter of "PREFERENCE." You may prefer what you prefer, and we will prefer what WE prefer: let us live in peace, and if we cannot agree on anything or everything, let us all agree on one thing: THERE IS NO FINAL, ABSOLUTE, WRITTEN AUTHORITY OF GOD ANYWHERE ON THIS EARTH.
This is the creed of the Alexandrian Cult.
I guess you missed the line, "BY PETER RUCKMAN" so I highlighted it for you. Either Ruckman is himself an Alexandrian, which undermines your position, or the entire 'creed' is a fabrication from the (very corrupt) mind of Ruckman himself, and therefore has absolutely no value in this discussion.

I'll respond to the rest of your post another time. Clearly you aren't in any hurry.
 

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Having an Alexandrian mindset, Dino, is simply believing that only the original autographs were perfect and inerrant. The Alexandrian philosophy denies that there is a perfect Bible in existence today that we can actually hold in our hands and read it.


Here is a copy of the Creed of the Alexandrian Cult:

THE CREED OF THE ALEXANDRIAN CULT




by Peter Ruckman
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1. There is NO FINAL AUTHORITY but God.


2. Since God is a SPIRIT, there is NO FINAL AUTHORITY that can be seen, heard, read, felt or handled.

3. Since all books are MATERIAL, there is NO BOOK ON THIS EARTH THAT IS THE FINAL AND ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY on what is right and what is wrong; what constitutes TRUTH and what constitutes ERROR.

4. There WAS a series of writings one time which, IF they had all been put into a BOOK as soon as they were written the first time, WOULD HAVE constituted an infallible and final authority by which to judge truth and error.

5. However, this series of writings was LOST, and the God Who inspired them was UNABLE TO PRESERVE THEIR CONTENT through Bible-believing Christians at Antioch (Syria), where the first Bible teachers were (Acts 13:1), and where the first missionary trip originated (Acts 13:1-6), and where the word "CHRISTIAN" originated (Acts 11:26).


6. So, God chose to ALMOST preserve them through Gnostics and philosophers from Alexandria, Egypt, even though God called HIS SON OUT of Egypt (Mat. 2), JACOB OUT of Egypt (Gen. 49), ISRAEL OUT of Egypt (Exod. 15), and JOSEPH'S BONES OUT of Egypt (Exod. 13).

7. So, there are two streams of Bibles: the most accurate - though, of course, there is NO FINAL, ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY FOR DETERMINING TRUTH AND ERROR: it is a matter of "preference" - are the Egyptian translations from Alexandria, Egypt, which are "almost the originals," although NOT QUITE.

8. The most INACCURATE TRANSLATIONS were those that brought about the GERMAN REFORMATION (Luther, Zwingli, Boehler, Zinzendorf, Spener, etc.) and the worldwide MISSIONARY MOVEMENT of the English speaking people: the Bible that Sunday, Torrey, Moody, Finney, Spurgeon, Whitfield, Wesley, and Chapman used.

9. But we can "tolerate" these if those who believe in them will tolerate US. After all, since THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE AND FINAL AUTHORITY THAT ANYONE CAN READ, TEACH, PREACH, OR HANDLE, the whole thing is a matter of "PREFERENCE." You may prefer what you prefer, and we will prefer what WE prefer: let us live in peace, and if we cannot agree on anything or everything, let us all agree on one thing: THERE IS NO FINAL, ABSOLUTE, WRITTEN AUTHORITY OF GOD ANYWHERE ON THIS EARTH.
This is the creed of the Alexandrian Cult.



I reject the Alexandrian philosophy, as I believe that there is a perfect, finished Bible in existence today and it is the King James Bible.





The Translation is Inspired because God preserved the inspiration. Inspiration must carry over into the translation. Hence, the King James Bible, God’s finished Bible is the very inspired word of the living God.





It is not irrelevant at all. It is relevant because when Jesus was reading Isaiah, He was reading a copy of Isaiah, and not the original. Yet though, He was still reading the inspired word of God.





No, it is not irrelevant. You had yet to refute my points.





The NIV and NASB are based on corrupt Greek texts and manuscripts, and they did not source from the Father.


The King James Bible has sourced from the Father and it is living. But the NIV and the NASB are not living.





Inspiration does carry over. Because once again Dino, Timothy did not have the original autographs in his possession. He only had a copy in his hand, yet though, he still had the very inspired word of God in his possession. He had the Scriptures in possession.





How am Ignoring them, when I considered the whole context of Psalm 12???


Throughout that 12th Psalm, David is showing a contrast between God’s pure, faithful and true words vs man’s vain and unfaithful words which are filled which are spoken with flattering lips and a double tongue. And so we cannot ignore the fact that David was also showing this Contrast between God’s pure words and man’s vain words, Dino,





And so you do admit that you believe that there is no perfect and inspired Bible today.


Since this is the case, Dino, then according to your viewpoint, the word of God is not available to us.






What I said about you is correct and accurate because you already admitted that you do not believe that there is a perfect and an inspired translation available to us today.




Well, you are wrong, Dino. There are so many Scriptures that testify that God is One with His holy word. They possess the same attributes, Nature, Character and Power. They are absolutely equal. What is true about God, is also true for His word.





Sure, you have an obligation to do so, if you tell me that I am not rightly judging you concerning your position on this very issue.





You will answer to God though one day and His word, the King James Bible.

We all will one day stand before God and His word, the Holy Scripture. And we will have to give an account unto them.






There you go again, Dino, with your false accusation. I am not a cultist. I believe that you could be saved. It is just you are very messed up regarding this issue, sadly.
^ i am not a cultist.

just do what i say, no questions asked, and if you do ask questions, then you must accept my answers with no further discussions.


nope, nothing cult like about this line of reasoning at all......
 

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The Translation is Inspired because God preserved the inspiration. Inspiration must carry over into the translation. Hence, the King James Bible, God’s finished Bible is the very inspired word of the living God.

By that logic (which is explained in the 1611 Preface to the Reader), the following translations are also the very inspired word of the living God: Geneva, Tyndale, Stephanus, Erasmus (all five, even though they differ), 1769 Blaney, RSV, ASV, NRSV, NASB, NLT, NIV, Jubilee, Rheims-Douay, etc.

It is not irrelevant at all. It is relevant because when Jesus was reading Isaiah, He was reading a copy of Isaiah, and not the original. Yet though, He was still reading the inspired word of God.
True. Jesus recognized that the word of God in a copy was as valid as the autograph. That doesn't add anything to your argument that it doesn't also add to mine.

No, it is not irrelevant. You had yet to refute my points.
Again, it doesn't add anything to your argument that it doesn't also add to mine.

The NIV and NASB are based on corrupt Greek texts and manuscripts, and they did not source from the Father.
Assertion without evidence is worth no more than opinion.

The King James Bible has sourced from the Father and it is living. But the NIV and the NASB are not living.
Utter garbage.

Inspiration does carry over. Because once again Dino, Timothy did not have the original autographs in his possession. He only had a copy in his hand, yet though, he still had the very inspired word of God in his possession. He had the Scriptures in possession.
Already addressed above.

And so you do admit that you believe that there is no perfect and inspired Bible today.
Since this is the case, Dino, then according to your viewpoint, the word of God is not available to us.

I'm not playing your silly game.

What I said about you is correct and accurate because you already admitted that you do not believe that there is a perfect and an inspired translation available to us today.
No, I didn't.

Well, you are wrong, Dino. There are so many Scriptures that testify that God is One with His holy word. They possess the same attributes, Nature, Character and Power. They are absolutely equal. What is true about God, is also true for His word.
Garbage. The word of God is progressive revelation, and was different in 2500 BC than it was in 1000 BC, 400 BC, or 100 AD. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Your position is completely untenable.

Sure, you have an obligation to do so, if you tell me that I am not rightly judging you concerning your position on this very issue.
I don't accept your fallacious burden of proof reversal.

You will answer to God though one day and His word, the King James Bible.
We all will one day stand before God and His word, the Holy Scripture. And we will have to give an account unto them.

No, we will have to give account to God. We will not have to give account to His word the Holy Scripture, because it is not a Person. I certainly won't have to give account to the KJV; if I did, then everyone who lived prior to its completion would have to, and every person who doesn't even read English would have to as well, which together are more than adequate to prove the utter stupidity of your assertion.

There you go again, Dino, with your false accusation. I am not a cultist. I believe that you could be saved. It is just you are very messed up regarding this issue, sadly.
Blah blah blah. If you're going to take the time to write, write something worth reading.
 

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How am Ignoring them, when I considered the whole context of Psalm 12???

Throughout that 12th Psalm, David is showing a contrast between God’s pure, faithful and true words vs man’s vain and unfaithful words which are filled which are spoken with flattering lips and a double tongue. And so we cannot ignore the fact that David was also showing this Contrast between God’s pure words and man’s vain words, Dino,
Seriously, you just don't get it. David wrote the words, "from this generation" meaning that God has preserved (something) FROM THIS GENERATION (whether that something is the word of God or not is actually beside the point).

PRESERVED FROM THIS GENERATION.

That means something very different than "preserved for all generations", which is what you imply it means. You cannot make a rational case that Psalm 12 supports the idea that God has preserved His word for all time. The text simply doesn't say that, and no amount of bleating, whining, or bad argumentation from deluded KJV worshipers is going to change that. By continually ignoring those three words, you undermine your own case.
 

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I guess you missed the line, "BY PETER RUCKMAN" so I highlighted it for you. Either Ruckman is himself an Alexandrian, which undermines your position, or the entire 'creed' is a fabrication from the (very corrupt) mind of Ruckman himself, and therefore has absolutely no value in this discussion.

I'll respond to the rest of your post another time. Clearly you aren't in any hurry.
Dino, Dr. Peter S. Ruckman was spot on, when he described what the Alexandrian Cult's creed was exactly. An Alexandrian is simply a person who is his own final authority, since he believes that no Bible in existence today is the perfect, infallible and inerrant word of God.
 

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^ i am not a cultist.

just do what i say, no questions asked, and if you do ask questions, then you must accept my answers with no further discussions.


nope, nothing cult like about this line of reasoning at all......

I am not afraid of someone asking me questions, gb9. I am all for discussion as long as it is civil.
 

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By that logic (which is explained in the 1611 Preface to the Reader), the following translations are also the very inspired word of the living God: Geneva, Tyndale, Stephanus, Erasmus (all five, even though they differ), 1769 Blaney, RSV, ASV, NRSV, NASB, NLT, NIV, Jubilee, Rheims-Douay, etc.


Well, I would agree that the Geneva Bible, Tyndale, are also inspited. But not the NIV, ASV, NLT, and all the other modern translations which you named, since the modern translations are not translated from the right Greek texts.



True. Jesus recognized that the word of God in a copy was as valid as the autograph. That doesn't add anything to your argument that it doesn't also add to mine.


Sure, it validates my position. Because I have been defending that a translation can be inspired all along.



Again, it doesn't add anything to your argument that it doesn't also add to mine.


But you do not believe that any Bible today is the inerrant word of God. That is your position, correct??